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chattycat Dec 28, 9:56 a.m.
That is very funny. You will soon see that you have gone from the frying pan to the fire. You will wish that governor Perdue was back in office. I plan on spending a lot of time laughing over the situation. piene2
Laugh all you want, no one else is laughing. Her record is certainly nothing to laugh at and not at all comical. McCrory can do just about anything he wants and will have more support than Bev!
birkie74693 Dec 27, 7:40 p.m.
Somebody says: "I think it's a case of they weren't proven guilty but they weren't declared innocent either."
WRONG. If you are not proven guilty, you are NOT GUILTY. That's how our American system has worked for over 200 years. And the appeals court overturned the convictions; thus, the defendants are NOT GUILTY. This should NOT be difficult to understand, people.
Mustange Dec 27, 6:13 p.m.
Best thing to do is leave this alone Bev. its a no win deal !!!!!!!
Bartmeister Dec 27, 5:31 p.m.
I can't imagine that even Perdue would associate her name with this case. But none of us thought she could screw things up like she did either. Stay tuned, this is gonna get squirley!!
Bartmeister Dec 27, 5:28 p.m.
I plan on spending a lot of time laughing over the situation. piene2
Just like most of us with your posts.
Relic Dec 27, 5:01 p.m.
"I think it's a case of they weren't proven guilty but they weren't declared innocent either."
Legally and logically, that's impossible. If not guilty then they must be presumed innocent. A person can only be "proven" innocent by either 1) Showing that they could not possibly have committed a crime or 2) Proving the guilt of another for the crime. If their court cases were overturned and the judgements vacated and they were not re-tried then legally they are "innocent". A pardon does not make one "innocent", it only forgives any wrong done whether known or unknown.
Relic Dec 27, 4:58 p.m.
Kristen168 - You have valid points but equally unidentified and unprosecuted were many of the whites and Klan members that participated in one of the most awful acts of the post-Civil War era, the Wilmington Insurrection of 1898 (which was led by Democrats...imagine that?)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilmington_Insurrection_of_1898 These people too, had to answer to a higher court. However, two wrongs have never made a right and still don't.
tatermommy52 Dec 27, 4:55 p.m.
I smell money.
ConservativeVoter Dec 27, 4:50 p.m.
Bev is inept and incapable of making this decision. Wait for McCrory to make a fair and balanced decision.
Relic Dec 27, 4:50 p.m.
"You will wish that governor Perdue was back in office. I plan on spending a lot of time laughing over the situation."
McCrory can do anything short of a felony in office and I will still be glad to see Bev Perdue gone. She has the distinction of being the absolute WORST governor ever to sit in the seat in Raleigh. If McCrory can even APPROACH the level of incompetence of both Purdue and her staff then it will be amazing. Quite frankly any animal control officer in any county in NC could have done a better job than Bev Purdue.
Kristen168 Dec 27, 4:06 p.m.
Somebody knows who set fires across the city of Wilmington, the New Hanover County Schools Administration building and several others went up in flames at night. Wilmington citizens were terrorized for 9 months and longer, leaving one man shot dead driving through a neighborhood in broad daylight and two unarmed Pinkerton men shot dead the halls of Williston Junior High School which was the epicenter of rioting which occurred throughout the 1970-71 school year. No one has ever been brought to justice for these deaths. Innocence in life can be claimed and people may believe it, even forgive, but "Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord", to whom somebodies will have to answer to in the hereafter.
disgusted2010 Dec 27, 4:02 p.m.
Who is going to pardon Bev Perdue ?
Better question is when is someone going to do their job and investigate and prosecute her for her crimes?
piene2 Dec 27, 3:57 p.m.
"Who is going to pardon Bev Perdue ?
That is very funny. You will soon see that you have gone from the frying pan to the fire. You will wish that governor Perdue was back in office. I plan on spending a lot of time laughing over the situation.
smcallah Dec 27, 2:33 p.m.
"NO PARDON for the Wilmington 10! Alleged "perjury and prosecutorial misconduct" make them no less guilty of the racially motivated crime they committed."
Really? Witnesses lying and then recanting their testimony that showed these people were guilty is good enough for you?
I sincerely hope you are never charged with something and go to prison because someone decided to lie about what you did and you had no way to prove otherwise. But with your attitude, I think you will only understand the problem here if it happens to you or a family member first hand.
sunneyone2 Dec 27, 2:16 p.m.
This case was a complete miscarriage of justice. These folks deserve to be pardoned.
JohnnyVoodoo Dec 27, 2:12 p.m.
Does it appear that Barber is trying to use the Wilmington 10 issue as a deflection of the Wilmington 3 issue?
birkie74693 Dec 27, 2:04 p.m.
All the people shouting that the defendants were guilty: NO. They weren't. In 1980, the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals, a federal court, overturned the convictions, as it determined that (1) the prosecutor failed to disclose exculpatory evidence, in violation of the defendants' due process rights; and (2) the trial judge erred by limiting the cross-examination of key prosecution witnesses about special treatment the witnesses received in connection with their testimony, in violation of the defendants' 6th Amendment right to confront the witnesses against them. Chavis v. State of North Carolina, 637 F.2d 213 (4th Cir. 1980) "Overturned"--that means the convictions were NOT valid and do not stand. Simple enough for you?
peppercorns Dec 27, 1:47 p.m.
I will try again since my first post didn't pass muster.....
If the race card is reason to let a criminal off , why can't it be used by the lawyer to get a conviction? BOTH should be illegal!
delta29alpha Dec 27, 1:36 p.m.
This type of thing goes on all the time in jury selection. It's called voir dire. and both the prosecution and defense question potential jurors and try to choose jurors that they think might be sympathetic with their side and disqualify those whom they think might be partial to the other side. They also have whats called peremptory challenges where they can disqualify a potential juror without having to state why. It's called trying to stack the deck in your favor and done by both sides all the time. In the end though the resulting jury has to be approved. That's why in some cases jury selection has taken weeks and spent multiple jury pools.
wasone Dec 27, 1:31 p.m.
Since WRAL removed my first post let me rephrase it,Maybe the should review this trial and while they're doing that let's review the trial of James Earl Ray also.
penny for your thoughts Dec 27, 1:29 p.m.
They are not asking for pardons because they are claiming innocence. Just that the trial wasn't done right. I say let this one slide....
Raleigh Boys Dec 27, 12:03 p.m.
Is there a place that shows when a person has been pardoned, or is it kept secret?
paultaylorsr100 Dec 27, 11:34 a.m.
Sign'em all before you leave Bev. Make that your legacy, not Dorothy Dix.
kikinc Dec 27, 11:30 a.m.
Relic-I agree with you about the political posturing. It is pretty pathetic on account of all parties.
disgusted2010 Dec 27, 11:26 a.m.
If Perdue does this it will cost the state a great deal of money, so it should come from her retirement check. She did not earn it and does not need it.
Relic Dec 27, 11:15 a.m.
"The courts did not rule that they were innocent - they only questioned the proceedings. There is no proof that any of these people were innocent."
It is not the purpose of the US Justice system to prove a person innocent. If a person is not rightly found guilty then they are presumed innocent. A "pardon" is still not a finding of innocence by it's very definition. It is only a means that the persons tried can seek financial recompensation from the State and for the NAACP to flex it's muscle and remind everyone of all the mire and sins of the past rather than trying to build a future or improve the present for the current generation of persons of color.
Terkel Dec 27, 11:08 a.m.
Prosecute the attorney who did wrong, but don't pardon the criminals who burned the store.
Oh, but this is the same Gov who's punishing taxpayers because some poor women's families consented to have them sterilized.
We need a statute of limitations on this nonsense. If the wrong done is that grievous, why did they wait so long to act on it?
Relic Dec 27, 11:04 a.m.
"Do a little research on this case. What I've read has pretty much disgusted me."
Agreed. But the NAACP's actions in going to a hypocritical, one-term governor that was such a massive failure that her own party abandoned her in her last months and asking for this pardon and now Purdue dragging this process out instead of going ahead and doing it if it's "right" still is political posturing and bullying behind the mask of "justice".
westernwake1 Dec 27, 11:00 a.m.
"Those of you who are saying that they are guilty b/c they were convicted by a jury of their peers really need to research this case..." - kikinc
I can only echo what kikinc has stated. I would urge everyone to read the details of this case. The entire prosecution was fabricated and made a mockery of our legal system. The lead prosecutor has spent time in prison recently for all of his other crimes. It is time to look beyond race and focus on justice. Add your voice to the change.org petition to right this wrong. -
Relic Dec 27, 10:58 a.m.
"there are so many people who think that the people in charge of enforcing the law actually ALWAYS do their jobs" Not true. More cases in courts today have to do more with trying the officers and the witnesses more so than the defendant
"BUT they do get by with framing, tricking or railroading INNOCENT PEOPLE"
Really? In most of the cases being reviewed by the courts only a very small percentage have been found to have included intentional malicious actions by law enforcement or prosecutors. In those cases (including this one) the convictions have been overthrown and prosecutors and officers fired or charged. So where are all these alleged "frame-ups"?
"I think the public would actually be QUITE SHOCKED at what some law enforcement get by with."
Really? Such as? Want to name names? I'm sure that the US Attorney in Raleigh would love to talk to you. The public would be more shocked on how many guilty people walk free.
kikinc Dec 27, 10:35 a.m.
Those of you who are saying that they are guilty b/c they were convicted by a jury of their peers really need to research this case. Witnesses were given gifts in return for the "right" testimony. Another witness recanted on the stand, but it was explained by saying he was mentally ill. 60 Minutes ran a segment on this case in the late 1970's showing the fabricated evidence in the trial. Not to mention, the prosecution's star witness had a personal relationship with the prosecutor and there are letters that prove the witness was kept "happy" in return for his testimony. Do a little research on this case. What I've read has pretty much disgusted me.
Paladin2 Dec 27, 10:32 a.m.
The courts did not rule that they were innocent - they only questioned the proceedings. There is no proof that any of these people were innocent.
dollibug Dec 27, 10:18 a.m.
*****I guess not being guilty has nothing to do with it!
Actually there are *INNOCENT PEOPLE IN PRISON* who are NOT GUILTY at all.....there are so many people who think that the people in charge of enforcing the law actually ALWAYS do their jobs.....NOT SO.....BUT they do get by with framing, tricking or railroading INNOCENT PEOPLE.....I think the public would actually be QUITE SHOCKED at what some law enforcement get by with. Sometimes, people just get *caught up in the system*.....through no fault of their own.
same ole story Dec 27, 10:14 a.m.
You do the crime convicted by your peers then do thetime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dollibug Dec 27, 10:06 a.m.
It is sad that requests have to be made against *INNOCENT people who have been convicted* in the first place.....thank GOD for the INNOCENCE GROUPS which have been formed to *review the WRONGFULLY CONVICTED*.....so much CORRUPTION in the Judicial System and so many people who do not even care.
claudnc Dec 27, 9:56 a.m.
I guess not being guilty has nothing to do with it!
Centurian Dec 27, 9:53 a.m.
Purdue will most certainly pardon those that firebombed the store, probably saying that it was their way of making a "political statement" when their voices were not being heard. What's she got to loose? She has already cemented her spot in history as the worst Governor in a generation.
offthegrid7165 Dec 27, 9:52 a.m.
I guess next they'll be wanting to pardon the "Wilmington 3"....the two black males and black female who went hunting an innocent white victim and ended up robbing and murdering the teenager in cold blood....for 10 dollars, a cell phone, and a sandwich. Which reminds me, has Barber denounced the actions of his brothers and sista for that horrible hate crime?JohnnyVoodoo
Yea! What's the grossly obese man got to say about that?
offthegrid7165 Dec 27, 9:50 a.m.
"The North Carolina chapter of the NAACP recently said newly discovered notes by the prosecutor in the Wilmington 10 case show he engaged in racial profiling to select a jury that would be more favorable for a conviction."
And who here is fool enough to believe this isn't going on every day... today?
westernwake1 Dec 27, 9:49 a.m.
From the change.org letter:
'As a result of these convictions, the Ten were collectively sentenced to 282 years in prison, and, individually, served between four and six years in prison. These convictions and sentencing sparked national protests and gained international attention and condemnation. In 1977, the three State’s witnesses, who testified against the Ten, recanted their testimonies in court. The CBS News’ program “60 Minutes” then exposed the State’s evidence as “fabricated” by prosecutors, and in 1980, the US Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals overturned the convictions based upon that Court’s independent determinations that the Prosecutor and the Trial Judge allowed the introduction of perjured testimony and with-held critical evidence which defense attorneys were entitled to receive.
The frame-up was exposed, but the State of North Carolina has never declared the Ten innocent, nor have the fabricated charges been dismissed against them.'
westernwake1 Dec 27, 9:46 a.m.
After reading the press and history of this case, I support these pardons. I urge others to join me in signing the change.org petition. -
If you want to read more about the prosecutor in this case, Jay Shroud; who has been convicted of over a dozen times during the past six years and served time in prison, 'for charges ranging from domestic violence, to repeatedly ramming cars because, Stroud told a judge, “Satan was with [the drivers],” Stroud, who lost his license to practice law in 2008.' This prosecutor, Jay Shroud, is delusional and it is time to pardon these men who were falsely convicted. -
johnnytoon2 Dec 27, 9:44 a.m.
Some one once said to me in a conversation: "Ah, reverse racism." No, racism is racism. It goes both ways. Racism does not mean whites hate blacks. It's all races hating each other!!!!!!!!
Rebelyell55 Dec 27, 9:41 a.m.
So much racial hatred in these posts.
December 27, 2012 9:25 a.m.------------------------------------
Yep, it's almost like being back there all those years ago when this group targeted the white grocery owner (who happen to serve the black neighborhood). It was a hate crime then, and any hate crime should not be pardon.
Hans Dec 27, 9:25 a.m.
So much racial hatred in these posts.
piene2 Dec 27, 9:15 a.m.
Go to it Governor Perdue! You can get a lot done before you leave office.
tatermommy52 Dec 27, 9:13 a.m.
So the NAACP is asking a Democrat to do something. Pretty safe bet.
ncmickey Dec 27, 8:48 a.m.
They were railroaded by a racist prosecution. Time to do whats right, Bev.
chrisnrali Dec 27, 8:46 a.m.
Ditto abcorinth, guilty is guilty, no matter what your color.
mfarmer1 Dec 27, 8:37 a.m.
>> The notes in Stroud's handwriting show "KKK? (good)"
How many people can add comments to a note that looks just like the writer?
>> NAACP recently said newly discovered notes by the prosecutor
Really?, If this was in the notes on day one, they would have been brought out into the public years ago.
SaveEnergyMan Dec 27, 8:27 a.m.
Relax, she won't do it until the last day of her governorship - just like ex-presidents do. The pardon is hidden by all of the ceremony of the inauguration and by the time someone figures it out, she'll be long gone.
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03