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  • msncdso Jan 8, 2013

    Sometimes rules do sound unreasonable but this one makes a lot of sense.

    This thing effects others owner's property values.

  • superman Jan 7, 2013

    Looks like the stairs cover her entire back yard. Would hate to climb all those steps a couple times a day. She should have spent less on the stairs and had someone to do some yard work and plant some grass. Tear down the steps.

  • mac240 Jan 7, 2013

    Tear it down! If you want to do crazy things to your house, don't move into a neighborhood!

  • cbrandonwilliamson Jan 7, 2013

    That is an ugly stair case.

  • ckblackm Jan 4, 2013

    some of the new laws require any group of homes built above a certain number, have to have covenants.

    That is not true.
    btneast

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    That "new law" was enacted in 1999... not exactly new.

  • deanm56 Jan 4, 2013

    I think her neighbors should thank the HOA for doing it's due diligence. The larger and more pressing concern would be an adult care facility operating in a residential area. Not sure about the state laws concerning this, but as a homeowner I don't want to come home to a business next door and I'm sure many of her neighbors feel the same way. Is she even allowed to run a business from the home ?

  • mkereardon07 Jan 4, 2013

    When are these disgusting HOA things going to go away?
    They are clearly the most dangerous threat to our property values bar none.
    The most manipulative, unethical and even sociopathic personalities are drawn to postions of power in these things like flys to garbage.
    There are no election laws, open meeting laws or chain of custody of ballot laws that apply to HOAs.
    They are like cheap carnival con games, and homeowners are refusing to play.
    How many homeowners show up to these rigged meetings in your community?
    None in mine! We refuse to dignify this corrupt little tin pot governance.

  • btneast Jan 3, 2013

    some of the new laws require any group of homes built above a certain number, have to have covenants.

    That is not true.

  • Not_Time_Yet Jan 3, 2013

    Sounds like the resident was trying to sneak around the HOA rules. Still that set of stairs is horrible, it could have been designed as a multi-level deck with steps parallel to the house and doubtful anyone would have complained.

    That being said many of the HOA rules when carefully read actually say things like "should" rather than "must" or "will" and have "guidelines" rather than "requirements".

  • itsmyownopinion Jan 3, 2013

    Oh, good grief, there's nothing down Buffalo Road to get this excited about. We're not talking multimillion dollar homes here.

  • superman Jan 3, 2013

    If you dont investigate and do your homework--its on you. Dont do the deal and then complain you didnt know. Read the contracts and the paperwork. You buying the most expensive item you will ever purchase and you dont read the papers? You deserve what you get yourself into.

  • Dan Cooper Jan 2, 2013

    rachel,
    City ordinances prohibit cars on lawns, etc., historical districts require approval of paint colors and tree types planted, etc.

    Alphabaker,
    Probably b/c the add'l HOA costs might eliminate you from qualifying, but really if they're not mentioned even in an ad the broker could lose their license so look closer, they're a selling point for some potential buyers but not others.

  • rachel Jan 2, 2013

    Not all states have homeowners associations-so its not a great surprise that with all the paperwork you get at closing, you may get a fat bunch which is the covenants- I know thats how I got mine and never having heard of HOA's-it never occurred to me that I, as the home owner, had the least amount of say over my property. Besides, it is not that easy to just go move where there isn't a HOA-some of the new laws require any group of homes built above a certain number, have to have covenants. I can deal with keeping the area nice, paying dues for the upkeep of common areas etc-what I could not deal with was the people who walked the neighborhood in packs, taking notes, to see if your trash can was out of place or if you had planted a tree and didn't get permission. And heaven help you if you buy a house without a garage, a single driveway and have two cars-if you park one in front of your own home-someone will be out there measuring the distance from the tire to the curb and fine you.

  • alphabaker Jan 2, 2013

    It's funny that if hoas are all that great why do realtors barely mention them nor do you see them mentioned at all in real estate advertising!

  • alphabaker Jan 2, 2013

    HOAs were created by and for lawyers ! They are anti-thetical to the culture here! Won't live in one and discourage all to buy into one!

  • Lamborghini Mercy Jan 2, 2013

    Perhaps people should learn to read and review their HOA contract before investing in the Home.

  • Dan Cooper Jan 2, 2013

    "I moved here from NY and never had heard or experienced HOA."

    Buyer beware and read what you sign or don't they teach that in NY?

  • mmtlash Jan 2, 2013

    You couldn't pay me to live in a place with a HOA... it's my property, if I want to plant a rose bush in the front yard I shouldn't have to go through an approval process!

  • miketroll3572 Jan 2, 2013

    @Research9- I do REGRET buying a house that runs with HOA. I moved here from NY and never had heard or experienced HOA. If I knew how they were, I would never had moved into the neighborhood. The covenants don't state that they are going to be snooping around and criticizing everything you do to the exterior of your home. I'm not complaining, I'm stating REALITY and the TRUTH. I don't know what your neighborhood HOA does and I don't care what you have to say. You probably work for HOA and are trying to defend the useless organization. The meetings are a joke; the HOA reps just try to act smart and are blinded by money gaining efforts. So, just because your neighborhood seems to have it right, don't expect that, that is the case for everyone else. When you encounter a problem with HOA after spending several dollars, then you'll understand.

    Mabey if you had enough common sense to do some research before you moved in you wouldn't be so bitter which is all your own fault.

  • NWD Jan 2, 2013

    This definitely seems like a case of NIMBY ("not in MY backyard!"). The HOA - and the neighbors, I'm sure - probably aren't keen on her opening a group home in the neighborhood. This is how they're trying to prevent it.

  • miketroll3572 Jan 2, 2013

    What a lot of people here seem to fail to understand is that the hoa rules can be changed and you are forced to abide by them OR THEY TAKE your home. So you may agree to the rules now, but a year from now they are completely different. And they are run by people that have nothing better to do than poke their. OSS where it doesn't belong. If they don't like you they will make your life miserable because they can.

    Nobody force you to live in a development with a HOA.

  • ltbarkley Jan 2, 2013

    What a lot of people here seem to fail to understand is that the hoa rules can be changed and you are forced to abide by them OR THEY TAKE your home. So you may agree to the rules now, but a year from now they are completely different. And they are run by people that have nothing better to do than poke their. OSS where it doesn't belong. If they don't like you they will make your life miserable because they can.

  • corgimom06 Jan 2, 2013

    btpearce and Sleepy D-so are you saying this woman has no responsiblity to abide by the covenants? She made a free choice to buy the house in an HOA. But some think HOAs are unfair or evil she shouldn't have to live by the agreement she made? Yes, there are some HOAs that are over-bearing HOWEVER the great majority of them exist to protect your property value and do a good job of it. This lady did something she knew was against the covenants of her HOA and therefore she is in the wrong. If she didn't want to deal with an HOA then she should not have purchased a home in a neighborhood with an HOA.

  • btpearce Jan 2, 2013

    Baaa HumBugg who do these people think they are moving into a neighborhood and buying property and building what they want to on their property. How dare she do that.

  • Sleepy D Jan 2, 2013

    I am absolutely not interested in what this woman did. It really doesn't matter. Let's get real. Had she told the crooks at her HOA what she was planning, they would have turned her down. HOA's are PURE EVIL, existing simply for nosy neighbors and people who have nothing better to do than exercise some power over others. The state of North Carolina says you can hang a flag, DESPITE what some restrictive covenants say. What does that tell you? That these HOA's are simply power hungry organizations that serve very little purpose. People next door or nearby are upset because they can't sell their house because of stairs? Wah. DOWN WITH HOA's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Dan Cooper Jan 2, 2013

    Looks like she got caught in her attempt to scam the city, state, taxpayers, neighbors & HOA...hope the deck builder got paid!

  • corgimom06 Jan 2, 2013

    If you choose to buy a home in a neighborhood with an HOA, then you are obligated to abide by the rules. If you don't want to live within the CCRs then don't buy a house in an neighborhood with an HOA. It's not rocket science. That staircase looks awful and I know I wouldn't want to live beside it. I have no sympathy for this lady.

  • RaleighMan Jan 2, 2013

    "Last I checked we are a Democracy."

    Since when? The US of A is a REPUBLIC, not a democracy. Did anybody pay attention in poli-sci?

  • Lamborghini Mercy Jan 2, 2013

    sheena866 - The covenants don't state that they are going to be snooping around and criticizing everything you do to the exterior of your home. I'm not complaining, I'm stating REALITY and the TRUTH.

    Just curious for the name of this HOA community you speak of. I honestly can't see any HOA By laws not mentioning their ability to enter your yard when necessary. If your telling the "truth" just give the name, I'll do my own research from their.

  • Terkel Jan 2, 2013

    "so does the department of inspections have a signed approval from the HOA on file with the building permit? no..hum..maybe they should have done there job." dk

    So it's not the inspector's job to figure out whether the owner followed the rules. So that's on the owner. So this has been played out again and again.

  • Terkel Jan 2, 2013

    How many poor children would those thousands of dollars fed?

  • sheena866 Jan 2, 2013

    @exposure102- Nobody's got time for that. I'm from NY and when I tell my friends and family up there, they just laugh and say, "well those people just have a lot of time on their hands." Seriously though, I'm just stating what's true. I REGRET moving into a neighborhood that is associated with HOA. I would run but I truly don't have the time. However, I don't think an organization should be running, if it is not running properly and that is the case with HOA.

  • sheena866 Jan 2, 2013

    @Research9- I do REGRET buying a house that runs with HOA. I moved here from NY and never had heard or experienced HOA. If I knew how they were, I would never had moved into the neighborhood. The covenants don't state that they are going to be snooping around and criticizing everything you do to the exterior of your home. I'm not complaining, I'm stating REALITY and the TRUTH. I don't know what your neighborhood HOA does and I don't care what you have to say. You probably work for HOA and are trying to defend the useless organization. The meetings are a joke; the HOA reps just try to act smart and are blinded by money gaining efforts. So, just because your neighborhood seems to have it right, don't expect that, that is the case for everyone else. When you encounter a problem with HOA after spending several dollars, then you'll understand.

  • GravyPig Jan 2, 2013

    "clearly this deck is too big for that yard and is within plain view of neighbors."

    A deck they would probably be OK with. That is clearly just stairs with two landings. This is the problem with houses being so close together and all the trees have been stripped away. HOA aside, I wouldn't buy into a neighborhood like that either way.

  • GravyPig Jan 2, 2013

    "We are supposed to be a democracy, let me do what I want on my property."

    Last I checked we are a Democracy. This does not extend to HOA rules.

  • GravyPig Jan 2, 2013

    "People, read your contracts. You're not just buying a house, you're buying IN to a neighborhood agreement. This is the city, you can't just do what you want any more."

    "While HOA's can be a pain in the back side the rules are usually very clear and if you don't want to abide by the rules then don't move into a community with rules. I hear people complain about and bash homeowners associations but no one is forcing people to purchase houses in those communities. Either live with it or don't buy there."

    Yep yep. I wonder what people think a HOA is for.

  • GravyPig Jan 2, 2013

    "HOA's are an evil institution that infringe on an individual's property rights and should be banned."

    Or you can buy a home in a neighborhood that doesn't have a HOA.

  • GravyPig Jan 2, 2013

    "The City deems them safe, up to code, and properly permitted, I don't see the issue. Maybe the HOA should go after some veteran with a flag in their front yard instead."

    Or maybe they should follow the proper channels for getting things approved. That IS the issue.

    This is the specific reason I didn't buy in a neighborhood with a HOA.

  • crowemag Jan 2, 2013

    When I bought my house i asked the KB Homes sales person about having an enclosed trailer on my property and was told"oh they aren't real strict here, you can park it on your property". Now this is a person who has access to thsoe covenants and could have been more truthful, and I did not receive a copy until I had to give a check for the deposit. After the fact the HOA was all up on me for having it parked in my own driveway...no signage on side, brand new and clean. Others in the neighborhood were allowed to park their bread trucks, work vans, etc... Next time I buy a house it will have plenty of space between neighbors and definately no HOA

  • superman Jan 2, 2013

    The staircase is definitely an eye sore. Maybe she plans to rent the second floor. The houses look very close together and you cant help but look at it. If she knew to get a building permit she knew that she should have gotten it approved by the HOA. I wouldnt want her living next door to me. Some people just dont think the rules apply to them.

  • research9 Jan 2, 2013

    Sheena - next time don't live in an HOA community. Or read the covenants before you move in. Or attend the meetings to change the covenents. Complaining on a message board won't fix your situation. My HOA has done a good job of handling neighborhood security, maintenance, and repairs. I receive a budget every year and am invited to the meetings. Before I purchased my house I read the covenants to make sure there was nothing too crazy in there to dissuade me from buying the house.

  • schooldoctor Jan 2, 2013

    Some HOA's probably abuse their authority just like some people in all segments of society abuse things. As a general rule HOA's prevent short sighted people from doing stupid things that devalue the property of everyone. Please be reminded that there are plenty of neighborhoods that do not have HOA so don't buy a house. Those that complain should know what they signed up for, go buy a farm.

  • exposure102 Jan 2, 2013

    "I signed up for WRAL only to comment on this post, since HOA is such a SCAM. -sheena866"

    Sheena - Your HOA should provide you with a yearly budget at the end of every fiscal year regarding the money and where it goes. If you do not receive a copy, request one, it's your right. Also, HOAs only work if all the residents participate. Run for the next open office, walk the pavement in your neighborhood and get residents to vote for you in the open-election. Contact the board and ask when their next community-wide meeting is and try to get a 75% participation rate instead of a 15% turnout that a lot of communitues have. HOAs are only run by a few people because the majority is "too busy" to participate when the time comes.

  • westernwake1 Jan 2, 2013

    "I am on the board of our HOA. Unpaid. Volunteer. MY OWN TIME. Many of you that are complaining don't know the behind the scenes activities of your board." - fishon

    I can only agree that being on a HOA board is a thankless task. I was appointed to fill an unexpired HOA seat of someone who moved away and was placed on the architecture committee in our previous sub-division. This service gave me a pretty good idea of what goes on in an HOA, as well as all the wild complaints and crazy requests that boards get from homeowners. Let' me say that I made sure not to run for election after the term expired.

  • sheena866 Jan 2, 2013

    Honestly, the HOA in my neighborhood does absolutely NOTHING, except STALK the residents. I pay about $1600 a year in HOA fees and they do not even keep my subdivision lights on at night. I think the members of HOA are cheating with the money and keeping it for themselves. In the article, HOA representative mentioned that, "it is not is not the case of a homeowner building a flower garden or porch swing without approval," (Ganley) however HOA has forced me to make changes to my flower garden. HOA ridicules you for anything no matter what. The members in my neighborhood that are part of HOA have weeds in their lawn and are always making renovations, yet the HOA doesn't bother them since they are part of it. HOA is the true representation of HYPOCRISY. Let the people do what they want. Those of you who are thanking the HOA for not having a green house beside you, you need to remember that it is not your house. I signed up for WRAL only to comment on this post, since HOA is such a SCAM.

  • PetulantHarbinger Jan 2, 2013

    I like pink houses. They're cute.

  • Z Man Jan 2, 2013

    At the entrance to our cul-de-sac lived the lawn ornament queen. Luckily her and her husband moved a few years back.

  • lrakydarb2 Jan 2, 2013

    People in Nazi Germany had more freedom than anyone in an HOA.

  • josephwilm Jan 2, 2013

    It is against state law to house disabled people on the second floor of a wood structure.

  • nighttrain2010 Jan 2, 2013

    Unfortunately I live in neighborhood run by a HOA. I pay dues every year and nothing is ever done. Mysteriously there's a community building that hardly anyone uses that receives an inordinate amount of money every year for renovation. Enough that the building has to be paid off 10 times over by now. Is it a scam? After talking with a few neighbors in this large neighborhood, most likely.

    On the flip side however no one ever contacts us, and most of the 'rules' are ignored as far as I can tell. Still will be selling the house and moving even further into the country. After living with one, even as inept as this one is, I don't like the ideas of HOAs.

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