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  • Bartmeister Dec 19, 1:17 p.m.

    Because its not true? Where do you imagine criminals get their guns from???? Little criminal elves manufacturing them? Grand Union

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    This is too good to pass up. So you say stop making guns? That's your answer? WOW!!! Why didn't this come up before? Oh, that's right, cause it's never gonna happen. And Nero fiddled as Rome burned.

  • Grand Union Dec 19, 12:33 p.m.

    "explain how to keep them from obtaining a gun? Impossible. Why make irrelevant statements?"

    Unless they have a machine shop and can make them, they either buy them from a gullible or careless legal gun owner or they steal them from a careless legal gun owner......now if there were few legal gun owners how would they get the guns? Answer they wouldn't get very many and the value of them would drive them quickly out of reach of the low end criminals and nuts that do most of the killing.

  • Grand Union Dec 19, 12:29 p.m.

    "No laws will keep guns away from criminals. Why is this so hard to understand."

    Because its not true? Where do you imagine criminals get their guns from???? Little criminal elves manufacturing them?

  • JustOneGodLessThanU Dec 19, 12:22 p.m.

    @Glock07k, more guns won't reduce gun violence. Why is this so hard to understand?

  • Glock07 Dec 19, 10:33 a.m.

    No laws will keep guns away from criminals. Why is this so hard to understand.

  • dont bother me Dec 19, 10:25 a.m.

    I have said it for nearly 10 years. "Durham Police vehicles MUST have police cams installed." Nearly all of the Durham Police cars have NO cameras insides its cars. So what does the Chief spend money on?

    dsdaughtry

    Yea that would have stopped the shooting!! They have had cameras for about 15 years now. Shows how much you know.

  • lessismore Dec 19, 10:18 a.m.

    Grand Union says they will shoot anybody, only if they have a gun.

    explain how to keep them from obtaining a gun? Impossible. Why make irrelevant statements?

  • JustOneGodLessThanU Dec 19, 9:57 a.m.

    If police officers carried guns, they wouldn't get shot.

    Isn’t that what the pro-gun people tell us all the time to justify carrying their own guns in public?

  • erderr4533 Dec 19, 8:39 a.m.

    @haleibc: do you normally go around w/ a vid camera just in case you get mugged/shot? bc cops do....pretty sure if you had a video of someone beating u up, they wouldn't just 'assign a case number'

  • Bartmeister Dec 19, 8:29 a.m.

    "If they'll shoot a cop, they'll shoot anybody."

    Only if they have a gun...... Grand Union

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    Absolutely brilliant assessment. Do tell your answer to the "problem" with guns, especially on the subject of how to get them out of the bad guy's hands.

  • Bartmeister Dec 19, 8:24 a.m.

    how is that in anyway comparable to a infrequent random attack on an unsuspecting member of the public? Grand Union

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    A John Q Public private citizen vs a Public LEO. Seems a bit more urgent to me also.

  • Grand Union Dec 19, 8:12 a.m.

    ""It sure is funny how it didn't take 13 or 14 different officers being injured like those citizens on the tobacco trail for law officers to spring into action and find s suspect." aleibc"

    The Cops ID a Car before they even stop it so they know at least who owns it......how is that in anyway comparable to a infrequent random attack on an unsuspecting member of the public?

  • AFSC426X3 Dec 19, 8:11 a.m.

    Glad they caught this criminal. Give him the maximum sentence. Don't let him plea innocent because of his ethniticity or bad upbringing.

  • twatkinsntp Dec 19, 8:09 a.m.

    @dajones115b....you just blew your own argument right out of the water.....if someone buys a gun for the purpose of giving it to somoene else so that the other person can side step the law then that is illegal and is called a "Straw Purchase".

  • haleibc Dec 18, 6:27 p.m.

    piene2isclueless. Not disappointed. Very proud they did their job as they should when any citizen has been a victim of a crime. However most cases of the regular citizen just get a case number and that about it. Serve and try to protect the average citizen as you would your self.

  • JohnnyVoodoo Dec 18, 5:35 p.m.

    Officers will normally call in to the dispatcher to let them know they're going 10-61 before actually stopping the car. In addition, they'll give the tag number as well so dispatch can run a 10-28 on the tag and to check if the subject/suspect has any outstanding 10-29's on them. Also, if the information is relayed back to the officer in advance, DCI info can help determine if the stop should be a felony vehicle stop or not...which would require another unit to assist. Thus, the more information you can gather on a vehicle and possibly the driver sooner than later...it can help minimize the potential danger that could occur. Having just said all that, you can follow protocol by the book and things can go from A to Z in a matter of seconds. No one, not even a police officer can guarantee the actions of another person.

  • I know some stuff Dec 18, 4:59 p.m.

    I'm guessing that Bullseye's comment about concealed carry by a cop...was being facetious.

    American has gone nuts. Seems way too many people have guns, and there's too many nuts willing to use them. More guns is not the answer, and we can't legislate smarter people, so what's the answer?

  • BullsEye Dec 18, 4:56 p.m.

    He was involved with a traffic stop - which means he was more than likely on duty - which means he was more than likely carrying his gun. What difference would it make if it were concealed or not?
    hemerocallis
    December 18, 2012 4:32 p.m

    Just take a break. Get a drink of water. And think about what I wrote.

  • WooHoo2You Dec 18, 4:43 p.m.

    1911A1,

    -Durham already has registration on handguns in place.

    And?

    - Gun laws don't work .

    How often are fully automatic guns used in crimes within the US? Now if they were not so hard to get / not obscenely expensive due to current gun laws don’t you think they would be used more often and with more deadly results? (It only takes a few tiny pieces of metal to make the difference between a semi-auto and a full auto) It seems to be ‘working’ at some level.

    - You can blame an object all you want the problem is the criminals who keep being returned to the streets.

    Yeah, because the prisons are full of people serving “mandatory sentences” (mainly personal use drug charges) and we do not have the room for the real criminals who hurt and kill others so they get let out.

  • whoami Dec 18, 4:41 p.m.

    What a great point, BullsEye, since his open carry service weapon served him so well.

  • djofraleigh Dec 18, 4:40 p.m.

    I was just looking at the pictures of the "nasty area" everyone is refering,Doesn't look nasty to me. -- comment

    I thought this as a traffic stop, where the car pulled into the apartment lot??

  • djofraleigh Dec 18, 4:39 p.m.

    "It sure is funny how it didn't take 13 or 14 different officers being injured like those citizens on the tobacco trail for law officers to spring into action and find s suspect." comment

    How many have been shot on the trail? I'll also say that when LEOs are not safe, none of us are.

  • GETOUT Dec 18, 4:39 p.m.

    BullsEye...... What in the world are you talking about???? "Concealed Carry Permit".... What!!?!?!

  • hemerocallis Dec 18, 4:32 p.m.

    "If that cop had a concealed carry permit, this wouldn't have happened." BullsEye

    ??

    He was involved with a traffic stop - which means he was more than likely on duty - which means he was more than likely carrying his gun. What difference would it make if it were concealed or not?

  • dajones115b Dec 18, 4:30 p.m.

    Most of the weapons used in crimes are legally purchased before being used in a crime. All a criminal, gang or drug trafficking organization needs is to find someone with a clean record to purchase guns. Once they are legally purchased no one (and I mean no one) checks to see where it is or how it is being used.

  • dajones115b Dec 18, 4:27 p.m.

    327toy1992
    All the guns used Friday were "registered". Why don't you ask those parents if we need to worry about "registered" guns or not.

  • BullsEye Dec 18, 4:05 p.m.

    If that cop had a concealed carry permit, this wouldn't have happened.

  • working for deadbeats Dec 18, 3:47 p.m.

    "It sure is funny how it didn't take 13 or 14 different officers being injured like those citizens on the tobacco trail for law officers to spring into action and find s suspect."

    Wow....

    I'm glad the officer is going to be ok.

  • jblake1932 Dec 18, 3:46 p.m.

    Scubagirl: I totally agree!

  • dryjr Dec 18, 3:45 p.m.

    I was just looking at the pictures of the "nasty area" everyone is refering,Doesn't look nasty to me.

  • haleibc Dec 18, 3:16 p.m.

    It sure is funny how it didn't take 13 or 14 different officers being injured like those citizens on the tobacco trail for law officers to spring into action and find s suspect.

  • YA RECKON Dec 18, 3:14 p.m.

    They dont want gun control, what they want is complete worldwide gun eradication, which is totally impossible, but it makes them feel good to say it, get rid of guns and everyone will play nice, NOT, We need firearms for protection from the very people that refuse to play nice,

  • 1911A1 Dec 18, 3:00 p.m.

    Durham already has registration on handguns in place . Gun laws don't work . You can blame an object all you want the problem is the criminals who keep being returned to the streets. Lets cut welfare and other benefits to anyone who can't pass a drug screening lets start holding the person responsible for their actions instead of making it difficult for law abiding citizens to protect themselves.

  • Scubagirl Dec 18, 2:58 p.m.

    "Police, including the department's searched for the shooter for about three hours, before taking into custody a possible suspect shortly before 2 p.m."

    do you guys ever even READ what you expect us to???? You really should be able to do better than this.

  • Phyxius1 Dec 18, 2:44 p.m.

    Phyxius1, great point. So instead of just banning all guns in Durham, what say we ban all guns in North Carolina in order to keep them from bleeding into Durham as you rightly suggest?

    Unless you figure out how to keep a dome over Durham and every person is checked coming in and out for guns it would NEVER work... All counties made cocaine, crack, meth CS, weed and etc ILLEGAL and confiscate it when found but it never took care of the problem did it...Criminals are going to get what they need no matter what the laws are and innocent people get hurt in the process..

  • 327toy1992 Dec 18, 2:44 p.m.

    Gun control will be rediculous! Its rarely the "registered weapon" you have to worry about. Its all the "unregistered ones". You can make all guns illegal and they will still be here! They will still cause problems. You will have all the weapons carried by drug dealers and gang members (which are mostly not registered therefore illegal already by law), there will also be the illegal gun trade, immigrants, lawbreakers. Homemade firearms.

    A lock only keeps an honest person out...... same for guns, gun control only keeps honest people in check.

  • whoami Dec 18, 2:44 p.m.

    Folks are shooting because there is no bite in the law, mass situations aside. One guy shoots another guy, guy is minor wounded and ok. DA likely cuts deal to probation to spare taxpayer expense. I would much rather pay my tax dollars to lock criminals up versus the cost of that person being on the street. Crime should equal jail. Jail should equal punishment. Not all the TV stations you can watch, the gym to workout, the library to read, the computer to go online. Jail does not strike fear in folks anymore. Because our judiciary allows so many deals and bargains. The time for intervention is BEFORE you commit a crime. Not after. No free pass.

  • That Explains It Dec 18, 2:31 p.m.

    Phyxius1, great point. So instead of just banning all guns in Durham, what say we ban all guns in North Carolina in order to keep them from bleeding into Durham as you rightly suggest?

  • Phyxius1 Dec 18, 2:15 p.m.

    If we put a program in place to remove guns from Durham that would never work. The guns from surrounding counties would just flood in as well as the criminals carrying them. Durham requires all guns to be registered by law and are confiscated if they are not.ONLY IF FOUND. There are plenty of guns in the county that are not. How many surrounding counties require the same registration. With all the shootings in Raleigh lately I`m sure they would just take over for Durham even more.

  • whoami Dec 18, 2:05 p.m.

    Ok, as far as the Tobacco Trail, I am sick of hearing about it. Build a trail in a crime-ridden part of town, and go running at dark, and then act surprised when crime happens. Like a hot stove, if you touch it, you will get burned.

    As far as guns...this is not a debate about guns. This is about an officer doing his/her job every day, not knowing if they will come home to their family at the end of the shift. Is it so hard to just pray or send a well-wish for his recovery instead of picking up the drums and beating your cause while trampling through his blood?

    I am less concerned about guns, and more concerned with a public that wants instant details of every moment as a crime unfolds. And that the media satiates that need.

  • topfan4unc Dec 18, 1:51 p.m.

    Prayers out for this officer, his fellow officers and family and friends as this is so very traumatic for all involved.

  • topfan4unc Dec 18, 1:50 p.m.

    The police are not "required" to divulge every bit of information as to the suspect, vehicle registration and other bits of information. That is how they "investigate" and nothing in the law requires them to tell all you curious people. That is part of why it is so hard to try cases now in court. Too much information out there too quickly and the news media hounding to get more and more. Sad. The cops will investigate and hopefully the perp will be caught and severely punished. Or, the person could save the state and us taxpayers a lot of money........................

  • 68_dodge_polara Dec 18, 1:49 p.m.

    "What if we just get President Obama to ban guns in Durham as a start, and then see how that goes."

    Actually, It's already the law that in Durham County every hand gun must be registered. It's been on the books for like 90 years now and you can see where that has gotten us so far.

  • Common_Sensey Dec 18, 1:45 p.m.

    "If they'll shoot a cop, they'll shoot anybody."

    "Only if they have a gun......"

    Well, they're always going to have guns....

  • That Explains It Dec 18, 1:44 p.m.

    "If they'll shoot a cop, they'll shoot anybody."

    Only if they have a gun......

    ... in which case, if they didn't they would simply stab him.

  • That Explains It Dec 18, 1:43 p.m.

    irakydarb2, so if I understand you correctly, you are saying that it is wrong to generalize, to "broadly paint the entire city" but it is OK to generalize and say there are some "bad sections." Got it. They say consistency is the hobgoblin of mediocre minds. I guess you must truly embrace that rationalization.

  • Grand Union Dec 18, 1:32 p.m.

    "If they'll shoot a cop, they'll shoot anybody."

    Only if they have a gun......

  • That Explains It Dec 18, 1:29 p.m.

    What if we just get President Obama to ban guns in Durham as a start, and then see how that goes.

  • bombayrunner Dec 18, 1:27 p.m.

    hope the officer will be ok. beatings on the american tobacco trail, now a cop shot ... whats next?

  • beach2011 Dec 18, 1:21 p.m.

    THANK YOU SO MUCH runurse01 - I totally agree! God bless each and every one of them for trying to make life safer. Thank God if you don't like were you live - MOVE!

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