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  • pedsRN Dec 19, 5:07 p.m.

    After all the incidents on the ATT this year, I question this jogger's judgment as @ 5:45PM, it is DARK at this time of year. The ATT has signs posted that the trail closes at dark. The portion of the trail that I used in 2011 did NOT have lights unless it was close to a residential area.

  • doggypoos Dec 19, 1:30 p.m.

    No one is allowed to carry a loaded weapon on the ATT. Hunters are allowed on the trail but can not shoot from the trail. That being said, You can have an unloaded weapon on the trail and a magazine. When trouble comes your way run off the trail while putting your mag in your weapon and defend yourself as the need arises. So if you are attacked get off the trail and then fire. Remember that just recently the Supreme court ruled that American citizens have a right to defend themselves.

  • driverkid3 Dec 19, 9:18 a.m.

    hangry::::It would be nice if these community leaders would become more vocal now before a shooting occurs. They could start raising issues like parental accountability and what resources are available for our youth.

    That does not fit their agenda at all. Think about it. How many times have you seen or heard any of these so-called community leaders try to help the youth? The Simmerman case is a perfect example. These folks ought to get off their duffs and work with the kids to teach them better. Obviously, the kids are not getting that at home.

  • driverkid3 Dec 19, 8:35 a.m.

    trianglerelic::::So long as the county bans LEGALLY Concealed Carry handguns, this will just continue to happen. The city prevents you and I from protecting ourselves against ciminals.

    Maybe one should ask the county attorney why they are giving free reign to the criminals? Why are they giving a silent OK for these punks to kill someone or do so much damage the victim might as well be dead? Maybe the folks that don't want CC there ought to be FORCED to walk it ALONE and without protection.

  • Das G Dec 18, 4:15 p.m.

    "I don't think the solution to strong arm robbery and assault is to kill them."

    That's exactly the solution.

  • pedsrndad Dec 18, 1:40 p.m.

    Make concealed carry completely permitted on the ATT and with only one or two self-defense episodes, I could almost guarantee an end to assaults on innocent people. These criminals think they can get away with anything without consequence but if they started to consider what might happen if they attack an armed citizen, they might take their "business" elsewhere.

  • lkahn1 Dec 18, 12:23 p.m.

    Mayor Bell & City Council can bury their heds in the sand all they want, but eventually they will have to admit that Durham has a crime AND gang problem. Denial isn't just a river in Eqypt!

  • hangry Dec 18, 11:40 a.m.

    as for why have the trail, trails like these promote healthy activities like walking, biking, etc.

    America is growing fatter and less healthy.

    The trend towards obesity is as bad or worse in our lower income communities.

    It is a good thing to build things like trails that promote healthy activities in the areas that need them the most.

  • hangry Dec 18, 11:38 a.m.

    If someone that does carry a weapon does indeed get attacked and shoot their attacker, there is a good chance there are community leaders that will come out of the woodwork and denounce the shooting.

    It would be nice if these community leaders would become more vocal now before a shooting occurs. They could start raising issues like parental accountability and what resources are available for our youth.

    It would be nice if that happened before someone is shot and killed rather than waiting till after.

  • twatkinsntp Dec 18, 11:32 a.m.

    @djofraleigh.....Really .....what do you suggest someone does when they are being attacked.....ask the attacker if he is going to kill and then respond in kind.....no....if someone is attackingy ou you defend yourself with all that you have.....you don't know if one puch or falling to the ground will kill you or not.....you shoot till there is nothing left to shoot.

  • twatkinsntp Dec 18, 11:26 a.m.

    Even if it is against the law to carry a firearm on the trail I would do it anyway......Better to be judged by 12 rather than carried by 6.

  • aetius476 Dec 18, 10:06 a.m.

    Stay off the trail. The city never should have built it through Durham. Use the nice part south of I-40.

  • stevee2 Dec 18, 9:47 a.m.

    Who in their right mind would use this trail? Until LEO makes an effort to correct this lawless situation, I would not get caught on it without being able to protect myself.

  • goalflinger Dec 18, 9:29 a.m.

    About the "Tobacco Trail" and other places like it. In other words, it's not all about the Tobacco Trail. This type of thing is happening in many places. Cleaning up the trail will only move it elsewhere. Did I hear a comment about shooting the offenders, CCW approach,etc. Well that will not work either unless you get all the perpretrators all in one place and shoot them all at the time. How rediculous. Here is something else just as rediculous sounding but very simple. I wrote about it in the 70's. "When the punishment starts fitting the crime, then crime will proportionately decrease." Everything else is a "pretend" solution. Living in a pretend world is a beautiful thing for awhile, but it has it's consequences.

  • Rebelyell55 Dec 18, 9:13 a.m.

    If you have fleas in your house you don't put up a sign saying "house infested with fleas". You try and get rid of the fleas. But the LEO are hindered in this effort because they don't want to be seen as "racial profiling" and possible tramping on someone civil rights.

  • Rebelyell55 Dec 18, 9:10 a.m.

    "Follow the Zimmerman example and stand your ground!"

    Tax Man
    December 17, 2012 7:57 p.m.____________________________________
    For one they would be arrested for use of excessive force. NC does not have a stand your ground law. Most likely never will either.

  • YA RECKON Dec 18, 9:07 a.m.

    This type off behavior exists because it is tolerated...

  • RandomCitizen Dec 18, 9:06 a.m.

    I carry a concealed weapon for a reason. Maybe you can't carry one on this trail, I don't know. Still, you don't go and put yourself in harms way if you don't have to. With 14 crimes being reported in this area over the last year, then why go jogging or walking down it by yourself? You can't eliminate all potential criminal situations from your life but you can be smart about your decisions so that you don't make yourself a target. At least don't make yourself an easy target as this fellow did.

  • delta29alpha Dec 18, 8:40 a.m.

    "why not put up cameras along the trail?"

    They will probabably just steal or destroy the camera.

  • SailbadTheSinner Dec 18, 8:23 a.m.

    “I don't think the solution to strong arm robbery and assault is to kill them.”

    I’m not sure that I agree….

    Some life-decisions are a form of Natural Selection. I think that committing strong arm robbery and/or assault should have immediate and very serious consequences for the perpetrator.

    STS

  • jacksun48 Dec 18, 8:11 a.m.

    The County should post warning signs on the trail entering this area like - "Entering Crime Infested Area - Proceed At Your Own Risk". Or, "Danger - Entering Area Infested With Criminals".

  • Tax Man Dec 17, 7:57 p.m.

    You know, if he had his ccw permit there would be a few teens in the hospital instead, or perhaps deceased - but a much better outcome. Viking416 is wrong, because these punks cannot punch you out when your draw on them and keep your distance. But if these young gang bangers know the regular citizen can be armed and will fight back they will go back to breaking into unattended candy and soda machines for the nickels, dimes and quarters! Follow the Zimmerman example and stand your ground!

  • oldrebel Dec 17, 7:51 p.m.

    Why was this trail even opened through such a crime infested area? And then people act surprised when the predators smell fresh game coming down the trail.

  • Rebelyell55 Dec 17, 7:47 p.m.

    I guess since he don't know how many teens, or what race they are or any other description, it could been aliens. It may of been an abduction gone bad.

  • RKBA Dec 17, 7:33 p.m.

    "People who carry concealed weapons do so for a reason, and that is because they are afraid of something taking control of them, and those people are not likely to venture out on a walking path where crimes are "

    Nice conjecture, but baseless.

    I carry whenever I'm in downtown Raleigh. I don't avoid life because of some thuuuugs, but I do even the odds.

  • ttomalee Dec 17, 7:21 p.m.

    Do we have a description of the attackers?

  • mikelynn2003 Dec 17, 7:14 p.m.

    What race were the attackers? It's amazing that it takes 7 "men" to beat up on 1 older man. Too bad he didn't have a "45"!!!

  • jblake1932 Dec 17, 6:54 p.m.

    Shoulda had a .45, it would have turned out different.

  • Shadow666 Dec 17, 6:51 p.m.

    Ban fists!

  • djofraleigh Dec 17, 6:49 p.m.

    People who carry concealed weapons do so for a reason, and that is because they are afraid of something taking control of them, and those people are not likely to venture out on a walking path where crimes are happening. It's the innocent minded who do so and they are viewed by predators as victims.

    I don't think the solution to strong arm robbery and assault is to kill them.

  • The2ruthHurts Dec 17, 6:42 p.m.

    Protect yourself folks. Help will come when you need it. But until then, you are responsible to protect your own hide. Do not rely on others to be there. The cops can't be everywhere every time. And use some common sense...geez.

  • Plum Tuckered Dec 17, 6:41 p.m.

    A gang of seven on the attack? It takes seven 'men' to take on one person on the trail?

    So what's the per-capita take on that, fellas? Five bucks, maybe ten if you hit a jackpot jogger carrying a wad-o-cash? Is it worth your effort, or is this some gang thing, and if so, why seven-on-one?

  • Hans Dec 17, 6:36 p.m.

    Kind of hard to garner up much sympathy for the folks that continue to go on this trail.

  • mmtlash Dec 17, 6:07 p.m.

    it's after dark at 545....why would you go jogging along that trail or any other greenway type trail in the area alone after dark?

  • dsdaughtry Dec 17, 6:02 p.m.

    why not put up cameras along the trail? All we have heard from the media is that Durham has stepped up patrols. Yet we continue to hear of assault crimes coming from Durham. Another suggestion is for Durham County Sheriff and the Durham Police Department should merge to become the newly formed Durham County Police. Maybe its Durham that needs an overhaul?

  • ListentoMeNow Dec 17, 6:00 p.m.

    I have a surprise for this group of losers if they try to jump me the next time I'm over there. If a few of them get put in the hospital then maybe they'll think twice about their actions.

  • tarheelfan41 Dec 17, 5:59 p.m.

    It's 6pm.. and dark outside..Do you know where your teen kids are?....guessing this group of kids parents don't..!..and probably don't care either.

    Big Mike
    Yeah, they do. That's the worse part!

  • tarheelfan41 Dec 17, 5:57 p.m.

    Police investigate AFTER you are beaten and mugged, a concealed weapon will PREVENT you from being beaten and robbed. Remember, police are only minutes away when seconds count!

  • RKBA Dec 17, 5:56 p.m.

    Too bad the victim wasn't able to defend himself with a handgun.

    I stay out of Durham just for this reason.

  • talkglock Dec 17, 5:54 p.m.

    I must admit I've looked at their web site and don't see were it says legal (ccw) carry of weapons are not allowed. Point me to a link.

    I'd start thinking about taking ATT folks to court, I get hurt, well see you in court since you didn't provide adequate protection/safety for me. I bet things would change real quick then.

  • Durham parent Dec 17, 5:46 p.m.

    We saw 4 police patrols on Sunday afternoon. First time in a while that we have seen them. Best thing to do if you want to protect yourself is know how to shoot and concealed carry. Police can't be everywhere all the time and so far they haven't been in the right place to stop one of these attacks.

  • westernwake1 Dec 17, 5:44 p.m.

    It is time of the police to use some 'decoys' and start making some arrests. They alread know the time of day these criminal youths rob people on this trail and the approximate location(s). Set up a sting and lock up the varmints.

  • Big Mike Dec 17, 5:39 p.m.

    It's 6pm.. and dark outside..Do you know where your teen kids are?....guessing this group of kids parents don't..!..and probably don't care either.

  • Lamborghini Mercy Dec 17, 5:37 p.m.

    If you have to use this trail I'd advise traveling in groups of 3 or more and carrying mace and a knife. I personally would not use this trail due to the high number of incidences and no arrests.

  • ABNBAMAFAN Dec 17, 5:35 p.m.

    Concealed Carry and then perhaps it is a story how "innocent teens" got shot.

  • tiffanyruth Dec 17, 5:26 p.m.

    Why do people still run on this trail, it is obviously not safe. I agree with letting ccp allowed, it usually deters crimimals since they love hurting other people, but don't want to get hurt themselves.

  • eagle11 Dec 17, 5:21 p.m.

    If you can't conceal carry. Are you allowed to open carry an unloaded weapon?

  • djofraleigh Dec 17, 5:17 p.m.

    Patrols should go back to quiet bicycles and single rides to cover twice the area, not doubling up or using loud ATVs.

    Maybe trail use should be by permit only, with a fee to pay for security, so everyone on the trail is identified and those not can be pushed off it?

  • Buford T. Justice Dec 17, 5:17 p.m.

    How could anyone be surprised that attacks happen on this trail?

  • djofraleigh Dec 17, 5:13 p.m.

    avoid strangers or groups of strangers -- police advice

    Like sinbad commented...they are all strangers!

    How do you avoid strangers on park land?

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