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kermit60 Dec 19, 9:49 a.m.
Providing mental health car cost money but probably would be better. Passing more gun laws doesn't cost much but probably wouldn't do much. Given the political corectness of our elected officials and the screaming of the Anti-Gun crowd which do you think will be pushed for?
peppercorns Dec 18, 5:38 p.m.
mental illness...he was already labeled autistic! Oh but that is different. No it is not. Call it what you will. If the brain does not function correctly, it is a mental illness. That means the person does not fall into the scope of what is considered normal. He needed treatment period, he didn't get it. You can point finger until you are blue in the face but it will not make a difference. We need to stop coddling our mentally ill and stop integrating them with society. More hospitals and more beds = less burdens on family, society and tax payers. It is cheaper to do that then all this other counseling stuff that doesn't seem to be working.
working for deadbeats Dec 18, 3:48 p.m.
Throw some money at it.....
hmbear32 Dec 18, 12:52 p.m.
It's not that easy. I am on Medicaid so it's a little easier, however when I was working, I had health insurance through my job. I was at the mercy of them. I think it was only 10 visits per year with a high copay. I couldn't afford that so I had to do without.
PracticalMagick Dec 18, 12:28 p.m.
billybob, I'm glad SOMEONE understood that. I didn't know what he was talking about.
The thing with finding other doctors or getting a different health care plan is that many are at the mercy of the VA/Tri-Care because and can't afford to run right out and pick up another plan. Others are doing well to make the premiums on their plans.
billybob72 Dec 18, 11:59 a.m.
blue is laffing, get your facts straight. The Democrats are responsible for closing 2 state mental hospitals and replacing them with 1, thus decreasing vital beds and putting that responsibility on local governments. It is good to hear that the triangle area has an entity with walk-in services, but in other areas, qualified help can be hard to find and more costly that in a state hospital bed. Cutting state beds was, in my opinion, a big mistake by the Democrats of years past.
charmcclainlovesdogs2 Dec 18, 11:50 a.m.
even with health insurance and most insurances only allow a certain amt of visits.
Find a better doctor and health care provider.
hmbear32 Dec 18, 11:49 a.m.
because they don't want to believe it's true. their child couldn't do that. their child is fine. nothing is wrong. I am a teacher and I see some kids that if they don't get help soon, they will be doing the same thing. Scary! But we can't really do much about it.
hmbear32 Dec 18, 11:46 a.m.
I just don't get it. I have been diagnosed with depression, however, when I go to ER for my real medical issues; asthma, pseudotumor cerebri, they don't think I have anything wrong. They want to blame it all on my depression. Once you have been diagnosed with a MI, that's all the medical prof see. Plus mental health care is so expensive, even with health insurance and most insurances only allow a certain amt of visits.
weasel2 Dec 18, 11:38 a.m.
Sure glad to see this story instead one saying all guns should be taken away. Its not guns that kill but the lunatic holding it.
charmcclainlovesdogs2 Dec 18, 11:37 a.m.
When families see the signs, then why in the world do they just ignore it and do nothing? These people need help and should not be cast away like it nothing.
gvmntcheese Dec 18, 11:10 a.m.
I am not sure how much tougher the laws can be right now without it really putting a burden on the everyday law abiding tax payer. Its not like you can just walk up in a 7-11 and buy any firearm of your choice. Also, let me direct your attention to history in what happens when you regulate something to death, say alcohol? More people died as a direct result of prohibition than when every drug was legal and really had no laws against them. It is easier for me to get a gun on the street than it is by the book. You can not say you are free on one end, then turn around and try to control every aspect of a life on the other.. It is rhetorical, childish and very transparent as to what the agenda is.
PracticalMagick Dec 18, 10:58 a.m.
ohmygosh Dec 18, 10:56 a.m.
Like any quick fix, prescribing "mental health care" is a knee-jirk reaction likely to fail. How do you identify those needing "help"? You can't screen everybody. Identifying someone as a "needs mental health" person (right or wrong diagnosis) has significant stigma and long term implications for them.
There is public perception that meds and talk therapy are magical cures when available. They aren't. This is not to say they can't be of some help. As for meds, they fail a large percentage. Can you blame those taking them for stopping when they feel much worse on the pills rather than off? The results of a UNC study which shows with the best of care those "refractory depressives" are helped only 50% of the time. The typical meds treatment by GP's produces single digit remissions.
No magic bullet. It comes down to cost vs benefit. The cost of "rather safe than sorry" is impossibly high
bluecharger Dec 18, 10:18 a.m.
oh nononono....we elected the 'Pubs to ruin-i mean to run our state for the next 4 years, which with new jerrymandering, might actually as well mean 8 or 12 or 16.....rub some dirt on it, walk it off, put yer big-boi panties on, they got bigger things to do, like raping the land and exploiting the poor and helping their buddies and don't BOTHER them with some weak-willed simpleton who doesn't know how to handle every stinking rule of our civilization crumbling around us
Vincent Vega Dec 18, 10:04 a.m.
The rate of antidepressant use has skyrocketed nearly 400% in the United States since the late 1980s when the first SSRI's went on the market. Before the introduction of Prozac in Dec. 1987, less than one percent of the population in the U
.S. was diagnosed with bipolar disorder – also known as manic depression. Now, with the widespread prescribing of antidepressants, the percent of the population in the United States that is diagnosed with bipolar disorder (swing from depression to mania or vice versa) has risen to 4.4% . This is almost one out of every 23 people in the U.S.
mayhem Dec 18, 10:04 a.m.
It's true that we need to do better by our mentally ill citizens, something that's been kicked to the curb over the last 20 years, especially in this state.
But let's not let the NRA change the subject. There also needs to be much tougher, sensible, common sense regulation of guns and ammunition. That's what the 2nd Amendment calls for.
PracticalMagick Dec 18, 9:54 a.m.
And let me strike my "middle class" description from the record. It shouldn't matter if they're low-middle-or hight class. Help should be available.
PracticalMagick Dec 18, 9:38 a.m.
The warning signs were there and hoping it would "work itself out" resulted fatally for a lot of people! WAKE UP NC!!!
Well said, cheese. ^5
PracticalMagick Dec 18, 9:37 a.m.
I have two friends that have some issues. One is well aware of them and has been working on getting help for herself (she got kind of discouraged when she called the suicide hotline and was put on hold for five minutes) but keeps hitting brick walls.
The other one has been hospitalized more times than I can mention and probably needs more help than she's getting.
How is it, in a modern society, that two middle class women cannot get the help that they need? One is in the civilian sector and one is going throught the VA.
Again, sorry...just my $0.02.
PracticalMagick Dec 18, 9:14 a.m.
"School shooting highlights need for more mental health care"
gvmntcheese Dec 18, 8:34 a.m.
When it comes to NC Mental Health, Talk is cheap!!! We have seen the detrimental action taking by our NC legislators over the years in regards to mental health. 2 weeks from now, it will be the same ole, same ole... More stringent mental health gangs, opps, I mean authorities... Get real NC! Do what is right before this happens here! The incident up north could have been avoided had the parents and his dr's been more vigilant! The warning signs were there and hoping it would "work itself out" resulted fatally for a lot of people! WAKE UP NC!!!
golorealist Dec 18, 8:14 a.m.
"EVERYTHING HAPPENS FOR A REASON.. HE KILLS HIS MOM,HE GOES TO MOMS WORK,WHERE HE HAD AN ARGUMENT,KILLS THE ONES HE HAD AN ARGUMENT WITH...ALA BAR CLUB SHOOTINGS.KILLS CHILDREN IN MOMS CLASS?????? GO FIGURE,,. " - uhavenoclu
uhavenoclu - you have most of your facts wrong. his mom didn't work at the school, he's not the person that had the argument at the school the day before, and since his mom didn't work at the school, he didn't kill the children in his mom's class.
COLT45 Dec 17, 7:53 p.m.
luvstoQ Dec 17, 7:10 p.m.
I just saw where the young man that did all the carnage at the school had been diagnosed earlier with a form of aspergers syndrone (autism). When his parents were going through their divorce in 2007-8 they made plans to take care of their son in the divorce papers.
Uhavenoclu Dec 17, 7:02 p.m.
Many think he had to be mentally ill to do what he did, but he was never clinically diagnosed.
Get real,that is coming from many who didn't know him...............EVERYTHING HAPPENS FOR A REASON..
HE KILLS HIS MOM,HE GOES TO MOMS WORK,WHERE HE HAD AN ARGUMENT,KILLS THE ONES HE HAD AN ARGUMENT WITH...ALA BAR CLUB SHOOTINGS.KILLS CHILDREN IN MOMS CLASS??????
Be kind to your relatives and family members and never trust the ones you think won't do any harm.
tsquaring Dec 17, 7:01 p.m.
This is the article that should be the headline story.
Barfly Dec 17, 6:20 p.m.
Mental health care? Psst, we're getting a destination park instead.
rdc42179 Dec 17, 6:20 p.m.
Sorry we can't help,you,the Gov turned it into a park
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03