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  • Dnut Dec 22, 8:17 p.m.

    Unbroken, your definitely wrong, "DOJ", 2004 study showed that someone using a knife against a gun, could get to you and cut and kill you within 21 steps, before you could remove the firearm/handgun. So maybe you should stop with the exaggerations. Really the problem with this whole blog, is most of you have no idea of what your talking about, and instead of being informed your just spouting.....sad....

  • Dnut Dec 22, 8:07 p.m.

    No one said that guns are not dangerous in the wrong hands, it's how you respond to such situations, (TJPC), we can't help your a spineless terd that want's the gov't to do everything for you, including your personal safety....

  • Dnut Dec 22, 8:03 p.m.

    Truly American, everything you said, was wrong and encroachment on ALL of this sovereign nations citizens, second amendment rights! There's no legal language anywhere that gives you or any elected official the right to tell me how many rounds my weapon/weapons can hold. You can't tell me how well my shooting should be or accurate. LISTEN UP, there is no system in place that can mandate that only the owner of a weapon be the one who cycles that weapon! PERIOD! Your just scared, tired, sad like the rest of us about this horror! But most of us aren't scared that our neighbor owns something that we don't, that can be used for good mostly, and rarely evil. You might want to seek professional help for that.

  • Dnut Dec 22, 7:52 p.m.

    @cwmllc1952....please stop, just stop with rhetoric, instead of facts. Everyone's heart is broken, but telling non truths, isn't going to solve anything.

  • driverkid3 Dec 21, 12:19 p.m.

    sillywabbitthepatriot::::Guns aren't the ONLY problem here and dismissing mental illness because of your political stance is irresponsible and ignorant.

    I will go so far as to say that the mental health issue is so far ahead of the gun issue in every way. There are a lot of mentally ill people roaming the streets that have never hurt anyone, but they still need heelp and that help is NOT available for them.

    Help is, however, available for the pet projects of the past governor and the others before her. It's available to cover the illegals, to convert Dix Hill to a "destination park" whatever THAT is, and let's not forget the free babysitting services for pre school. In the meantime, mentally ill folks are on the losing end every day. This needs to stop and stop NOW!

  • Unbroken Dec 21, 11:56 a.m.

    "Maybe some of these bleeding hearts here should research one of the reasons WHY the founding fathers wrote the 2nd admendment into the Constitution-it wasn't JUST to keep our rights as citizens, homeowners, families, etc for protection against evil PERSONS-it was also to protect us from a gov't of TRYANNY. And if you don't think we could ever be headed down that path, then you are not prepared.
    lasm"

    Don't forget to pick up some tinfoil on the way home. Your hat is starting to leak.

  • Sweets01 Dec 21, 9:23 a.m.

    Well said vacendak4

  • vacendak4 Dec 21, 9:01 a.m.

    IF you get rid of guns (which is impossible) look at drugs last I checked those were illegal, not talking Marijuana either and killing our children just slowly. Kids can come from good families/backgrounds and Lose their functionality as a human. Prescriptions being worse in some cases. Also, guns just like drugs can not kill if not used with that intent. Unless the mentality is taken care of you can not get rid of the problem. Guns/Drugs by themselves are harmless. Yes accidents happen... but your car is a deadly weapon too. And terrible accidents have happened without drugs or alcohol being involved too. Cause even one death let alone 32 deaths is not ok. I agree with working on the Mental Health system. If you take away guns, I think that prohibition will work as well as any of the others, pretty poorly. I think it is time for parents to get the help they need (cause if a parent tries to help but the system will not help=fail.

  • lasm Dec 21, 8:46 a.m.

    ew2152: I, nor anyone else, could have said it better. Maybe some of these bleeding hearts here should research one of the reasons WHY the founding fathers wrote the 2nd admendment into the Constitution-it wasn't JUST to keep our rights as citizens, homeowners, families, etc for protection against evil PERSONS-it was also to protect us from a gov't of TRYANNY. And if you don't think we could ever be headed down that path, then you are not prepared. My dad taught me, for everything in life on this earth, to hope(and pray)for the best-but be prepared for the worst. It has served me well.

  • dontstopnow Dec 21, 8:41 a.m.

    Actually the school shooting in Conn only allowed the current administration to jump into the topic of guns and controlls again. It was a shameful way to divert attention from the real issues of illegal gun possession, which they know they will never be able to control. Anyone owning a legal gun is recorded and they know exactly where to find those guns so what kind of gun control will stop criminals from attaining guns???? That is the real job to be done, not legal owners.

    We have a totally disfunctional group of people running this country that live in their own little worlds and want their own little way on everything regardless the consequences for the rest of the population!

  • ew2152 Dec 20, 7:54 p.m.

    @radium Why should any weapons be severely controlled? No assault weapons were used in the attack, and people that do this will use anything available. The worst school killing in history was in done using bombs. Knife attacks have been common. There are tens of millions of guns and there are relatively few problems, and the ones that there are are caused by illegal guns and use of guns by people that have serious problems. It is those problems that need to be addressed, not the tools. There are far more kids killed by swimming pools and bicycles than guns. Should they be banned also?

    The whole focus on guns is created by a government that wants to limit peoples rights. The guns are NOT the problem but the fact that peoples ability to defend themselves has been removed is part of the problem. Anti Gun nuts are the enablers, not the solution.

  • ew2152 Dec 20, 7:48 p.m.

    @paulej People are morally bankrupt because lazy useless parents don't bother to teach them morality. Instead they take the easy cop out of "letting the kids do their own thing". There are severe consequences to that selfish laziness.

  • ew2152 Dec 20, 7:45 p.m.

    @jcthai Can you cite a single example of your claim, or do you just make things up like all liberals?

  • affirmativediversity Dec 20, 7:33 p.m.

    "Solution: figure out why some people are morally bankrupt and fix it." paulej Agreed. They're called psychopaths and sociopaths and they can be screened for in tests, if anybody would bother to do it before selling a person a gun. per radium

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    Are you joking or are you really that ignorant about mental illness generally and serious mental illnesses such as schizophrenia in particular?

  • jcthai Dec 20, 7:30 p.m.

    Boy, McCrory's got some nerve saying we need to fix the mental healthcare system after the Republicans gutted it with spending cuts. Wow.

  • cjw6105 Dec 20, 6:59 p.m.

    Well, the first thing we do is turn the Dix campus into a world-class park, like a Central Park, which will make Raleigh a world-class destination, blah blah blah..........

  • radium Dec 20, 6:39 p.m.

    "Solution: figure out why some people are morally bankrupt and fix it." paulej
    Agreed. They're called psychopaths and sociopaths and they can be screened for in tests, if anybody would bother to do it before selling a person a gun.

  • radium Dec 20, 6:36 p.m.

    Yes mental health, but also assault weapons and high capacity clips need to be heavily controlled. Anyone wanting to purchase these must pass a face to face evaluation with a licensed mental health counselor explaining why they need such extreme firepower in a civilian environment. If they have a justifiable reason, pass a psychological screening and back ground check, then let 'em buy it. That's a lot better than what we do now, especially at gun shows and gun auctions on the internet. And please don't sing the home defense con game. A .223 full metal jacket high velocity round fired in a house will penetrate every wall, killing your family in another room and still be able to go into a neighbors house and kill some more. Solid brick exteriors might keep the damage in the house only, but do you want to kill your kids by accident? If you want assault weapons, stay in the military for life, they got plenty for you to play with. Just don't bring it in my neighborhood to kill my family.

  • jacksun48 Dec 20, 6:11 p.m.

    Automobiles and trucks are made to move people and things efficiently from one place to another. Semi-automatic rifles and handguns are made to kill people. Stopping power, muzzle velocity, how many rounds in how many seconds, penetration, metal jackets, these terms measure how effective these weapons are at killing people.

  • whatelseisnew Dec 20, 4:56 p.m.

    "But I would hope that you would see this as an irrational argument. We take all motorized vehicles off of the road and I do not think it takes much imagination to know what would happen to commerce, our society as a whole, etc. Take semi-automatic rifles off the market and....?"

    Actually removing all non-commercial passenger vehicles would have little impact. Transport of food and other goods could still take place. Infringing on the right to bear arms causes unnecessary deaths, loss of business, and loss of jobs. If we are to remove access to guns in this country, first we must disarm the Government.

  • whatelseisnew Dec 20, 4:53 p.m.

    "Secondly, that car didn't take out 20 children and six adults. Most people do not have a problem with guns/ownership. Some guns though? Yes. Just like the argument about outlawing knives. Generally speaking, one cannot kill 26 people from a distance with a knife."

    Cars have taken out many more children and adults then guns. Perhaps you should deal with banning the most dangerous items first and work your way down.

  • paulej Dec 20, 4:48 p.m.

    "No, it's the uncontrolled availability of assault weapons." --VcOfRsn

    While I am not a gun toting yahoo, I absolutely disagree with you. The problem is, indeed, the individual. You could put a pistol in each of my hands and I could parade all over town with them and I'm quite confident nobody is going to get shot.

    The problem here, and we see this with many pointless shootings that happen in the Triangle area, too, is that some people simply have no morals. No soul. No compassion.

    From the day we are born, we have a pretty good sense of right and wrong. If the understanding that murder (or even hurting somebody) is wrong is not innate, it is definitely learned at an early age.

    Over time, young adults and adults seem to shred she sense of right and wrong. Not everyone, but some people. It is that latter group of people that should not own or have access to guns.

    Solution: figure out why some people are morally bankrupt and fix it.

  • Unbroken Dec 20, 4:44 p.m.

    "The implement" as you say didn't mow down anybody. Cars don't run off the road, drivers do.... Now call for a ban on cars to fix this problem, shall we?
    NCHighlander"

    Yes it would be nice to just apply such a blanket policy to all things in life, wouldn't it? Outlaw all things that "literally" cause injury/death and thus no matter how reckless the action or intent, no harm could be done.

    But I would hope that you would see this as an irrational argument. We take all motorized vehicles off of the road and I do not think it takes much imagination to know what would happen to commerce, our society as a whole, etc. Take semi-automatic rifles off the market and....?

    Secondly, that car didn't take out 20 children and six adults. Most people do not have a problem with guns/ownership. Some guns though? Yes. Just like the argument about outlawing knives. Generally speaking, one cannot kill 26 people from a distance with a knife.

  • VcOfRsn Dec 20, 4:20 p.m.

    It's the mental health care system! It's the individual! It's gun-free school zones! It's too many gun laws! It's unarmed teachers!

    No, it's the uncontrolled availability of assault weapons.

  • Mike H Dec 20, 4:12 p.m.

    Wow. I had my skepticism about McCrory, but he just put his best foot forward for me. Focus on mental health and enforcing existing laws ... quite possibly the most intelligent thing I've heard from a politician all week.

  • jacksun48 Dec 20, 4:04 p.m.

    I wonder how many kids would have been killed if Lanza didn't have a semi-automatic rifle and semi-automatic handguns? Probably a lot less. He certainly proved that these guns are very effective for their intended purpose - killing people.

  • NCHighlander Dec 20, 4:03 p.m.

    "Right. Let's do something about "goths" and board games. But the implement that actually mowed down 20 children and six adults is not part of the problem. And somehow those that happen to believe otherwise are "nuts" eh? Got it."

    Ah and there you have the main disagreement in the debate over guns. "The implement" as you say didn't mow down anybody. Cars don't run off the road, drivers do. The car was happy and content in the driveway until a nut case texting, drinking, talking on the phone, or any other distraction you want to name drove the car off the road. Now call for a ban on cars to fix this problem, shall we?

  • VcOfRsn Dec 20, 3:51 p.m.

    Maybe Pat can get some of that mental health care he's pushing,

  • Unbroken Dec 20, 3:27 p.m.

    "For all you anti-gun critics who salivate at the opportunity to ban all guns... Guns aren't the ONLY problem here and dismissing mental illness because of your political stance is irresponsible and ignorant.

    sillywabbitthepatriot"

    Easiest question of the day. Really, it is. Out of all the comments that I have read, I have not seen any that said guns were the ONLY problem or was dismissive of mental illness. Can you point to one posted comment that does?

    Secondly, I have also not seen any (although I would agree that there may have been a few AT MOST) comments calling for a ban of ALL guns. How many comments that indicate otherwise have you seen?

    Don't worry about it. I know that my questions are a little more difficult than yours.

  • lasm Dec 20, 3:18 p.m.

    allinfantsareatheists: "So, do something...don't just talk about it."

    He's not Governor, yet. He's Governor-Elect......give him time, please.

  • Unbroken Dec 20, 3:17 p.m.

    "Focusing on mental health is the right course, but it is not the whole course. Acceptable social behavior in our youth needs to be addressed also. This kid, as well as many of the others including Columbine were into "Goth". A few years ago kids were killing randomly that were involved in "Dungeons and Dragon". As adults we are responsible for teaching our kids that these types of hate games are not acceptable. It is not their "right" to express themselves with anti social behavior. Becoming a productive member of society means learning to respect others and the rights of others. When that is not taught, we get the results we have.
    ew2152"

    Right. Let's do something about "goths" and board games. But the implement that actually mowed down 20 children and six adults is not part of the problem. And somehow those that happen to believe otherwise are "nuts" eh? Got it.

    ew2152

  • fishon Dec 20, 3:16 p.m.

    if a hand gun or bolt action rifle kills just as well why were assault weapons and extended clips made?
    1983rs

    Just a natural progression of the tool? Cars are better, planes are better, eletric can openers vs hand openers, power saws vs hand saws etc.

    I saw some nice assault rifles at the gun show on Saturday. $179 for a nice WW1 era bolt action European infantry assault rifle, possibly refurbished and otherwise new in the crate.

  • Mon Account Dec 20, 2:55 p.m.

    Yeah, NC has a wonderfully colored history on how they treat the mentally ill. His idillc "solution" doesn't seem to have much substance to it.

  • cactus95 Dec 20, 2:51 p.m.

    About time we had a Governor that addresses the real issues as opposed to what the "tree huggers" think will change the world? Way to go Mac!!!!!

  • JustOneGodLessThanU Dec 20, 2:07 p.m.

    How will McCrory reconcile this with his party's goal to stop all gov't services to all people? Well, maybe he'd rather kick a few million a year to this rather than limit his gun purchases in any manner. Whatever. As long as he doesn't ignore this massive problem and takes some meaningful action.

    So, do something...don't just talk about it.

  • Uhavenoclu Dec 20, 1:40 p.m.

    The cure in something like this ...Don't upset anyone and never bully.

  • Raleighwolf Dec 20, 1:28 p.m.

    The argument about banning high capacity mags or assault "weapons" doesn't hold water. The most devastating weapon in a crowded local is a shotgun. With practice and technique, these can be fired continually at a rate of about 1 round per second. (see shotgun speedloading or combat loading used in competition shooting on youtube) The police at Aurora stated they were glad he did not use the shotgun or the damage would have been much greater. Making something illegal does not stop it. Black markets abound in drugs, prostitution, and gambling. What do you think will happen if these weapons are banned. Welcome to supporting cartels and crime families more than we do now. McVeigh used a bomb (illegal) and killed 19 children under 6 along with the other 160+ people. We need better mental health care in this country that has had funding stripped both federally and at the state level in recent years. McCrory is right.

  • One Step Beyond Dec 20, 1:06 p.m.

    I agree with what weasel12 said

  • weasel2 Dec 20, 12:26 p.m.

    Finally a sane and intelligent answer to a problem instead of an attack on our rights. Glad he's going to lead NC

  • affirmativediversity Dec 20, 12:25 p.m.

    I believe a semi automatic gun hols multiple bullets in a clip without reloading and allows you to shoot multiple bullets in a short period of time per beachmama

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    Sorry, incorrect. A revolver holds multiple bullets without reloading and allows you to shoot multiple bullets in a short period of time too. You can even have extra "clips" preloaded and available for quick replacement.

  • emtp2k Dec 20, 12:21 p.m.

    Beachmam, most hunting rifles now are semi automatic rifles. Maybe you are confusing semi auto with automatic wepons. Semi Autos are typically used by civilians and law enforcement, automatic weapons are mainly military and some law enforecement selective enforcement teams.

  • affirmativediversity Dec 20, 12:21 p.m.

    yes mental illiness is a problem and no matter how bad I would NEVER shoot my own child. But semi automatic weapons have no place in civilian hands. Keep your guns and hunting rifles but No one needs a semi automatic gun. What are you going to do line up the animals and mow them down per beachmama

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    So says the person who thinks mental illness is something you can "choose"...

    Sad...in the year 2012...very sad indeed!

  • jcthai Dec 20, 12:20 p.m.

    ew2152, objective research shows exactly the opposite. Sad.

  • beachmama Dec 20, 12:18 p.m.

    I believe a semi automatic gun hols multiple bullets in a clip without reloading and allows you to shoot multiple bullets in a short period of time

  • beachmama Dec 20, 12:17 p.m.

    So do you just want to arm the children or are you suggesting we now have prioncipals and teachers learn how to shoot, wonder if they would even want to put into that position. Or do we just hire a ton of police and make them stand guard are yuou kidding me?

  • silverflash Dec 20, 12:16 p.m.

    "
    yes mental illiness is a problem and no matter how bad I would NEVER shoot my own child. But semi automatic weapons have no place in civilian hands. Keep your guns and hunting rifles but No one needs a semi automatic gun. What are you going to do line up the animals and mow them down"

    the 2nd am to the US Constitution has NOTHING to do with hunting! It has everything to do about protecting yourself and your community against ALL threats, foreign OR domestic!

  • ew2152 Dec 20, 12:08 p.m.

    @beachmama Do you even know what a semi-automatic weapon is? Apparently not. You anti-gun nuts are the enablers of these tragedies. There is a direct correlation between strong gun laws and high violence. When people can defend themselves, violence goes down. if you want to protect the kids, don't take away the ability to do so. We both know that the cops cannot get there in time, and we both know that these killings have all been in "gun free zones".

  • ew2152 Dec 20, 12:05 p.m.

    Focusing on mental health is the right course, but it is not the whole course. Acceptable social behavior in our youth needs to be addressed also. This kid, as well as many of the others including Columbine were into "Goth". A few years ago kids were killing randomly that were involved in "Dungeons and Dragon". As adults we are responsible for teaching our kids that these types of hate games are not acceptable. It is not their "right" to express themselves with anti social behavior. Becoming a productive member of society means learning to respect others and the rights of others. When that is not taught, we get the results we have.

  • beachmama Dec 20, 12:03 p.m.

    yes mental illiness is a problem and no matter how bad I would NEVER shoot my own child. But semi automatic weapons have no place in civilian hands. Keep your guns and hunting rifles but No one needs a semi automatic gun. What are you going to do line up the animals and mow them down

  • silverflash Dec 20, 12:00 p.m.

    The 2nd am supports state's rights to defend themselves as well as individual rights to defend themselves against all threats, foreign and domestic. What does that mean? Ask yourself how can you as an individual defend your country against an invading army with ak-47's when you only have a shotgun and handgun. You can't. Not that an ar-15 will buy you much more but it may buy you just enough and along with others like you may make the difference. How can you defend your way of life if a dictator were to occupy our government? And they started to collect people up to send them off to camps? Can't happen? It happened in Germany 70 years ago or so. Thing is when the 2nd am was written, one was able to equip themselves just like a current soldier of the day. i see that not changing and that's why assault weapons should be legal and not banned and in fact, law abiding, mentally stabel people should be able to own a fully auto weapon WITHOUT a tax. They can now, but must pay tax.

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