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ncwebguy Dec 18, 7:17 p.m.
If you think you're paying 9 cents a mile, or $2.70/gallon assuming 30 mpg, in gas taxes, no one can help you. No one.
$20 million in gas tax dollars go to pay for this road to keep the costs lower. Assuming 100,000 people live there (which they don't) this is $200 in gas taxes per person, per year. Plus "their" NC 55 widening/bypass up to souther Durham, "their" US 1 expansion through Cary, etc. -- the rest of the Triangle is covering the difference for people who have only beeen paying in for a few years.
The 1989 increase was for two-lanes-in-each direction loops around Charlotte and a few other cities. Republicans demanded more loops to be added (Ashville, Wilmington, Fayetville, Wilson/Kinston 795) and more lanes added to Charlotte, Greensboro, and Raleigh. And didn't raise taxes one dime to pay for any of it.
The GOP raided the general fund for sales tax on vehicles and capped the gas tax to force cities and counties to raise taxes to maintain state roads.
simplelogic Dec 18, 2:04 p.m.
I suspect the main users of this road will be professionals who work in RTP and live in Holly Springs or Fuquay. Those folks can afford it, and being able to avoid the hwy 55 parking lot will be well worth it. As for new development in Holly Springs - it's already started.
goozleboy Dec 18, 10:44 a.m.
@ "It boggles my mind that our government can somehow justify tolling only this one community in the whole state. But avoiding it makes no sense. You'll spend the same or more with all the stopping/starting on hwy 55...not to mention the extra wear/tear on your car. So you're wasting a lot more time to get to/from work, for no financial gain."
Avoiding this troll road makes plenty of sense based on principle alone. Take a stand for something or be doomed to fall for anything. The road can rot as far as I am concerned. Merry Christmas!
ginny159 Dec 18, 10:22 a.m.
just in time for the apocalypse! allow those HollySprings folks to run up 540 in order to travel west to avoid the natural disasters!
lisamgw Dec 18, 10:20 a.m.
cantstandgoloanymore Dec 18, 10:08 a.m.
SailbadTheSinner - your senses are calibrated enough to know if a road is >7% less well maintained for an entire state. Wow. Please explain how you would know if they are >7% less well maintained. I'm guessing that you took into account that Virginia has 18% less road miles than North Carolina.
Frank Downtown Dec 18, 9:52 a.m.
I would use it because it saves so much time!
The Anti Hans Dec 18, 9:40 a.m.
yesimagirl: I agree entirely. I have never used the toll road, and as long as it's a toll road I never will.
baldchip Dec 18, 9:38 a.m.
You'll enjoy it!!
yesimagirl Dec 18, 9:27 a.m.
Yay we get ot pay for OUR section of the road while north Raleigh users don't have to pay for theirs- even though we pay the same taxes....Ahem...I don't think so. I shall avoid it entirely.
Flyswatter Dec 18, 8:55 a.m.
I love avoiding 40 at all costs!!!
SailbadTheSinner Dec 18, 8:17 a.m.
I went up to Richmond this weekend to visit the VA Museum of Fine Arts – nice place, BTW….
I couldn’t help but notice that the gas prices dropped by about $0.20/gallon just across the state line….
I also noticed that the overall quality of the roads didn’t seem to drop by a corresponding amount….
Kinda makes you wonder just what NC’s doing with the money, doesn’t it?
neverindoubt Dec 17, 7:47 p.m.
YES! My commute between Chapel Hill and Apex just got even quicker!
have you tried Hwy 751? Hwy 64? taking Farrington Rd out of CH into Chatham Cty? there are some incredibly beautiful back roads between CH and Apex. Drive between the two all the time but never get on 540.
cjw6105 Dec 17, 7:41 p.m.
No road that I know of has ever been built with toll money. The new 540 toll road in Wake County is being built with taxpayer money, like all other roads, and this money will never be paid back. What little toll money is generated will be used just to operate the tolling costs and little else. I'd bet that most if not all of the upkeep of the new 540 will be paid for the same way the highway was built- with taxpayer dollars.
If common sense could have prevailed, the elimination of the 2-lane NC55 underpass of the CSX RR in Apex would have been the one cost-effective thing that could've been done to ease traffic congestion in that area. That would have been bazillions of bucks cheaper to fix than building a 6-lane 18-mile freeway.
So now we're being told that Holly Springs will explode with growth along this new highway when it opens Thursday. If you want to see how toll roads spur growth, get on the I-77 turnpike through West Virginia. Great for the toll plazas, but nothing else.
Stilllearnin Dec 17, 6:54 p.m.
"If there were no tolls at all, these roads wouldn't have been built for decades." Lone Voice in the Wilderness
Please explain how the northern sections were built without tolls and with my tax money!
common tater Dec 17, 6:09 p.m.
It boggles my mind that our government can somehow justify tolling only this one community in the whole state. But avoiding it makes no sense. You'll spend the same or more with all the stopping/starting on hwy 55...not to mention the extra wear/tear on your car. So you're wasting a lot more time to get to/from work, for no financial gain.
oleguy Dec 17, 5:35 p.m.
If you think about it every road in NC is a toll road, we p[ay about 9 cents per mile for every mile we drive,, plus car taxes, So on I 40 at 60 cars a min. running 60MPH , thats uh, let me take my shoes off ,, naught plus , thats 5.40 per min for every mile or 324.00 per hour, per mile, X 24 HR,, 8776.00 per mile per day,,,877,600.00 per day to wilmington,, winter days a little less, but summer weekends Whew,, dont have enough fingers and toes to compute, Thats just gas taxes, does not include tires, food and all the stuff you spend along the way...
cjw6105 Dec 17, 4:59 p.m.
I don't think Republicans are the ones who have brought toll roads to North Carolina and most other states that have them.
Lone Voice in the Wilderness Dec 17, 4:16 p.m.
If there were no tolls at all, these roads wouldn't have been built for decades.
lglduck Dec 17, 4:10 p.m.
YES! My commute between Chapel Hill and Apex just got even quicker!
Scubagirl Dec 17, 4:08 p.m.
I have yet to get on the toll section of 540 and doubt I'll be getting on this either. I exited off 540 just before the toll began and there was not one car on the toll section in either direction that I could see. Guess some are using it but .....
mattcli Dec 17, 4:06 p.m.
The bait and switch continues! What part of the original outer loop proposal mentioned anything about 3/4 of it being tolled? I sure don't recall anything of the sort until after north Raleigh got their fully subsidized gift from the rest of the taxpayers. I guess they're just special and the rest of Wake Co. is not.
koolbike1 Dec 17, 3:57 p.m.
Tolls stink, and now thanks to Garner for holding up the development of the rest of 540, federal funding will be lost and the tolls will only get worst.
whatelseisnew Dec 17, 3:56 p.m.
"I hope it gets used more than the rest of it. I have been on tolled 540 twice and one of those times I didn't see another car on my side for the whole time I was on there. I drove by it another time on 40 at the height of 5:00pm traffic and 1 out of 30 cars would turn on it..."
I hope almost no one uses the tolled portion of the road. It is time for the taxpayers to start defending their wallets and purses.
whatelseisnew Dec 17, 3:55 p.m.
And once again the State rips off the taxpayer.
"Should have never been a toll road. Nice that the folks in North Raleigh get this level of service without having to directly pay..."
ALL of us have been paying 6 cents extra per gallon since 1989. that is a direct payment and it continues even now. Users of the toll section are being ripped off, but the solution is simple. Do not use the road. Demand that your Senator and your representative get on board with eliminating both the tolls and the extra six cents per gallon. We have paid in more than enough to cover the FULl COST of 540.
hp277 Dec 17, 3:51 p.m.
"The third and final leg..."
What a joke. The "final leg" will be the one that connects to I-40 in Garner.
hp277 Dec 17, 3:49 p.m.
"Final leg"? Right.
The "final leg" will be the one that connects to I-40 near Garner and Clayton.
Phyxius1 Dec 17, 3:41 p.m.
I hope it gets used more than the rest of it. I have been on tolled 540 twice and one of those times I didn't see another car on my side for the whole time I was on there. I drove by it another time on 40 at the height of 5:00pm traffic and 1 out of 30 cars would turn on it...
timmytim Dec 17, 3:37 p.m.
Should have never been a toll road. Nice that the folks in North Raleigh get this level of service without having to directly pay...
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03