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  • BitCoin Trader Dec 14, 1:21 p.m.

    Vinyl - how is it that you know so much about the price of meth? LOL

    heisenberg

    December 14, 2012 10:34 a.m.

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    Ah jeez I dont know man. Maybe you can be educated on things that you,ve never tried or even seen? Is that possible?

  • heisenberg Dec 14, 10:34 a.m.

    Vinyl - how is it that you know so much about the price of meth? LOL

  • schoonie79 Dec 13, 5:06 p.m.

    "Do we just have to have more dead bodies? Or are we going to do something when we know there's an action that works?" -Rep. Horn

    Mr. Horn are you blind or just completely unaware of how things operate? More legislation and regulation won't fix the problem. If that was the case, there wouldn't be a war on drugs in the country. In answer to your question, the DOT requires several fatalities at an intersection before installing a traffic light so I guess we do need more bodies. Maybe the state should invest in drug rehab programs for those addicted to drugs. If you actually put them in jail and treat them while they're there, you may be surprised at the result.

  • Fiberguy Dec 13, 4:47 p.m.

    DEA Congressional testimony in 2007 indicated that around 80% of the meth used came from large laboratories, controlled mainly by Mexican drug cartels, leaving only 20% of the drug being produced by small-time cookers. The drug cartels almost certainly have access to a much better precursor chemical supply chain than obtaining pseudoephedrine at retail. Requiring prescriptions for cold meds would be highly ineffective in dealing with this issue, while wasting medical resources and irrationally intruding upon the lives of law-abiding citizens. No effect on problem, higher cost, and erosion of freedom - perfect political theater!

  • BitCoin Trader Dec 13, 3:59 p.m.

    We cant keep drugs out of our prisons so lets make society a prison. Great logic! Poor poor people. Its ok. We have laws against heroin too so you wont put a needle in your arm. The gov is here to save you!!

  • rachel Dec 13, 3:58 p.m.

    once again, the penalty for breaking the law, falls on those who don't. I am hardly going to pay my doctor a copay/office visit fee to buy an 8 tablet box of pseudophed because somebody somewhere knows how to make an illegal drug from it.

  • greymomma Dec 13, 3:53 p.m.

    Is the goal just to get rid of meth labs and stop people from buying pseudophed to make meth? In that case open up a government-owned Walter White style high tech methlab. Sell the meth for $1 a pound at the drug store right along side the pseudophedrine which sells for $4 for 12 tablets. Meth-heads buy their meth at the drug store cheap, no more profit in methlabs, they all go away. No more kids living in methlabs, no more people needing to commit crimes to get money to get meth, Darwinism will take the addicts out of the population, and most importantly all of us law abiding citizens can get relief for sinus congestion without waiting to get a doctors appointment.

  • BitCoin Trader Dec 13, 3:00 p.m.

    If we make hard like it need to be they want keep doing the same crime over and over.

    cooterbutchie

    December 13, 2012 2:16 p.m.

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    Its called an addiction. No law or penalty will stop an addict. Good grief. I think you want meth illegal so you will stay away from it. You make it sound like you would be an addict without a law from the government.

  • dontstopnow Dec 13, 2:57 p.m.

    This is totally rediculous! Why make every human being suffering from a cold suffer for criminals that are being stupid. What the heck is happening to our world when criminals can make laws for law abiding citizens!

  • BitCoin Trader Dec 13, 2:17 p.m.

    One gram of meth runs about $100 in this area so it still is a profit to the person selling it.

    cynda-ur-way

    LOL where do you live? $100/gram? LOL

  • cooterbutchie Dec 13, 2:16 p.m.

    when one or two football play kill them selfs or someone else you say ban they from having guns wreck a motorcycle make it that they can't on a motorcycle.when two or more dumb dumb blow them self up make it hard for them and every body that abid by the law to get cough syrup.If we don't have all these shady law waiting to get them off or a slap on the wrist.Right now when you go to jail you have more right than you and i have on the street.And three hots and a cot.If we make hard like it need to be they want keep doing the same crime over and over.

  • jdag Dec 13, 2:15 p.m.

    Can't the doses per pack be lowered to some smaller amount? I don't take all of the pills in a pack when I have a cold. I think the prescription idea is too drastic at this point.

  • NC_Beach_n_Mtn_guy Dec 13, 2:11 p.m.

    The Legislature will have to pay for doctor visits and mileage and triple prices because of mandating law abiding citizens to get a prescription for the governemts problem!!! Don't forget to include that in the bill!!! Along with the new person taking that senate or house represenatives seat in the next election!!!

  • cjw6105 Dec 13, 2:06 p.m.

    Make room in your light bulb closet for cough medicines.

    Why don't they just ban labs? Dogs included.

  • miseem Dec 13, 1:32 p.m.

    The problem with your argument is that criminals don't get their guns through legal sources, therefore, there is no information to put into any database.

    Source of the guns/sudafed is not a part of my argument. It's that there are laws in place to control access to sudafed already, just as there are laws in place to limit access to guns. Why are we creating more? Sort of like stealing/borrowing guns, if you can't get precursors to meth legally and locally, you'll find another source. Or the Mexican drug cartels will (and have been) stepping in to cover any shortages. Sort of like the reverse of what we do about the gun shortage in Mexico.

  • cynda-ur-way Dec 13, 1:30 p.m.

    the idea of they will just find something else to use is also ignornat, There is no way to make meth without psuedoephedrine.There is not a recipe without it in the production of meth.

  • cynda-ur-way Dec 13, 1:27 p.m.

    I am going to break this down for the uninformed on why the current method of sudafed control isnt as effective as people think. First of all the registry does work ,its online and is statewide. It even connects with other states who use it. They will not let you buy if you are past the limit under any circumstance. What circumvents this is that it doesnt take much of the pills to create alot of meth. If I buy up to my allowed amount and enlist friends or family to also buy. I could accumulate up to 15 boxes of sudafed with just 5 people within that month buying legally. thats enough for a home lab to make around 30 grams of uncut meth. The practice has produced a black market for the medicine,to where I can spend $5 buying and resale to a cook for up to $20. There are people who resale sudafed just for the extra money. One gram of meth runs about $100 in this area so it still is a profit to the person selling it.

  • jgilchr Dec 13, 1:19 p.m.

    What this means is you have to pay for an unnecessary doctor's appointment to get cold medicine.

  • jcthai Dec 13, 12:59 p.m.

    "More money to the sorry excuses for medical professionals out there. Saw one today,, Did me no good at all..."

    Exador7 sounds like one of those fools who goes in to the doctor with a cold and demands antibiotics, and then gets upset when the doctor won't cave.

  • jcthai Dec 13, 12:56 p.m.

    This is fine if you also pass a law that says that doctors and clinics have to see patients free of charge to get their prescriptions for these meds. Oh, and will the state compensate all of the cold sufferers for the time off work to go to the doctor? Of course the drug dealers will just forge prescriptions. I can see it eventually evolving to requiring a body cavity search in public to get these meds.

  • Bradley07 Dec 13, 12:47 p.m.

    unreal!! sure make the innocent cold/allergy suffers have to endure more than the criminals. They will need to up the 15 minute clinics then so people can run in on their lunch time!!

  • frosty Dec 13, 12:36 p.m.

    A really really stupid thing to do.

  • Grand Union Dec 13, 12:36 p.m.

    "Why punish all of us sinus sufferers.. This is so ridiculous. Why is our government so backwards ????? I can't use the words here because they will not post me. Our government is backwards. Do something about the cause instead of treating the symptoms. DUH !!!!!!!!!!!"

    like what?

  • Grand Union Dec 13, 12:35 p.m.

    "More money to the sorry excuses for medical professionals out there. Saw one today,, Did me no good at all..."

    Perhaps you would prefer the days of leeches, bloodletting and no anesthesia?

  • kermit60 Dec 13, 12:34 p.m.

    may inconvenience a few people! So you would have go to the ER or doctors office to get a prescription for cold medicine? Now the cost goes from a few dollars at Wal-Mart to over a hundred to an ER or doctor. Not to mention the additional time needed to do this. How many people can afford 100 dollar cold medicine and lose a days pay to get it? Why is the solution always to punish all citizens for the actions of a few? Maybe a 20 year mandatory sentance would help.

  • Grand Union Dec 13, 12:32 p.m.

    "The problem with your argument is that criminals don't get their guns through legal sources, therefore, there is no information to put into any database."

    Criminals don't care about laws, they will alway find a way to get what they want."

    Criminals get their guns from stealing them from legal owners or buying them from legal owners. If the there are none to steal or buy they will have great difficulty in getting them and the cost to do so rises enormously. Simple supply and demand.

    Criminals have guns because you have easy access to guns.

    In countries where there is few guns in public hands, criminals rarely have them either.

  • raleighlynn Dec 13, 12:12 p.m.

    I just take plain old generic Benadryl. There are still effective cold/allergy medication other than the ones you have to sign for. That said, it's a crying shame a few bad apples have to ruin things for everyone.

  • tayled Dec 13, 11:48 a.m.

    Perhaps we should make more of an example of the folks that will take away our rights to over the counter cold meds when we need them. How about bringing back putting people who do this in the public stocks in the town square and letting them suffer the humiliation. Point is, just a few bad apples are going to ruin it for everyone.

  • TITAN4X4 Dec 13, 11:39 a.m.

    No, as some other posters have mentioned, let's use the gun rights arguement. There is a law in place that requires registration, with a photo id, to be entered into a national database to track excessive purchases. Let's enforce the laws we now have instead of adding new ones, as the NRA is fond of saying.

    miseem

    The problem with your argument is that criminals don't get their guns through legal sources, therefore, there is no information to put into any database.

    Criminals don't care about laws, they will alway find a way to get what they want.

  • BitCoin Trader Dec 13, 11:29 a.m.

    I dont care for any drugs but being in the towing field we have towed a many of portable meth labs and its almost staggering to see what it takes to clean one up . It looks like the scene in E.T with men walking around in space suits . I hope the worse for meth cookers . Has to be one of the worst drugs out there in every shape in form

    ligonmaterial23

    December 13, 2012 10:57 a.m.

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    And you will get more crazy drugs like meth as long as drugs are illegal. You think if MDMA was still legal as it was in 1985 people would cook up meth?

  • Hip-Shot Dec 13, 11:27 a.m.

    You're going to punish the law abiding citizens to put a damper of the few bad apples? The real medicine that is sold behind the counter is the only thing that works for me: the replacement stuff is not very effective at all.

    And we can't stock up on the good stuff because they have a registry.

  • exador7 Dec 13, 11:01 a.m.

    More money to the sorry excuses for medical professionals out there. Saw one today,, Did me no good at all...

  • exador7 Dec 13, 10:59 a.m.

    Why punish all of us sinus sufferers.. This is so ridiculous. Why is our government so backwards ????? I can't use the words here because they will not post me. Our government is backwards. Do something about the cause instead of treating the symptoms. DUH !!!!!!!!!!!

  • ligonmaterial23 Dec 13, 10:57 a.m.

    I dont care for any drugs but being in the towing field we have towed a many of portable meth labs and its almost staggering to see what it takes to clean one up . It looks like the scene in E.T with men walking around in space suits . I hope the worse for meth cookers . Has to be one of the worst drugs out there in every shape in form

  • BitCoin Trader Dec 13, 10:54 a.m.

    Dont they chop your hand off for stealing in some countries? They still steal dont they? I love the "we need gov to proptect us from ourselves" crowd. Bunch of pitiful libs who need laws for everything.

  • BitCoin Trader Dec 13, 10:49 a.m.

    People will manufacture and use drugs no matter what laws you make. Good grief. No meth? Cool they have bath salts. Dont you get it?

  • BitCoin Trader Dec 13, 10:48 a.m.

    AUTISM....you want to kill someone who chooses to cook something and put in their own body? WOW what else can the gov do to protect you from yourself? Poor libs.

  • BitCoin Trader Dec 13, 10:46 a.m.

    No it wont. Doing meth is the death penalty. Hows that working? vinylcarwraps23

    you are wrong. bring back public hangings for crimes we want to deter. it works.

    autismawareness

    December 13, 2012 10:36 a

    Yes the death pentaly deters murder too. LOL

  • autismawareness Dec 13, 10:36 a.m.

    No it wont. Doing meth is the death penalty. Hows that working?

    vinylcarwraps23

    you are wrong. bring back public hangings for crimes we want to deter. it works.

  • onedayatatime Dec 13, 10:31 a.m.

    I'm curious as to how this law would work. So my doctor can prescribe me as much Sudafed as I want? If that is the case and there is no longer a "list" that I would be on then I may just be ok with this. I'm sure I can convince my doctor to get me more than the normal amount as it is the only product that seems to help me breath effectively. I have had issues with the "list" in the past and someone else apparently used my personal info to purchase Sudafed and then I was denied purchase. I attempted to call all NC agencies associated with the "list" and no one wanted to talk to me about investigating the purchase that was not mine but blocked me. The current system is just as messed up as the newly proposed one.

  • JennyB Dec 13, 10:14 a.m.

    That's ridiculous. Sinus meds with Pseudephedrine is the ONLY thing that works for my sinus/allergy issues. Especially this time of year. I don't have the time/money to take off work to get a prescription for it, nor does anyone else I know. If meth folks are going to make it, they're going to make it. As far as I'm concerned, they're weeding out the population.

  • corgimom06 Dec 13, 10:13 a.m.

    There are already laws in place limiting the sale to behind the counter at the pharmacy and they take your information and track how much you buy. Oregon enacted a law to limit pseudoephedrine to prescription only and the number of meth labs in the state fell from 467 in 2004 to 12 in 2009. So in order for this to be truly effective nationwide you would have to have the same law nationwide. But it would be a big pain for people like me, who have allergies and sometimes pseudoephedrine is the only thing I can take to feel better. I see both sides of the argument. I don't however see WHY anyone would take meth. Just look at some before and after pics-why would you want to do that to yourself?

  • monami Dec 13, 10:10 a.m.

    "The really sad thing is, that no matter how many people are against this, since they see a way to make a dollar and get more control, they'll likely pass something like this."

    I agree with you. At first glance, one might think "this is so ridiculous, it could never be implemented." But then look at the big picture and history of our House.

    Really, do we want to emulate Mississippi? Do we want to impact worker productivity, insurance prices, public health and comfort because of the few "bad guys"? The ripple effect of this proposal is HUGE. Granted, meth is a bad thing and a problem. But this isn't the solution.

    Why isn't the current "show your ID and get tracked in the database" process not working? Why are you tracking my Mucinex-D purchases if you're not going to stop me from over-buying?

    This proposal is ridiculous, and it scares me that our legislators are even considering this as a solution for illicit drug manufacturing!

  • immaannoid Dec 13, 10:07 a.m.

    Completely stupid that one will have to pay an office visit to get cold medicine. Typical government.

  • Rebelyell55 Dec 13, 9:59 a.m.

    The really sad thing is, that no matter how many people are against this, since they see a way to make a dollar and get more control, they'll likely pass something like this.

  • BitCoin Trader Dec 13, 9:46 a.m.

    how about death penalty for cookers. that will stop it.

    autismawareness

    No it wont. Doing meth is the death penalty. Hows that working?

  • autismawareness Dec 13, 9:43 a.m.

    will be no different than pain pills. you can get them from everywhere, just gotta pay street prices.

  • autismawareness Dec 13, 9:41 a.m.

    how about death penalty for cookers. that will stop it.

  • RaleighHunts Dec 13, 9:32 a.m.

    Make people go up to the pharmacy counter, show ID, put that purchase into a statewide computer database, and limit purchases to one box a week. END OF STORY. requiring a prescription is patently ABSURD. It is not "something... that may inconvenience a few people", are you serious??? It will massively inconvenience millions of people in the state. every single person who gets a cold will have to take time off of work to go to a doctors appointment (which costs lots of MONEY, by the way) just to get the prescription. You know doctors love the idea, but no citizens should. Is meth a problem, yeah, Im sure it is, but that is a ridiculous measure to try and fight it, and can easily be done through ENFORCING the method I mentioned above. The only reason it wouldnt work is if it is NOT enforced.

  • the opinion no one asked for Dec 13, 9:29 a.m.

    oh great lets pass this nonsense into law! so in 2014 when my insurance become useless because of obama care I can add cold medicine to the list of stuff I can't afford because the dr visit for a cold medicine script will fall outside of my once yearly check up that is allowed. I will then be subject to my insanely high deductible so I can turn around and go to the harris teeter to buy $8 in sudafed

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