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davidtew2005 Dec 17, 6:33 p.m.
Yet again we find ourselves under the thumb of the feds. The original route from years ago had the design that was aproved and also forced land owners from being able to develope their property. If the original route is not used who will make up the loss of income these people could have had but were denied the ability to do so for these many years? So some one has to spend money considering the red route, which will not ever be used anyway just to kiss up to the feds. Maybe NC shcould just declare themselves an independant state and tell the feds to shove it!!
oleguy Dec 13, 5:11 p.m.
Let the chinese build it, it their money,,
NC_interest Dec 13, 4:24 p.m.
At the end of the day, houses will leveled , people will be displaced and other items will happen.
the 540 toll/route is needed for econmic growth that will benefit all. The alternative is gridlock and stagnation.
the best route should still be the orange route. I think the fresh water mussel's will be fine
charlesboyer Dec 13, 4:23 p.m.
It's time to move this highway forward. Study the Red Route, choose it or another and let's get it done. The southern end of Wake County needed the infrastructure 10 years ago.
3forme Dec 13, 2:31 p.m.
Enough of the "Garner is standing in the way" rhetoric..The red route goes directly through my house on Hwy 50 so i think maybe I have to say something...they can include some of the other 'original" proposed routes for their study without using the red route..Sick and tired of this part of the county getting the short end of the stick..Mayor Williams has worked tirelessly to stop this and the rest of Garner has backed him. Find some one else to blame..if you want these thoroughfares then find another solution and Apex and Knightdale mayors need mayors need to stick to their own business...
nc creature Dec 13, 1:20 p.m.
Is this the same route that goes through a church & cemetery?
Think_people Dec 13, 12:18 p.m.
GEOSOL-"Thank you REPUBLICAN NC legislature for passing this ridiculous law that you knew would jeopardize funding for a badly needed road. Now, all you good little right wingers be sure to try to blame EVERYBODY ELSE besides your REPUBLICAN politicians for making their own mess."
Have a little surpise for you GEOSOL, You thought you found a "blame the evil repubs", Guess what, see the list of votes. Funny thing all but ONE Demo VOTED YES!!
Ayes: Representative(s): Adams; Alexander, K.; Alexander, M.; Bell; Bordsen; Brandon; Brisson; Bryant; Carney; Cotham; Crawford; Earle; Faison; Farmer-Butterfield; Fisher; Floyd; Gill; Glazier; Goodman; Graham; Hackney; Haire; Hall; Hamilton; Hill; Insko; Jackson; Jeffus; Keever; Lucas; Luebke; Martin; McGuirt; McLawhorn; Michaux; Mobley; Moore, R.; Parfitt; Parmon; Pierce; Rapp; Ross; Spear; Tolson; Wainwright; Warren, E.; Weiss; Wilkins; Womble; Wray
Representative(s): Avila; Barnhart; Blackwell; Blust; Boles; Bradley;
sonicbluezx3 Dec 13, 10:38 a.m.
"So, find another route. One that goes through the middle of a town makes no sense. As I recall there were several other routes that were proposed and dismissed. Maybe we should look at them again."
There was another route. But the environmentalists would rather have the road go through a town and displace people and jobs than displace some little mussel that apparently only has its habitat where the road needs to go through. Ridiculous. If these environmental regulations would ease then roads would be built a lot faster and may actually keep up with development.
sonicbluezx3 Dec 13, 10:35 a.m.
"who cares...it's gonna be a toll road and another expense. Common folk won't drive it. Too expensive!!"
I would be willing to bet the 2-4 dollars each direction which enables you to cruise at highway speeds rather than stop and go would at the very least even out the cost of gas. Not to mention lower road rage and get you to work faster. If I lived there I'd use it.
sonicbluezx3 Dec 13, 10:34 a.m.
"Why don't we get rid of the toll and add a tax to vehicles across the state? That's what we do for all other roads. Perhaps then the road might truly help ease congestion."
No... this state already has some of the highest taxes in the nation. How about use the money that comes in for roads and not other things? And forget about that outer banks bridge. Let nature claim it and spend the tax money on areas where the most people live.
sonicbluezx3 Dec 13, 10:32 a.m.
"But they love to convert their already-congested 4-lane streets in Raleigh into 2-lane streets so that phantom bicycle riders will have their own lanes."
Agreed... they do this because some people want the U.S. to become like Europe where everybody rides their bikes and walks. Only problem is the U.S. has been built around the automobile.... it would be almost impossible for everyone to ride bikes or walk to work. Bikes should stay on the greenways... leave the 4 lane roads 4 lane.
But government never does anything that makes sense do they?
sonicbluezx3 Dec 13, 10:30 a.m.
If you read the story in its entirety, you will see that the red route is not going to be used. The NC law needs to be removed so that the red route can be STUDIED. There has to be two routes in study for the Feds to give funding. That's it...
"The Army Corps of Engineers requires that at least two proposed routes be studied before it will issue an environmental permit to allow highway construction to begin"
"The North Carolina Turnpike Authority has said it wouldn't use the red route, but Weatherly and others said the corridor needs to be studied so the highway can get federal funding and be built."
baldchip Dec 13, 10:03 a.m.
Talk about olls and I-95, toll at each end-$25.00 each way. The Yankee's do it-why can't we???
baldchip Dec 13, 9:39 a.m.
Geosol-want to throw stones-lets play!! Had your DemocRAT friends not stolen the highway trust fund years ago because they wanted to spend more than they brought in, we would not be having this discussion!!! But no-your friends just had to spend and spend and spend-and tax and tax and tax!!! They had no dicipline at all. The only thing that saved us citizens was the NC Constitution's balanced budget requirement.
The Republican lead Senate was trying to help Garner un-freeze realestate markets and industrial recruitment-ie JOBS!! Are their not several other routes to be considered??? Do they have to consider the red route??
Come on folks-let's use some common sense. Oh-I forgot-we're dealing with government who has no clue about common sense!!
There is no way a highway will be built when it goes thru mulpiple sub-divisions and an Industrial Park!!
Palease!! THINK PEOPLE!!!
59cruisers Dec 13, 9:25 a.m.
I don't see any other towns stepping up to be sacrificed in the name of progress. Why should Garner have to be destroyed for the other towns to have their road? All the other towns had impractical routes proposed, and quickly eliminated, because they didn't make sense. Why is Garner different? I consider this a personal attack on me and my town. There is no reason to study the red route. It has already been studied and is completely impractical. There are other routes to satisfy the feds. The regulators need to stop being so lazy, and put together the documentation to satisfy the feds. If the feds won't accept another route to study, then we need to expose the corrupt bureaucrat that has an ax to grind against the town of Garner and for that matter, all of Wake county as well.
cherokee43v6 Dec 13, 9:19 a.m.
Once again, I say as a blue collar resident of Garner.
Why should WE have to pay Tolls when the folks in North Raleigh who commute to RTP get their route for free?
TOLL 540 from Capital Blvd to I-40!
RocknRollDoctor Dec 13, 9:10 a.m.
How about passing a law that says the Highway Trust Fund is for transportation needs ONLY? How about paying back the trust fund from the general fund for all that has been siphoned off over the years for wasteful entitlement programs.
hp277 Dec 13, 9:04 a.m.
Get out of the way Garner and let the study process move ahead. This is the only way to get the route settled and have a plan for eventually building the road.
GK N.Ral Dec 13, 8:06 a.m.
Garner once again standing in the way of progress. Way to go Mayor Ronnie!
cjw6105 Dec 12, 7:50 p.m.
The new 540 toll road in Wake County is bleeding red ink, and will never come anywhere near paying for itself, let alone come anywhere near turning a profit.
But the bureaucrats see another money grab, so here we go again with another toll road that needs to be built.
Believe me, the purpose of building highways in Wake County, especially ones with tolls, is to spur development, not to move traffic. Remember, these are the same folks who for 50 years have ignored widening I-95 and the 1963 stretch of the Raleigh Beltline, among others.
But they love to convert their already-congested 4-lane streets in Raleigh into 2-lane streets so that phantom bicycle riders will have their own lanes.
geosol Dec 12, 6:59 p.m.
Thank you REPUBLICAN NC legislature for passing this ridiculous law that you knew would jeopardize funding for a badly needed road. Now, all you good little right wingers be sure to try to blame EVERYBODY ELSE besides your REPUBLICAN politicians for making their own mess.
CountryBoyz Dec 12, 6:51 p.m.
Solution is to toll interstates like I95, I40, etc. only for out-of-state drivers. If a camera can read a license plate and figure out where to send a toll bill, it can also figure out which ones are NC plates and let them pass for free. Technology people . . . use it.
CountryBoyz Dec 12, 6:47 p.m.
Northern Wake got theirs when Southern Wake really needed it. Ask folks who were in North Raleigh/Wake Forest prior to 540 why they moved there. Majority will say they didn't want to deal with I40 going around South Raleigh, so why didn't South Raleigh get a highway solution first? Money talks [and votes].
paulej Dec 12, 6:37 p.m.
I drove over top of the toll road the other day during rush hour. There were so few cars it was crazy. Then I drove down 40. Bumper to bumper. The toll road surely cannot be paying for itself at this current usage rate. Why don't we get rid of the toll and add a tax to vehicles across the state? That's what we do for all other roads. Perhaps then the road might truly help ease congestion.
neverindoubt Dec 12, 6:37 p.m.
WHATELSEISNEW... If a new road is built, SOMEONE has to pay for it. Either there are tolls so the users of that road pay for what they use. Or the government uses EVERYONE'S taxes to pay for roads that only some will use. If the government doesn't build roads, who will? If we have no roads, then what? Unless you're evading taxes, you have paid for plenty of roads, whether you use them or not. I'm thrilled for the progress and realize that it comes with a price. Lighten up.
Tax Man Dec 12, 6:31 p.m.
Maybe we should call it the Obama Road....
59cruisers Dec 12, 6:23 p.m.
This is extremely irresponsible to even bring this up. This shut down real estate in Garner before, and just running this article is causing damage. My wife just had a real estate transaction fall through, because the buyer saw this article. There are other alternatives to study other than the red route. The red route is the least logical one to study. The law says that two routes have to be studied. There are plenty of other options. Someone at SELC and the department of fish and wildlife has an axe to grind against Garner. We have to fight this and bring logic back to DOT decisions!!!
kawirider54 Dec 12, 6:22 p.m.
More NC Tax money well spent
kawirider54 Dec 12, 6:21 p.m.
who cares...it's gonna be a toll road and another expense. Common folk won't drive it. Too expensive!!
admyank Dec 12, 6:12 p.m.
If you can't pay for it - you shalt not build it.
You folks think it is funny that you put into place the tolls, and only a few use it. How the heck is that going to pay for the road if a minority of the minority use it?
I think it was all class warfare. North Raleigh got theirs, and Southern Wake has to pay more for something already paid for.
smegma Dec 12, 6:12 p.m.
haha yeah the red route will never be built because of our "precious" endangered Muscles living in the low-lying areas. google it. it's true.
redlegwife Dec 12, 6:06 p.m.
It is easy for the mayors of Knightdale and Apex to be in favor of the red route.
whatelseisnew Dec 12, 6:02 p.m.
"See the proposed alternate.... (captures thousands and thousands of toll payers) http://www.ncdot.gov/projects/southeastextension/download/southeast_PI_ImproveExistingRoads.pdf"
They will not capture me. I will NEVER use any N.C. Road that has a toll on it. But sadly too many other people do not mind having the Government steal from them.
Tax Man Dec 12, 6:00 p.m.
There should not be ANY tolls for NC residents. If you want to toll the Interstates at the state line, fine. But no NC resident should have to pay a toll for using our state's roads. We all pay property taxes, income taxes and gas taxes and that should prevent us from having to pay any other expenses of use of our roads. Perhaps give all NC residents a free transponder that allows us to drive the toll roads but never be charged for the use. Just charge non-residents to use our roads as they pay no taxes (they buy their gas in VA or GA or TN to save on taxes).
whatelseisnew Dec 12, 6:00 p.m.
"If it is going to be a TOLL road, why build it in the first place? The Northern portion wass built WITHOUT tolls and the people living in the south portion of WAKE county paid taxes the same as the people living in the northern portion did; yet the Southern portion is to be tolled; WHY NOT TOLL IT ALL?"
The correct thing to do is to not toll any of it. Besides those people using the Northern portion ARE STILL paying the extra six cents per gallon tax that was put on in 1989 and 540 was one of the projects that the increased tax was put in place to provide the funding. We were PROMISED by the lying DEMS that the tax would be eliminated, yet it is still there and on top of that they did this conversion of part of 540 to NC540 so they could include the toll. If the voters had thrown out every member of the legislature that supported that toll, it would be gone. The Federal Government is causing this problem.
mep Dec 12, 5:58 p.m.
Tolls.... because 39 cents for each gallon of gasoline purchased in NC is somehow not enough. (Not counting all of the other taxes, fees, and Federal money NC has allocated for roads)
dlnorri Dec 12, 5:45 p.m.
The red route will never be built, nor the lilac, nor the yellow if it depends on the turnpike authority. People are not flocking to the toll roads they constructed. They need to capture drivers to make money to pay for their (and thier children and grandchildrens) cushy jobs. See the proposed alternate.... (captures thousands and thousands of toll payers) http://www.ncdot.gov/projects/southeastextension/download/southeast_PI_ImproveExistingRoads.pdf
rednek Dec 12, 5:45 p.m.
If it is going to be a TOLL road, why build it in the first place? The Northern portion wass built WITHOUT tolls and the people living in the south portion of WAKE county paid taxes the same as the people living in the northern portion did; yet the Southern portion is to be tolled; WHY NOT TOLL IT ALL?
deansjam2 Dec 12, 5:40 p.m.
Meanwhile, those of us in the protected corridor remain, and continue to be screwed by NCDOT for 16 years!
dontstopnow Dec 12, 5:38 p.m.
Stop with the Toll roads already!!!! Purdue is leaving so leave the roads alone in NC... geeesh
SaveEnergyMan Dec 12, 5:35 p.m.
So, find another route. One that goes through the middle of a town makes no sense. As I recall there were several other routes that were proposed and dismissed. Maybe we should look at them again.
Screw WrAl Dec 12, 5:24 p.m.
And just yeterday this very story said dead. finished. K-putt.
My how a few hours changes greedy people right around in the other direction.
Published: 2007-10-05 09:38:00
Updated: 2013-09-05 17:25:12