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  • charmcclainlovesdogs2 Jan 3, 2013

    He used his retired authority in the wrong way. Now he should face the music like the average citizen. He should absolutely be charged on all accounts and face his dire consequences. HE IS CERTAINLY NOT ABOVE ANY LAW IN THE UNITED STATES.

  • HeelHater Jan 3, 2013

    Until anybody actually goes on a bear hunt with dogs I wouldn't make comments about dog hunting. The guns stay in the truck until the dogs get the bear stopped, (bayed or treed). Then a bear hunter goes to the bear usually very deep in the thickest part of the woods, sometimes crawling down the actual paths made by bear and other game. This journey usually is never close to the trucks. There is over 33k acres of game land in Bladen County, that's plenty of room to hunt with dogs or still hunt. Both types of hunting done by tax payers that both have the right to enjoy the game lands. If you buy a couple acres adjoining this game land expect an occasional hunt dog on your property. There are plenty of laws on hunting and trespassing and if you think any of these laws are being ignored than call the game warden or sheriffs dept. Don't take the law into your own hands and approach somebody on a public road with a concealed weapon and the intent of confrontation.

  • randomletters27 Jan 3, 2013

    Self-defense seems unlikely when you arrived with a gun. No offense to the victims, I happen to know them and they're good folks, but they're also BIG folks...if you needed to defend yourself you could run away from them at a slow jog. Shooting them wouldn't be necessary...

    Also, once you've got a drawn gun you intend to kill someone. I would think the guys WITHOUT drawn guns needed to act in self defense, not the other way around...

    But I wasn't there, so I'll let the authorities sort it out. Which probably would have been a better option than shooting two people from the start...

  • HeelHater Jan 2, 2013

    Sounds like the landowner left his property and confronted the victims on a public road instead of letting the sheriff do it and then shot them after the conversation that he initiated didn't go his way. Fact: it happened on a public road, not on private property.

  • Paladin2 Jan 2, 2013

    It sounds like the so-called victims were assaulting the landowner and attempting to wrestle a gun from him. Sounds like self-defense to me.

  • elyhim2 Dec 31, 2012

    So if no charges are filed I'll use this as precedent when I confront the homeless people living behind my property? I can shoot them? All I have to do is maintain they have been a problem for years (check), have been told to vacate land that does not belong to me (check). Cite them as breaking some obscure law (check! illegal camping etc..)

  • elyhim2 Dec 31, 2012

    Regardless of whether they live in the county or not or you told them to move along. These people were shot on a public road. If they were breaking a law they should have been confronted by the police not someone who is obviously not thinking clearly.

  • elyhim2 Dec 31, 2012

    Why isn't this guy being charged? Trespassing, physical altercation, all that aside he shot someone plain and simple. Charge him and send it to the judge.

  • technetium9 Dec 31, 2012

    you cannot use deadly force to protect property from trespassers. cowboy ex trooper needs to be put down, he created the confrontation.

  • technetium9 Dec 31, 2012

    Are you sure these are the people we want guarding our schools? bang bang freeze don't move.

  • leeloo67 Dec 28, 2012

    Lots of this going on in rural areas where "hunters" don't have land to hunt on. They use dogs to flush out animals - sometimes shooting deer, etc from the side of the road. If the landowner spots the dogs and confronts the owners, they just say "oh well the dogs got loose, whaddayagonnado?"

  • Mustange Dec 28, 2012

    Yes dog hunting needs to go. I use to dog hunt but that was over 20 years ago when you still had woods to hunt in. Dog hunting is so dangerous now and it scares the mess out of me to come down a highway with hunters lined up to get a chance to shoot at a running deer knowing if he runs out into the highway those buck shot will wrap up the highway. The woods now days have been logged to death and its safer to climb a stand and hunt from their than to chase a deer for a pop shot .Also we need the deer hunters to help keep over populated deer in check but the day of the dog hunting is slowly coming to a close, sorry guys but if you climb a stand to hunt you will have better and bigger deer and much safer hunts as well.

  • topfan4unc Dec 28, 2012

    Known Herb for several years. Seems like the witness was probably along with the dog hunters in the area. He is not a hot head. However, will reserve judgement on all of it until the DA report comes out.

  • sdrawkcab Dec 28, 2012


    I don't think the retired Lieutenant has to worry. Like you said " a lot of info missing" that hasn't been released. Herb is a very smart man. When I passed the scene that day I pretty much knew what happened before I heard the details. He'll be just fine. Wait and see. Not because he is an ex officer but because he is smart.

  • sdrawkcab Dec 28, 2012

    Actually there are a couple more local laws that apply where this incident took place.

    *Hunt any game from a public road adjoining posted land without having in possession written permission of the owner or lessee. 

    *Hunt, take or kill any bird or animal or to attempt to hunt, take or kill any bird or animal on property adjacent to Bladen Lakes State Forest without written permission of the owner or lessee

    Bladen County Commissioners need to wake up and do something. When the NC Wildlife has public input meetings the majority of the hunters that are in favor of hunting with dogs are from surrounding counties that come to Bladen to hunt. The Bladen Commissioners need to look at hunting with dog laws in other counties.

  • kermit60 Dec 28, 2012

    Way to much information missing here to make any kind of judgement. Exactly who owned the land where the incident took place? Did he actually get out with gun in hand? Were the hunters really unarmed? I do know that the NC law is very clear in that you can not use deadly force to remove trespassers. Based ooff the little information in the story it sounds like the ex trooper better get a good lawyer.

  • sdrawkcab Dec 28, 2012

    "Says the guns were in their truck. Doesn't say where the truck was"

    The shooting occurred approx. 10 feet or less from bear hunters truck. I know because I passed by the scene minutes after the shooting. Also I can tell you the family has had problems for years with these renegade dog hunters.(and they had been told twice this day to move on) Most of the time you will find that the trespassers don't live or pay taxes in the county they are trespassing in.

    This happened along a highway right of way, not off in the middle of the woods.
    Bladen County local law from wildlife reg. digest.......

     Hunt, take or kill any bird or animal or attempt to hunt, take or kill any bird or animal on, from or across the right-of-way of any public road adjacent to property adjacent to Bladen Lakes State Forest without written permission of the owner or lessee

  • Relic Dec 28, 2012

    wildpig777 - While I also "still" hunt for deer there are many clubs that use hounds in my area. They use tracking technology to be able to keep up with where the dogs are and to avoid them going on property on which they're not welcome. However, I will agree that there are many hunters that use hounds that think that because a dog can't tell where a property line is they have "imminent domain" anywhere the want. I'm not totally anti-dog but I am a proponent of "eat what you take and leave nothing behind" when in the woods.

  • Relic Dec 28, 2012

    I am not condoning the actions of the armed civilian (the fact that he's a RETIRED State Trooper has no bearing on the right or wrong of shooting) because there's not enough information there. However, I can say that so many people that use hounds to hunt deer, fox, bear, etc. completely disregard the rights of landowners that don't want any hunting on their property. In agricultural areas dogs can tear up a plowed field, disturb cattle and hunters shooting at moving animals can accidentally wound livestock. Landowners end up getting very frustrated and angry and there's no law against yelling "obscenities" against others on property that you own or are responsible for. Just because a person is not armed does not mean that they don't pose a threat, especially when it's two on one. If the armed civilian fired on state land, the case should go before a grand jury. If he was on his families land and cause for fear of injury exists then I hope the two hunters have insurance.

  • justcommonsense Dec 28, 2012

    There is most definitely information missing here. As to the "witness"... are out in the woods and you know exactly where property lines are, especially when using dogs that go where their noses lead regardless of any signs.

    I remember well an encounter with hunters 10 years ago when I first bought my property. Nothing like being awakened to gunfire bright and early on a Saturday morning very close to your home. Look out and there's an armed man standing at the edge of your pond. When I went out to tell him he/they couldn't hunt there (signs posted) he had the nerve to ask "what you going to do about it? We been hunting this land for years." Then from the woods side of pond comes 4 more armed men. Called the law and fence went up within 30 days around the whole property.

  • carolinaprincess62 Dec 28, 2012

    I highly doubt any real bear hunter had left their gun in the truck. Have you ever seen what a bear can do to a person? Were these men baiting bears by any chance? I'm not defending the trooper for shooting two men by any means, I'm just doubting the hunters' side of the story.

  • nashe1127 Dec 28, 2012

    Amen Mustange.... I love when they lease 20 acres and think that is enough land to hunt with dogs, they always end up on the wrong side of the property line trying to "catch" (read: hunting)the dogs.

  • GravyPig Dec 28, 2012

    "Says the guns were in their truck. Probably just a few yards away.


    Says the guns were in their truck. Doesn't say where the truck was.

  • wildpig777 Dec 28, 2012

    lease land club members think they have the right to shoot other hunters dogs if they cross onto thier kingdom, and hunters that run dogs think they have the right to do as they please.

    FOR THE RECORD: deer hunters and espcially those that run dogs and 95% OF EM DO IN THE COASTAL COUNTIES have ruined, absolutley destroyed hunting for all the rest of us hunters. MOST HUNTERS USING DAWGS have zero respect for anyone else in the woods- that same thing applies to members of cubs that have leashed land.

    in this case at first glance it would appear that the father/son team are trespassing and you have a retired trooper just ready to bust a cap to prove his point. both real fine examples of how hunters-- some of the finest citizens on earth --have descended to this kind of non sense. thanks boys-- this from a REAL HUNTER-- A BOW HUNTER FROM A MOBILE TREE STAND.

  • TheDude abides... Dec 28, 2012

    Says the guns were in their truck. Probably just a few yards away.


  • joe17 Dec 28, 2012

    Wouldn't the title be better it it said, "Retired trooper accused of shooting a father and son in trespassing dispute?"

  • airbornemonty Dec 28, 2012

    You are correct, the story about the two unarmed men running dogs to track bears just seems a little odd to me.

    If I was in any place where there might be bears in the area I would be armed to the teeth. So after reading the story and if it sounded suspicious to me, I would say, yeah, it sure does!

  • noonespecial2 Dec 28, 2012

    His wife was verbally attacked and he was physically attacked and was defending himself. He is not a bad guy with a gun, they are good people and a good family.

  • dumbhick Dec 28, 2012

    Just remember that a guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun until he's proven to be a bad guy with a gun.

  • Mustange Dec 27, 2012

    Theres more to this story than whats being told, it will come out. These where the best bear hunters. I have always liked those hunters who hunt on property that borders private property, especially the ones that wait to hunt on your land during the week while your working. Dog hunting should be banned! Dogs cant read signs. Dogs run deer out into on coming traffic leaving you to have your vehicle repaired. Climb a tree and hunt ! Trucks parked all over the highways some off the the road some half on. How many other states use dogs to run deer not many i bet.

  • limitguvment Dec 27, 2012

    Herb was a good trooper in Harnett County for years. The whole story is not being told here.

  • NCHighlander Dec 27, 2012

    Ban bear hunting. That should fix this.

  • monami Dec 27, 2012

    Guess a retired state trooper doesn't qualify as "a good guy with a gun" unless there is something being left out of this story. Shooting 2 unarmed guys with a handgun? Sounds like a "bad guy with a gun" to me.

  • stormtrooper76 Dec 27, 2012

    This should be interesting.......

    Let the LEO flaming begin.......

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