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  • mep Dec 14, 7:35 p.m.

    Liberals seem afraid of this. E.J Graff wrote just two weeks ago, "If the court does take up Perry, be afraid, be very afraid. Almost no one believes the Supreme Court is ready to get out ahead of American opinion on the question at Perry's heart: Do same-sex couples have a fundamental right to marry under the U.S. Constitution?"
    Linda Hirschman, author of the triumphalist book on gay rights "Victory," worries at The New Republic that the Olson and Boies strategy "may backfire". Adam Serwer at Mother Jones called the risks of loss "very great," saying Roberts and Kennedy (the two swing justices) are likely to decide that "finding a right of same-sex couples to be free of discrimination amounts to 'forcing' same-sex marriage on everyone else."

  • dwntwnboy Dec 14, 7:03 p.m.

    Crumps- my comment was in response to the "love it or move" type comments. I personally dont care about people making a big deal about coming out and i dont go around waving a rainbow flag. Im glad you agree we are no different than anyone else- thats exactly what we want!! If more people had that attitude, we wouldnt have some of the issues we have now. Live and let live is a wonderful motto.

  • welfarequeen Dec 14, 6:21 p.m.

    If we are not supposed to care that you are gay to begin with why are we supposed to care that you came out? You want to be treated equally, act equally, you are no more important than me or the next guy in the big picture. crumpssister

    Good! So when gay folks kiss in public like straight folks do and have photo's of their loved ones on their desk and talk about their travel plans and their adopted children you can sit back and shut up. After all they are no more important than the next guy, just like you. Get used to it cowgirl

  • Scubagirl Dec 14, 6:10 p.m.

    "Justice....we all know this was the right thing. ncouterbanks69"

    There is NOTHING right OR just about amendment 1. I, like many others, are still waiting for someone to logically state WHY and HOW gay marriage affects them personally. Don't thump your bible w/ an answer, but I sure would like to know.

  • Crumps Br0ther Dec 14, 5:44 p.m.

    We aren't going anywhere buddy- get used to is, the gays are here to stay!!!
    dwntwnboy

    Ok thats all fabulous but let me ask you a question, if you wanted to be treated like everyone else why are we supposed to make a big deal about it when you "come out?" Why should you get a pat on the back for being who you are? And the only reason I ask is whenever a celebrity comes out they make a big to do about it. If we are not supposed to care that you are gay to begin with why are we supposed to care that you came out? You want to be treated equally, act equally, you are no more important than me or the next guy in the big picture.

  • welfarequeen Dec 14, 5:39 p.m.

    History is a much better predictor of the future than people's wants or wishes. That's rational thinking. Agreed ncouterbanks69

    And the Supreme Court is "historically " known for expanding rights as opposed to restricting them, esp. once they have already been granted like the legal marriage in CA. before they were voted down. Get ready!

  • anti-Hans Dec 14, 5:07 p.m.

    If a hetero couple is shacking up, they do NOT get the married tax benefits you speak of. Only married couples get that tax benefit. So stop already.

  • ncouterbanks69 Dec 14, 4:12 p.m.

    History is a much better predictor of the future than people's wants or wishes. That's rational thinking.

    Agreed

  • dwntwnboy Dec 14, 4:03 p.m.

    "Gay and lesbians couples don't have rights in NC"- the only "right" we don't have at the moment is marriage and that too will change. We aren't going anywhere buddy- get used to is, the gays are here to stay!!!

  • dwntwnboy Dec 14, 4:02 p.m.

    "We won, you gays and lesbians lost. Get over it or move on"- NO! I was born here and will stay and fight for what is right and fair. We won't go away, we won't back down and we won't be quiet about it until we get the equality under the law that other legally recognized couples get. No more, no less. If you don't like to hear about gays or gays rights- then YOU move because the fight is just getting started and we won't be quiet about it. Yes, you won ONE vote here. We will work as hard as we can to overturn that as well. You are going to hear about gay rights for LONG LONG time- get over it yourself. We aren't going anywhere and there is NOTHING you can do about it. You have to live around gays, work with gays, have doctors and nurses that are gay, teachers teaching your children that are gay, pilots flying the plane you are in, soldiers protecting you and your rights to try and discriminate that are gay- we are everywhere and aren't going anywhere.

  • Mon Account Dec 14, 3:24 p.m.

    "I'm more than confident that the courts and eventually the people will side with equality over religious superstition on this topic.

    That is because you want this overturned. If you use rational thought you know the statement you were responding to is correct."
    ncouterbanks69

    History is a much better predictor of the future than people's wants or wishes. That's rational thinking.

  • gnewsome1 Dec 14, 3:24 p.m.

    I voted FOR amendment one along with the vast majority of other good folk in NC. We won, you gays and lesbians lost. Get over it or move on.

  • dwntwnboy Dec 14, 3:22 p.m.

    "this nonsense has nothing to do with equality"- if you were one of the people being taxed at a higher rate because you were gay, you would see the difference. You don't see it because it doesn't affect you. Why should a gay, legally married couple pay a tax that a straight, legally married couple doesn't have to pay when one of them dies? It's NOT fair, it's NOT equal and should be stopped. There is no valid reason for it. Straight married couples aren't taxed any differently, why should gay couples?

  • gnewsome1 Dec 14, 3:19 p.m.

    Gay and lesbians couples don't have rights in NC. If you don't like it, get out and find a gay and lesbian state, if one exists.

  • anti-Hans Dec 14, 3:00 p.m.

    Where does one draw the line? If you allow gay marriage between consenting adults, why not allow marriage to several consenting adults? Why not allow marriage to consenting brothers/sisters? Or other consenting adults within a family?

  • ncouterbanks69 Dec 14, 2:48 p.m.

    "I do not have equality.....no one does"- what are you trying to say? You have rights that married, gay couples DON'T have.

    I do as far as marriage goes yes. But we are FAR from equal outside of that as well. I can't smoke in a bar...even if the bar was owned by a smoker and he/she wanted it to be a smoking bar. Now that is lame and takes away smokers rights. Now you may not smoke so you will say oh but it hurts others. Well not if they don't come to that bar. The huge inequality is the lazy entitlement society that exists today both straight and gay. They live off the work of others so how in the heck is that equal? We are not a society full of equals so what makes this one so special? It is not except to those it will benefit, just like my examples below. Until there is more equality (true equality) in this country this needs to remain as is.

  • whatelseisnew Dec 14, 2:31 p.m.

    "If you use rational thought"- rational thought is what is overturning these silly bans and allowing people to get the equality they deserve."

    this nonsense has nothing to do with equality.

  • whatelseisnew Dec 14, 2:31 p.m.

    "The people of NC have spoken and no judge will overturn the voice of the people. Period"

    Sadly, that is not true.

  • dwntwnboy Dec 14, 2:05 p.m.

    "I do not have equality.....no one does"- what are you trying to say? You have rights that married, gay couples DON'T have. How is THAT right? They pay into the system just like you and should be protected in just the same way. This arbitrary denial of protection of property and choices doesn't serve the nation in any way that is helpful. It only divides and creates problems that shouldn't be there. If a couple is legally married in ANY state, it should be legal in any other state. That's being fair- we honor driver's licenses and straight marriages- why not other things. Some states even honor CCPs with no problems. We can protect the right to a concealed weapon but not to loving couples...what have we become? At the national level, we should ALL be equal. If you are married in Maryland, that marriage is just as valid as one performed in Utah- as it should be, and the federal government has no valid, legitimate reason to deny equal protection of those marriages.

  • New Creature Dec 14, 1:39 p.m.

    Jesus does not endorse sin, which includes a lot. Even my bad thoughts.

  • New Creature Dec 14, 1:36 p.m.

    Will be glad to explain the bible with someone. Levitical law was for the Nation of Israel. You should only quote God when you understand the contexts. We must handle it rightly. Please read Romans one entirely to understand. New testament commentary is suggested. Perhaps John MacArthur.

    Don't shoot the messenger.

  • ncouterbanks69 Dec 14, 1:31 p.m.

    those of you who were dumb enough to vote for Amendment One also hurt straight couples in domestic partnerships.

    LOL....still sore are we? Domestic partnerships are scams trying to milk more money out of the government. No need for them either. Get married (even if "gay"), don't get married whatever. The great people (well some of us) of NC voted and we all know the landslide it was. Get over it. I am already over Obama having another four years and that is what we need to talk about if you want to talk about "d" voters.

  • working for deadbeats Dec 14, 1:29 p.m.

    "Let my taxes stop supporting the lazy then we can talk equality." ncouterbanks69

    Exactly!!!!

  • dwntwnboy Dec 14, 1:22 p.m.

    "I cannot and will not support homosexuality"- no one is asking you to support what people are. Just to stand out of the way of equality. As far as insurance goes, it's none of your business or anyone elses. If they qualify for it, then they do. Gays don't get to opt out of paying for straight couples at the state level, yet you want to be able to deny others while having those you deny pay for YOU- do you not see how silly that sounds?

  • dwntwnboy Dec 14, 1:20 p.m.

    " I'd be forced to pay (through my taxes) benefits due to a relationship that I find morally wrong"- and you wouldn't notice any increase in your taxes any more than all the gay people that have to pay for straight people's benefits. Now if we can have a gay exception- so that gays don't have to pay for schools or benefits for straights, then you MIGHT have an arguement...but as it stands you have nothing but crying and wringing of hands with no proof that this would cost you or anyone else any more than what we ALL pay into the system. Why should gays pay into a system they get no benefits from ? Explain that to the tens of thousands of us gays that work, pay our taxes (and benefits for straight couples) and just want what everyone else has- a shot, a chance, a grasp at the golden ring of happiness that other's take for granted why gays shouldn't have that right.

  • atheistswillrule Dec 14, 1:20 p.m.

    If homosexuals want to live together and call themselves married, I'm not going to stop them. But don't force me to pay for their insurance if they're state employees. I cannot and will not support homosexuality. albegadeep

    Oh, on the contrary. You WILL support homosexuality when the Supreme Court ultimately rules for marriage equality. It might not be next year, but I assure you that in the next few years you will pay your fair share, just as everyone else does for the benefit of society. I don't like paying for some ignorant bigot's child to go to school, but I do, because hopefully that child will become informed and learn to respect equality. I'm not gay, but I have a gay brother ( he is legally married in DC) I assure you that the change is coming, even to the South.

  • ncouterbanks69 Dec 14, 1:19 p.m.

    I will also add those of you who were dumb enough to vote for Amendment One also hurt straight couples in domestic partnerships.

    LOL...the dumb ones votes against it.

  • ncouterbanks69 Dec 14, 1:17 p.m.

    "If you use rational thought"- rational thought is what is overturning these silly bans and allowing people to get the equality they deserve.

    I do not have equality.....no one does. Fix the real problems to where that is actually possible and then there is an argument. Until then it is the right thing to do and it will remain in place as we both really know.

  • atheistswillrule Dec 14, 1:14 p.m.

    I always find it surprising that christians focus so much on homosexuality when the bible has so many other rules. According the bible "god" gave the 10 commandments, correct? The very same commandments you want in schools, courthouses etc. Those must be "god's" most important laws. No mention of gays there. But you know what the 10 commandments does contain, as commandment #2! People seem to think the second commandment says you aren't supposed to make a graven image of God, and that's it. But you are not to make any graven images of anything in heaven, in the earth, or in the water. This would include no graven images of fish, moles, worms, birds, shrimp, ants, and all sorts of things. One must wonder why God was so worried about these things that he felt the need to put these ahead of murder and stealing. I mean "god" put importance on this, why are fundamentalists not burning museums to the ground? Jesus NEVER mentioned gays by the way.

  • welfarequeen Dec 14, 1:08 p.m.

    Romans 1:25-32 ESV sonny66

    Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)
    Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)
    Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9)
    People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17)
    Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)

    This shows you that it really is scary that people want to make the Bible part of the law. Not to mention it sheds light on why Christians are so overly oppressive to those who don't share their belief. Sick, sick, sick. It can also be said that any person who uses the Bible to justify beating a homosexual, is a hypocrite if he doesn't adhere to all of these laws.

  • Ken D. Dec 14, 1:07 p.m.

    "On the contrary. As a taxpayer who believes that gay marriage is wrong, if it was legalized, then I'd be forced to pay (through my taxes) benefits due to a relationship that I find morally wrong. It certainly does affect me!" albegadeep

    Are you saying that if I find marriage between Christians to be morally wrong, I shouldn't have to pay taxes that benefit their relationships?

  • albegadeep Dec 14, 1:05 p.m.

    Atheistswillrule, do you actually have a counter-argument? Or just name-calling?

    If homosexuals want to live together and call themselves married, I'm not going to stop them. But don't force me to pay for their insurance if they're state employees. I cannot and will not support homosexuality.

  • atheistswillrule Dec 14, 12:58 p.m.

    On the contrary. As a taxpayer who believes that gay marriage is wrong, if it was legalized, then I'd be forced to pay (through my taxes) benefits due to a relationship that I find morally wrong. It certainly does affect me! albegadeep

    How very charitable of you. And you wonder why fundamentalist bigots get such a bad name.

  • New Creature Dec 14, 12:57 p.m.

    Romans 1:25-32 ESV

    because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things

  • jgilchr Dec 14, 12:54 p.m.

    I will also add those of you who were dumb enough to vote for Amendment One also hurt straight couples in domestic partnerships.

  • jgilchr Dec 14, 12:53 p.m.

    It may not impact the horrid amendment, but it may show how backwards we still are in NC.

  • albegadeep Dec 14, 12:47 p.m.

    "[Gay marriage] doesn't affect any of you who oppose it." Welfare is a trap

    On the contrary. As a taxpayer who believes that gay marriage is wrong, if it was legalized, then I'd be forced to pay (through my taxes) benefits due to a relationship that I find morally wrong. It certainly does affect me!

  • atheistswillrule Dec 14, 12:41 p.m.

    The overwhelming majority of people who oppose marriage equality say that they do so for " religious" reasons. Fortunately we do have separation of church and state in our nation. The Supreme Court will rule in Mrs. Windsor's favor. She was a legally wed woman who was taxed at a higher rate than her legally married heterosexual counterparts. That is injustice. They will also rule in favor of the overturning of prop 8 in California. 1000's of couples who had been granted legal marriage by the courts had their rights denied by a vote. With California free to marry, along with the other 9 states and DC, 1/3 of Americans will then live in states that respect marriage equality. The other states laws will soon be struck down after that as unconstitutional, as they should be.

  • ncouterbanks69 Dec 14, 12:36 p.m.

    Let the people love and get married! You don't like gay marriage, don't get married to a gay. Other than that, how about keeping your nose in your own business, baby!

    Let my taxes stop supporting the lazy then we can talk equality.

  • dwntwnboy Dec 14, 12:35 p.m.

    "If you use rational thought"- rational thought is what is overturning these silly bans and allowing people to get the equality they deserve. Rational thought says that two people getting married and having that relationship recognized by their government harms no one and changes nothing in the fabric of this great nation, it only makes us stronger. There is NO valid state reason to deny equality to gays- none. They can't use the "protect the children" arguement because you don't HAVE to have children to get married. They can't use the "traditional christian" line either- you don't have to be christian or religious at all to be married, nor married in a church for it to be legal in the eyes of the law. This was and still remains just a mean spirited attempt to keep those that are different from gaining equality- nothing more, nothing less. It has the same validity as the anti-racial marriage laws. It serves no public good at all, it divides us for no reason at all.

  • cjw6105 Dec 14, 12:35 p.m.

    Unlikely to impact? Not until a judge rules otherwise. The will of the voters don't mean nothin' to these self-declared intellects.

  • ncouterbanks69 Dec 14, 12:27 p.m.

    I'm more than confident that the courts and eventually the people will side with equality over religious superstition on this topic.

    That is because you want this overturned. If you use rational thought you know the statement you were responding to is correct.

  • ncouterbanks69 Dec 14, 12:26 p.m.

    Justice....we all know this was the right thing.

  • Ken D. Dec 14, 12:21 p.m.

    Conservatives understand that this is a battle they will ultimately lose, just like every other battle they have fought over the centuries. They are just trying to delay the inevitable for as long as possible.

  • dwntwnboy Dec 14, 12:19 p.m.

    "It won't be changed in my lifetime"- I'm willing to take that bet...unless you plan or passing on in the next 4-6 years :-) I'm more than confident that the courts and eventually the people will side with equality over religious superstition on this topic.

  • working for deadbeats Dec 14, 12:18 p.m.

    Gay marriage doesn't affect me at all in any way, shape, or form. It doesn't affect any of you who oppose it. Banny gay marriage doesn't stop people from being in gay relationships either. It wouldn't bother me in the least for gays to get married in NC and I voted against #1. I just wish they respected my private property rights, but equality only goes one way I guess. Oh...psst...I'm a Conservative with a dash of Libertarian.

  • tarheelgrad1998 Dec 14, 12:16 p.m.

    So, basically, opponents to the bill were making stuff up to try to prevent its passage. Too much of that garbage is going on around our legislature.

  • therebemonsters Dec 14, 11:57 a.m.

    "'It was very much worthwhile," Stam said. "The principle problem at which it was directed was there were numerous state courts in other states that found a right for same-sex marriage in their constitutions. This stops that for North Carolina."

    I find it so ironic that the party most interested in "defending freedom" is also the most interested in defining that "freedom." I agree that equality will come to NC - we have always been the "New South" state - and we will prove it (eventually) once again, I am sure.

  • welfarequeen Dec 14, 11:53 a.m.

    Let the people love and get married! You don't like gay marriage, don't get married to a gay. Other than that, how about keeping your nose in your own business, baby!

  • DeathRow-IFeelYourPain-NOT Dec 14, 11:51 a.m.

    "Amendment One will be on the books for a long time."

    It won't be changed in my lifetime. And I doubt it will be changed in my children's or grandchildren's lifetime.

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