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capitalland Dec 21, 7:31 p.m.
The people of North Carolina have spoken. If Obama has a mandate in the United States then our new governor certainly has a mandate in NC. The fact that our great party won NC is the only thing keeping me from moving to Mexico. Viva McCrory
unrecreb Dec 21, 2:35 p.m.
"Oh yeh? Well, I guess I'm be making most of MY big ticket purchases out of state from now on. Think of the money I'll save, especially if I'm no longer paying income tax!"
If that includes you buying a house out of state all the more reason to be for it.
Nancy Dec 21, 1:00 p.m.
pbjbeach - you don't believe all the decades of democrat rule in this state produced cronyism amongst democrats? Really? What color is your sky?
davidk_at_unc Dec 21, 12:58 p.m.
"Let's get rid of the income tax and go to a consumption tax, it's the most fair tax there is." -- unrecreb
If the state income tax is eliminated, the sales tax rate will have to increase in order to make up for the lost revenue. A tax on income pretty much determines how much people will have to pay. I don't know anyone who'd be willing to take a lower paying job in order to reduce their taxes. A consumption tax is going to give everyone the option of spending less in order to save more. One of the side effects of this is that state tax revenue will drop. People will have the option of making their purchases outside the state if they can find better deals, further diminishing the state tax revenue. Pretty soon the state government will be living on a shoestring, making Mississippi actually look pretty good!
davidk_at_unc Dec 21, 12:51 p.m.
"Let's get rid of the income tax and go to a consumption tax, it's the most fair tax there is." -- unrecreb
Oh yeh? Well, I guess I'm be making most of MY big ticket purchases out of state from now on. Think of the money I'll save, especially if I'm no longer paying income tax!
pbjbeach Dec 21, 12:34 p.m.
you are 1000% correct with your postin on here forall these repbulcians want is someone that will listen to a belive ever word out of their lying mouths as being the truth. they do not like people in this state that are capably of thinking for themselves they only want someone that were it will be a case of the blind leading the blind. there is no diversity within ther party nor any form of caring for the indivsuals rights freedoms or even constituional rights an surely not fo ranyones work place right with the supporting of the right to work laws in this stae they are toatly responsible for in the first place just so as to be able for their coporate buddys to be able to work the hell out of people an then not pay them correctly or fairly they have mangaed to strip out any form of diginity from the working class in this state/ anyone that votes to reelect pat mccory in this state as governor just is not a thinking person to start with thank you
pbjbeach Dec 21, 12:22 p.m.
these typical republican appointments to the various boards an chairmanships an an state agencys that will follow will only serve to demonstrate just how partisan mccory will be an i personal feel sorry of the state employees in this state an that they will continue to be attack by privatization an deregualtions to the points thatthey arent being allowed to do their jobs dutys as that both shannan an art pope both will only continue to attck the public sector in the nam of privatization an they will be the elitist for the elitiest an the coporate an specila instrest groups in this state with continued letting of contracts to contractors an private enitys that disavow any rightsor protections for state employees most especially within the areana of the NCDOT IN THIS STATE they will not care one whit for the average citizens in this state . in all probablity they will continue to attacking the education sysytem an the tearhers in this stae until they have wholely privatized the educa
wildpig777 Dec 21, 9:32 a.m.
i think nc needs 4 more yrs of QUEEN PERDUE as punishment for the citizens not demanding better service of the political elite.
jason19 Dec 21, 9:22 a.m.
"I think this is a great appointment. I'm tired of watered-down conservatives making decisions based on how they think the media and leftists(democrats) will react. Don't get wobbly-kneed Pat. Let's get rid of the income tax and go to a consumption tax, it's the most fair tax there is."--unrecreb
Sales taxes are the least fair because they disproportionately affect the poor and middle class. The sales tax is extremely regressive because (a) you pay it even if your income is tiny and get no break whatsoever even on your first dollars and (b) a lot of what the rich buys or uses would not be subject to a sales tax, and what little they do that would be subject to the sales tax is taxed at the exact same rate as what the poor pays. That's only fair if you are naive enough to believe that the first $40,000 or so of a paycheck is not more important to the well-being of an average citizen than dollar amounts greater than that.
bronskrat Dec 21, 8:54 a.m.
unrecreb Dec 21, 7:44 a.m.
I think this is a great appointment. I'm tired of watered-down conservatives making decisions based on how they think the media and leftists(democrats) will react. Don't get wobbly-kneed Pat. Let's get rid of the income tax and go to a consumption tax, it's the most fair tax there is.
Jeremiah_Del_Toro Dec 20, 7:50 p.m.
His appointment is solid. For all you sniffling crybabies out there smoking weed and "surfing" the internet. Pope and Shanahan are stand up men with years of experience in working with budgets.
Maybe you should move to CA, IL, or NY and live under horrendous interest rates and the threat of financial collapse on a Quarterly basis. No thanks., Pat McCrory, and Co. will work hard to make the hard decisions that will make our state, and hopefully our Country a strong place again.
geosol Dec 20, 7:01 p.m.
Some right winger wrote: "hey have been indoctrinated by MSNBC and other media lap dogs of the Democratic Party and have lost their ability to think for themselves." Now THAT'S funny, i don't care who ya are!!!!
ccsmith1902 Dec 20, 7:00 p.m.
trubetold: You are right. This will set North Carolina back with all the other backwoods states.
ccsmith1902 Dec 20, 6:59 p.m.
paladin2: I do not support Pope for many reasons. Nobody told me what to think, like the right wingers who cling to every rumor and cheap shot they hear. Thank God I can think for myself.
Paladin2 Dec 20, 6:41 p.m.
Listen at all the defamatory and vitriolic language coming from the liberals. They have been indoctrinated by MSNBC and other media lap dogs of the Democratic Party and have lost their ability to think for themselves. They have truly lost their moral compass.
Kristen168 Dec 20, 6:25 p.m.
Inter Alios Dec 20, 6:18 p.m.
Pope has acquired a fortune from low to moderate income citizens at Roses, Variety Wholesalers and Super Dollar. Now he wants to remove the income tax and replace it with increased taxes on purchases and services, which will disproportionately affect the same low to moderate income citizens who enabled him to accumulate his fortune. Those same citizens should boycott all his stores.
geosol Dec 20, 6:17 p.m.
Look for changes in the state ethics laws now that AP has been exposed as the man behind the curtain. Pope won't stand for the level of disclosure that is currently required for state government officials. But we can be sure he'll find a way around that; legally or otherwise.
Banned4Life Dec 20, 5:57 p.m.
Let the destruction begin.
Scottie Dec 20, 5:52 p.m.
LOL. Pope's managed to buy himself the governorship. Let the shenanigans begin. McCrory will be lucky to finish one term. The press will hound his administration from day one with this appointment.
trubtold Dec 20, 5:39 p.m.
Political hacks in important positions and roles for NC. Sad for NC...McCrory was all talk and now we see the real McCrory and his ultra conservative agenda. He is as bad as Perdue. NC will be another Missippi, Alabama, backwoods state in four years.
davework Dec 20, 5:26 p.m.
"davework: I don't see any right wing extremists, anti-intellectual, anti-science appointments by Obama. ccsmith1902"
What are you talking about? Have any evidence besides the silly left-wing boogie men about the "Kock" brothers or some other nonsense. How about some evidence on "anti-intelliectual"ism - from a family that makes large donations to universities? Or some "anti-science" evidence?
We'll all hold our breath....
seankelly15 Dec 20, 5:19 p.m.
Pope is a political gadfly.
OGE Dec 20, 5:02 p.m.
When will the John Tedesco "appointment" be handed down?
OGE Dec 20, 5:00 p.m.
Oh Lord... Art Pope! Really!?!?! Heaven help this state!
whatelseisnew Dec 20, 4:46 p.m.
"Me: Please enlighten me. I beg of you. Bloomberg was a Dem before 2001, a Republican from 2001 to 2007 and has been Independent since."
regardless of the brand label that man wears, he is a fascist.
JoCo50 at MXR Dec 20, 4:45 p.m.
"I guess we can expect state government to run like Roses and Super Dollar - poor service, low quality goods, part-time employees with no benefits, and big bucks for the guys in charge." hp277
In other words, you're expecting no change from the last 12 years??
"On his worst day, Art Pope will be better than Perdue's crowd on their best day." gnewsome1
I think this comment is pretty much spot on.
BlueForever Dec 20, 4:28 p.m.
I for one wasn't stunned, Road-wearier, but I will proudly admit that we don't all want to believe that the obnoxious and rude hacks on MSNBC are representative of our society, Road-wearier.
davidgnews Dec 20, 4:24 p.m.
I wonder if the Koch Bros. will advise Art in his new role.
banker27520 Dec 20, 4:22 p.m.
"Yeah, I almost cannot believe this pick. On the long list of people who would've been an acceptable choice, Art Pope is not there. I'm almost in shock over this decision." Why in shock? You didn't think he'd have to cow tow to the right? And look how bad he was when mayor of Charlotte. Dalton was a much better choice to keep the right wing in check. Now they have a stamp on everything they come up with.
NYtoNC81 Dec 20, 4:19 p.m.
Road-wearier: OK, now you're just grasping at straws and looking foolish.
Me: Please enlighten me. I beg of you. Bloomberg was a Dem before 2001, a Republican from 2001 to 2007 and has been Independent since.
Look it up anywhere.
Road-wearier Dec 20, 4:15 p.m.
"wow where have you been for past 6 months, all polls show MOST Americans are now in support of same-sex marriage!"
Not if you get all your news from Fox...the same people who were stunned that Obama won because in their parallel universe they create their own reality.
Road-wearier Dec 20, 4:14 p.m.
"Well Bloomberg has been Dem/Rep/Indy all at one point."
OK, now you're just grasping at straws and looking foolish.
Road-wearier Dec 20, 4:14 p.m.
" Stop trying to have everyone else follow lock-step with you. I could care less about lottery or abortion, if I don't believe in it, I won't do it, but I don't preach to others about what to do."
Ah, and that's the great hypocrisy of the current right wing brain. They want the gov't out of every aspect of their lives, except when they want the gov't to regulate stuff that they firmly believe. Personal accountability stops at the bedroom door, the doctor's office, and the lottery ticket machine...because they know better. So much for gov't out of the lives of people...
jason19 Dec 20, 4:13 p.m.
"Art Pope - no longer the man behind the curtain, now Governor of the State of North Carolina. What was McCrory thinking? This is the way to bring North Carolinians together? This is a bad omen for the future of McCrory's judgement, his policies, and his leadership of our state."--ncpolitics
Yeah, I almost cannot believe this pick. On the long list of people who would've been an acceptable choice, Art Pope is not there. I'm almost in shock over this decision.
NYtoNC81 Dec 20, 4:11 p.m.
shaun2xlife: That only makes sense in your mind, his coalition reached way further than that. And that type of thinking will have your party out of the national spotlight for yrs to come. Good luck winning with that mindset in the future, look how far it got you guys this time.
Me: Very true. Obama won those with school above an undergraduate level by 13 points! 55-42.
So while it's true Obama did well with poor people he also destroyed Romney in those with the highest level of education.
jason19 Dec 20, 4:10 p.m.
Art Pope? Whoa, that is extremely unexpected. That man will take us back in time with his extreme, Tea-Party ideas. I am seriously questioning whether I made the right choice by voting for McCrory. If he lets Art Pope go without a tight leash, I am sorry to say that this state will likely be in a sad, terrible state in fewer than 4 years.
NYtoNC81 Dec 20, 4:08 p.m.
Relic: And we all know that the Democrats would NEVER want that. Try going to NYC and smoking a cigarette or ordering a "Big Gulp" at a store.
Me: What a weird comment. Most of those laws came under Republican (Guiliani) or Independent (Bloomberg) leadership.
Well Bloomberg has been Dem/Rep/Indy all at one point.
NYtoNC81 Dec 20, 4:06 p.m.
MadMaxx: I am sure California and many other liberal run states will accept you and the left winged entitlement ways. Please feel free to move!
Me: I'm sure you know this being of sound intellect but since 1982 Republicans have been governor of CA in 24 years compared to 5 years for Democrats.
shaun2xlife Dec 20, 3:53 p.m.
obama won the 98% racial vote and the entitlement vote. THAT'S how he won. He's the entitltment president, remember?paultaylorsr100
That only makes sense in your mind, his coalition reached way further than that. And that type of thinking will have your party out of the national spotlight for yrs to come. Good luck winning with that mindset in the future, look how far it got you guys this time.
prodigalrn Dec 20, 3:52 p.m.
The liberal left's name calling, disrespectful divulging into one's personal life for magazine headlines, lies and manufactured stories aired during campaigns, false hyperbole, fearmongering has taught me well.
December 20, 2012 3:10 p.m.
This from a Fox-News watching, Rush Limpball worshipping person (ok, I'm guessing here that you are, and if not, I apologize) that allows those people mentioned to consistently call our President a Socialist, Communist, Muslim, etc, etc, etc. Bush had his detractors, but I never heard him called a Communist, Socialist, etc, etc. Inept, corrupt? Yes. But Socialist, no.
beeda Dec 20, 3:52 p.m.
Mr. Shanahan was defending his child from some severe name calling. However, does that warrant an adult become physical with minor? His slogan is also "don't bring a knife to a gun fight". Which is also entirely appropriate for a legal professional and now a the "Secretary of Public Safety". In other news, North Carolinians are flocking to purchase weapons.
ncpolitics Dec 20, 3:50 p.m.
Art Pope - no longer the man behind the curtain, now Governor of the State of North Carolina.
What was McCrory thinking? This is the way to bring North Carolinians together?
This is a bad omen for the future of McCrory's judgement, his policies, and his leadership of our state.
Bad, bad, bad!
prodigalrn Dec 20, 3:48 p.m.
Democrats want to maintain their entitlement programs which don't encourage anything other than stagnation and their own social agenda of forcing people with different beliefs than theirs to pay for things they believe are "right" (abortion, cellphones, etc.) and to legitimize issues such as gay marriage despite the majority of Americans being opposed to it. No, no social agenda there.
December 20, 2012 2:46 p.m.
Last I checked, medicare and such doesn't pay for abortions. As for social agendas, you have no room to talk. Don't want an abortion? Don't have one! But stop trying to tell others what they can and can't do. Just like the right-winger religous zealots regarding the lottery. They cried foul over the lottery, and wanted everyone else to follow their "values". Stop trying to have everyone else follow lock-step with you. I could care less about lottery or abortion, if I don't believe in it, I won't do it, but I don't preach to others about what to do.
banker27520 Dec 20, 3:46 p.m.
"and to legitimize issues such as gay marriage despite the majority of Americans being opposed to it. No, no social agenda there.".... wow where have you been for past 6 months, all polls show MOST Americans are now in support of same-sex marriage!
banker27520 Dec 20, 3:43 p.m.
"That's pretty big talk from someone who's party's outgoing governor was so bad the Democrats wouldn't let her run."
Completely false. Perdue herself decided not to run, Democrats wanted her to.
Gork Dec 20, 3:39 p.m.
Everyday, more and more, just like Mississippi...
beeda Dec 20, 3:37 p.m.
Interesting Shanahan being put in charge of anything. For someone with severe anger issues, is a complete chauvanist and womanizer the public will be so much safer. Hide your wives and girlfriends.
geosol Dec 20, 3:37 p.m.
One of the right wingers actually wrote this, " Folks, businesses could care LESS about how you taught the world was formed as long as they 1) have a readily available work force and 2) make a profit."
This is a perfect example of the dangerous and flawed right wing ideology now being foisted on the good people of North Carolina. Good jobs demand a good education with a solid background in science and technology. Teaching creationism in schools is a great way to get good businesses to move out of NC in search of qualified staff. But, the right wingers expect that we should all be content with low tech, low paying jobs with no benefits so that the rich can get even richer while the poor and middle class loose ground. It's the REPUBLICAN way in the 21st century, and today McMoney just reinforced that principle.
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03