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JustOneGodLessThanU Dec 31, 9:47 a.m.
@whyalltheproblems, you continue to dodge the questions & it's clear why
Imagine that you sit in front of this school in a fully-loaded Army tank...all day every day. You're our smartest & best-trained soldier with our best firepower!
Now, imagine this skinny boy shooter walked up to the school in his body armor & loaded with weapons. But, you just let him walk by you. You don’t make a sound. You watch while he tries the locked doors. You watch more while he smashes a window to get inside the school to the 6 year olds and their teachers...
You never help. But, the school staff jumps into action, sacrifice their lives and call in other humans who take action and they stop this maniac.
After it's over, groups of people gather together to worship and praise you...the do-nothing “protector”. THAT is what we are talking about here in this news story. People worshipping YOU for YOUR role in all this.
IMO, that's problem and that's why I'm posting here. YMMV
whyalltheproblems Dec 28, 2:54 p.m.
allinfantsareathiests, bottom line is one day we'll all find out who was right and who was wrong about God's existence.
I was listening to myself when I asked the question if God ever stepped in to stop you from doing something wrong...apparently no one else was.
JustOneGodLessThanU Dec 27, 4:01 p.m.
No humans “took god out of school”. The Engel v. Vitalet ruling stopped the forced reading of Christian Bible verses over the public school loudspeaker.
Every school child & teacher is still perfectly able to pray, pay homage & worship their private god in any way they want, any time they want, as long as it doesn’t affect others. The religious cannot use government money & resources to force impressionable children to be their very own captive audience.
If you have an ounce of do-unto-others blood in you, ask yourself if it would be appropriate to for the public school to force your children to listen to Koran readings, and only Koran readings, every morning. Would that start you thinking about the separation of church and State, maybe?
JustOneGodLessThanU Dec 27, 3:46 p.m.
If you attribute all the bad things happening in schools (and society for that matter) to “taking god out of school”, then you must also attribute all of the good things happening in schools for the same reason. ...less racism, less sexism, higher math/reading scores, longer life expectancy, flat screen TVs, the internet, and on and on. It's called "intellectual honesty", which is also known as "not being a hypocrite".
JustOneGodLessThanU Dec 27, 3:41 p.m.
So, no one here would have stoppped this mass murderer if they could have? Is that really a difficult question? And, if you just let the guy go on in the school and do what he did, you have no idea what people might think of you? Really?
And, you think that you can tell an all-knowing being something s/he doesn't already know?
And, an all-powerful being can be kept out of any sort of human-made building?...with only a few human-written words on human-made paper?
People. Are you listening to yourselves?
whyalltheproblems Dec 27, 1:02 p.m.
very true lopo
lopo Dec 27, 10:08 a.m.
Amazing, isn't it? The hypocritical right wingers just don't get the real message of Jesus. LOVE. EVERYONE. No violence and help the poor and sick. geosol
Remember it was the left wing that kicked God out of school, court houses and all public buildings, they ever boo'ed God during the democratic convention. Maybe we should look in the mirror before we start to judge.
whyalltheproblems Dec 27, 8:58 a.m.
to allinfantsareathiests, I don't have the answers to your questions. However, I can ask this: have you ever done something you know to be wrong? for instance; lie, speed, maybe cheat on a test, do something dishonest at work. I know those examples are far from being close to gun violence, etc. However, the bottom line is, have you ever been stopped by God from doing those things? My guess is no. I've never been stopped from doing something I know to be wrong. I have to make that choice to stop, or not do it.
@ geosol, it is sad and ironic that the conservatives don't get the real message of Jesus. Not many people truly do...not the liberals either. Jesus also said to follow and obey God's commands. Who among us is doing that?
geosol Dec 26, 7:30 p.m.
Amazing, isn't it? The hypocritical right wingers just don't get the real message of Jesus. LOVE. EVERYONE. No violence and help the poor and sick.
lwe1967 Dec 26, 5:44 p.m.
To the athiests - Our God gave us free will. He did not allow or start this. It is the evil ones around us doing this. There are metally ill people all around and they are fine as long as they take their medications, but they don't think that they are ill or wont' take their meds. God doesn't let bad happen. Evil and bad is there because of the devil. God is good and gives free will and love to each and every one of us!
lwe1967 Dec 26, 5:41 p.m.
We have shut God and His Son out of the schools, and anything in the public sector for fear of offending someone! I am offended because they have taken Them out! I am not the only one who feels this way. When I grew up, school was opened with the Lord's Prayer and the Pledge to the Allegance and we had Christmas and Easter vacations. There were ones in the schools who made trouble then, but not on the scale of today. Parents backed up the teachers also. May the Lord have mercy on us!
Knightwolf Dec 26, 2:07 p.m.
someone asked God,"Why are you not in our schools anymore?" and God replied,"you kicked Me out a long time ago."
Wiser_now Dec 26, 1:48 p.m.
Amen, Disabled Vet. Amen.
And to all the unbelievers - we keep trying other things - what can it hurt to try praying?
Disabled Vet Dec 26, 1:04 p.m.
If we would start letting God back into all the places that we banned him from, there would be less room for all the violence. There were extremely few reports of school violence when prayer and the pledge to the allegiance were allowed in schools. There was less violence in theaters and shopping centers before nearly every movie had GD this and GD that in every sentence.
JustOneGodLessThanU Dec 26, 11:34 a.m.
Can anyone answer just one of these questions?
1- Does the god they pray to really not know what's going on with all the gun violence on earth?...that 20 elementary school children and 6 altruistic teachers just got gunned down?
2- If god already knows what's going on and already knows all of your thoughts, why are you second-guessing his decisions?
3- If you had the foresight and power to stop mass killings...but you refused to act (time and time again)...would you be worthy of praise and worship?
Heights Dec 26, 10:40 a.m.
Prayer may be as effcetive as an assault weapon ban at ending voilence but wishing others well is never a waste of time.
I-Like-Tacos Dec 26, 9:21 a.m.
Yes, this will end violence and evil in the world. Close your eyes and talk to yourself. What measurements should we use to see how much this helps? lol.
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03