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Rebelyell55 Dec 20, 6:51 p.m.
Well they heard from the public Tuesday and Wednesday, and I'm betting it was a group who is tell em what a fine job they doing, since it's not reported what the "groups" had to say, I guess because it don't matter, they'll do whatever they want anyway.
Rebelyell55 Dec 20, 4:29 p.m.
Can take your land if needed, then there should not be any property taxes on land. IF I think I own it, and I have to pay property taxes only to be ran off of it, something sure is wrong in the thinking process here.
whatelseisnew Dec 20, 3:44 p.m.
"We'll allow them to take your land if the gas company needs it."
They can now take my land if someone wanted to put a strip mall in place of my home. We lost our property rights thanks to the Supreme Court. We now live in the land and home of the tax serf.
WYSINWYG Dec 20, 11:25 a.m.
There is really only one thing that people should be upset about when it comes to fracking in NC. People on the right and the left should be upset that so much of their hard-earned tax dollars are being wasted on the debate over something that will never happen in NC. $250K a year currently being spent on this commission's work, PLUS the distraction of legislators and numerous state officials in departments of commerce, health, and environment from other more important business that will have a more immediate and more significant effect on the NC economy. Read the numbers: there's 1/50th the amount of gas here that exists in the Marcellus, and natural gas prices are at historic lows. Why would anyone waste their time coming to NC when they can get the stuff in far greater quantities in any of 20 other states that already have stable laws and the pipelines to get the stuff to market?
WYSINWYG Dec 20, 11:17 a.m.
This is a classic case of 'the emperor has no clothes.' There is not enough gas here to make a difference economically or environmentally. Let 'em come and try to get gas out of the ground. They won't be successful AND they won't do enough environmental damage to amount to anything.
Rebelyell55 Dec 19, 6:46 p.m.
PLEASE start fracking today! I feel strongly for this because I researched how it is done.
December 19, 2012 12:39 p.m___________________________________
Don't know if your serious or not. So if the method is perfect, that could be, but it's controlled by humans, and lets face it humans make mistakes. Now for the issue that has nothing to do with method. 1. Is yesterday, they flat stated water requirement, and said "too bad on salt water" we'll use drinking water and treatment water that belongs to the citizens, not some Gas company. 2. We'll allow them to drill under your property without your approval. We'll allow them to take your land if the gas company needs it. They take you land to run a pipe line, nothing you can do about it. As shown in other states, they'll tear up the road, we pay more taxes to fix it. They leave a mess, we pay more taxes to clean it up. Major "accident", the gas companies are not liable. See the problem?
geosol Dec 19, 6:14 p.m.
Don't worry good people, this is nothing more than a little right wing BOONDOGGLE that uses OUR TAX DOLLARS to fund something based on ideology, not science or economics. Think about it, we've known about the organic shale in the Triassic for decades now; detailed seismic was performed in the early 1980's by an oil company consortium. There's a reason they haven't developed this area and it has NOTHING to do with rules and regulations. It has everything to do with the fact that the sediments are too fractured and the value of the resource is miniscule. To put it simply so that the right wingers might try to understand - IT AIN'T WORTH IT, and probably never will be. Just wish they'd stop wasting our time and tax dollars on it, though.
hi_i_am_wade Dec 19, 12:39 p.m.
Frack here, frack now! Don't let the factless environmentalists cloud your judgement. Heck, I would like to volunteer my neighborhood for fracking. This is because I *gasp* have researched hydrologic fracturing. I have studied it. It is safe. I'm so confident of its safety that I would love if you started fracking near me.
START FRACKING TODAY! Please please please.
On a related note, if an environmentalist says something is true, it ain't true. The modern environmental movement and facts are mutually exclusive. If you want to be their worst nightmare, take the time to do your own research. Oh, they hate that. It exposes them. As the link above shows how much they hate being exposed.
PLEASE start fracking today! I feel strongly for this because I researched how it is done.
momeeee Dec 19, 12:22 p.m.
Grand Union Dec 19, 12:18 p.m.
"This is an issue on which conservative rural North Carolinians with a "get off my land!" mentality should be able to unite with hippie liberals...
Lets hope so....
jgilchr Dec 19, 11:59 a.m.
Frack NO! The NCGA forced it through on a wrong vote on the veto override! It should never have passed!
floydthebarber Dec 19, 11:07 a.m.
This is an issue on which conservative rural North Carolinians with a "get off my land!" mentality should be able to unite with hippie liberals... fracking depletes and contaminates NC water tables as previous posters suggest, it pollutes, and does nothing to advance this nation.
Sadly I have little faith in republicons and Pat to do the right thing. They will be destructive before Democrats can intervene.
jbuselt Dec 19, 10:50 a.m.
Great Live video of the fracking meeting on 12/19/12 at https://denr.ncgovconnect.com/mec12192012/
Thanks to the original poster of this link.
George Howard, of Restoration Systems, is the same advocate for the Neuse River Milburnie Dam Removal in Raleigh.
Go to "Preserve Milburnie Dam" on FB to learn more.
Ask the Army Corp of Engineers, Raleigh Regulatory Field Office, for my six-page rebuttal about the "Milburnie Dam Removal" dated 12/13/12. Issues include: Water protections, public awareness/involvement, and property rights/protections. Sound all too familiar?
These projects sound like a total land grab.
Ultimately, I hope there is some federal oversight into these projects.
Rebelyell55 Dec 19, 10:45 a.m.
December 19, 2012 9:52 a.m_____________________________________
It don't matter if you own the mineral rights or not, the way the law is written, they can still drill under your property. Seize part of your land for pipe line etc. This what a lot of people didn't understand.
momeeee Dec 19, 10:30 a.m.
This needs to be a headline story!
Grand Union Dec 19, 9:52 a.m.
And even if you own the mineral rights and say no to Fracking your water will still polluted from Fracking on other land nearby. The Aquifers are not standing water....they flow and carry the pollutants with them.
They will foul up the water and it will be centuries before it would be clean again.
But those that profited from it will be long gone.
Rebelyell55 Dec 19, 9:41 a.m.
Not much need to worry about Dec. 21st, in two years our goverment will allow the start of the destruction. Even our own goverment has said that 20 years one of our biggest concerns will be adequate drinking water, and that the wars of the future will be on water and food, not oil or gas.
peterpepper Dec 19, 9:31 a.m.
eminent domain is another issue that needs to be addressed favorably for the land owners sake.
As it stands from the old laws, gas companies can take your property by eminent domain for running pipelines, etc. all over it.
Not to mention the poor people ( there are a LOT of them ) that don't own their mineral rights in the prime drilling area.
They are at the total mercy of the gas drilling companies if the mineral rights owners sign a lease and chances are they wi$$.
Rebelyell55 Dec 19, 9:22 a.m.
you better make sure NC State Legislators don't allow "forced pooling" in North Carolina. We need to pay as close attention to this energy commission as we do to how the Lottery is run. There is alot of money to be made, by someone, and if we're not extremely vigilant many North Carolinians are going to get "drilled".
December 19, 2012 9:09 a.m.....................................
Too late, the law already allows this. The way the law is written, they can drill under you property without you approval. I know of several people who at 1st didn't care and some supported it, a year ago. Now that they've read about it, what the law allows, and how it can effect them, they're having some serious doublt, and some flat are against it. Comments like using drinking water and such have swayed many, other understanding now how their land can be held hostage is the other. The contaimination of ground water may or may not be total truth, but the other factor are.
peterpepper Dec 19, 9:15 a.m.
to join in listening to them run over landowners live online.
WASP Dec 19, 9:13 a.m.
I guess the Pro Fracking leaders have to go through the motions to act like they are giving the non-frackers a voice. The Fracking decisions have already been made.
Rebelyell55 Dec 19, 9:13 a.m.
"for some reason this matter is to be decided by a committee of industry insiders...... I guess they don't trust us on matters that might affect their payoffs."
December 19, 2012 9:03 a.m.....................................
You're right and the only way is a petition that has enough people sign to force a vote. They know this and that is why they're pushing it so hard and fast. It'll be two years before it can go on a ballot. By then they'll have already started drilling and issuing license. If the vote goes against, then the gas company will sue, and most likely win, which will cost the tax payers hugh amounts of money the state don't have. So, as it stand now, even with people calling their rep. to stop this, they have no intention. It's being forced by the aid of those we elected down the throats of NC citizens.
bgibson3 Dec 19, 9:09 a.m.
I'm against it, but I think fracking will happen in NC. Just read about "forced pooling" and if you don't want to be forced to allow it under your property, even if you don't sign a contract, you better make sure NC State Legislators don't allow "forced pooling" in North Carolina. We need to pay as close attention to this energy commission as we do to how the Lottery is run. There is alot of money to be made, by someone, and if we're not extremely vigilant many North Carolinians are going to get "drilled".
Rebelyell55 Dec 19, 9:08 a.m.
Back in the 1940ty this same group pushed people off their land in the mountains to dig for coal. Funny ya would think that we as a people would of learn our lesson by now. This should of never been left up to the elected leaders who have a vested interest in this (which is proven by who they put on the board). It should be voted on by the citizesn of NC. Half the counties in NC will not benefit from this, yet they'll end up paying for it through their tax dollars. The other half will see property "taken" for the pipe line that'll transport this out of state. Too many sit back and let a few voice their concern while all the time not understand how this will effect them in the future, and of course by then it'll be too late.
Grand Union Dec 19, 9:03 a.m.
How about we have a referendum on this subject come the next election like we had on who gets to marry whom? I mean that issue was SO IMPORTANT that we had to change the State constitution but for some reason this matter is to be decided by a committee of industry insiders......
I guess they don't trust us on matters that might affect their payoffs.
Scubagirl Dec 19, 8:54 a.m.
The PUBLIC they want to hear from have already said NO!! now they will give them THREE minutes to say it again. BUT it doesn't matter what the public wants, what the landowners want-it only matters what THEY want.
piene2 Dec 19, 8:45 a.m.
It does not matter what the public wants, frackikng and it's accompanying despoiling of the environment is going to happen.
Rebelyell55 Dec 19, 8:44 a.m.
"members on Wednesday will discuss forced pooling, a way energy companies deal with land owners that can potentially force land owners into lease agreements that allow companies to drill on their land." ......................So many think all they have to do is say no huh? This is tyranncy at it's best. You may own property and pay taxes on it, but the goverment can do what they want with it. I also thought there were laws against this, but seem I was wrong. Not in NC. Folk, it time to wake up to what a few in our goverment is doing at the demands of their Corp. masters. I really hate the thought of what this will cost the citizens of NC, and the future of our children and Grandkids and their children. To think that they are already talking about using our drink water to supply the gas company fracking fluid is mind blogging.
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03