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  • mindybethmiazga Dec 13, 2012

    m a mother of seven children, three of whom are disabled. My husband is underemployed and most weeks, we can barely put food on the table. I sought help from the Salvation Army one year. You would think that people would be grateful for the help, but almost every other person in line (there was a line and the wait was an hour or more on a freezing cold day) was grumbling about the line and the things that they received and that the gift card from Food Lion was only $10.

    There are many who will have nothing for Christmas, but this society is "entitlement" driven and unless there are game systems and ipods, ipads etc..., people are unhappy.

  • Melarie Dec 12, 2012

    It is amazing how many people have taken advantage of charities that people do not want to donate. It is sad but true I know alot of people who can afford to buy their kids gifts but would rather sigh them up for some charity so they can keep their money so sick. I will be giving to a friend of our children who I know needs the help

  • heremeaj Dec 12, 2012

    bubbasu1,

    Don't give up, call resources for Seniors or whoever runs the "Friendly Visitor" program as it was called then. They matched me up with someone just like you described and we had years of adventure and friendship before she died. Your intentions are too good to be sacrificed to a govt worker who is just holding air space.

  • working for deadbeats Dec 12, 2012

    Welcome to the Obama economy. Sorry, Obama needs our money for his good deeds more than you kids.

  • bubbasu1 Dec 12, 2012

    I am a 62 yr old widow. A couple of weeks ago I contacted Home Instead Senior home care after reading of ( in an article on WRAL.com) their request for items for those they care for.I was asking if they had any clients in the area where I live, someone that had no family or no one that vistied them.I asked if they would provide a list of some items the senior would need and I would get them and would like to visit the senior on a regular basis . I thought it would be a nice thing to do for someone all alone. To date I have not heard back from them!

  • storchheim Dec 12, 2012

    heremeaj, it's true children don't understand what's not quite right to ask strangers for when you're on charity, but the parents sure do, and they don't bother to edit the list. Perhaps being turned away for that reason would make a point with them.

  • heremeaj Dec 12, 2012

    Children have no idea what the real "ask" is for expensive gaming equipment,Ipods, etc. They just want what they see everybody else have and that is understandable. Even if you did give something like an Ipod they do not understand that they would have to have a computer, pay to download music, etc. Most of their parents can't/won't do those things even if the Ipod is given so it would be a wasted effort to give anything that would require other expensive equipment or assume that the family has a computer or would spend money on song downloads or games. Sad, but a gift needs to be able to be "complete" and whole with no other add ons after the child gets it. The biggest gap in toy donations is anything for 8 - 12 year olds. Most people give for little kids and ignore the older ones. Hard to find things they like that are not the expensive electronics- Think what YOUR kids and grandkids that age want - the same things the charity kids want.

  • heremeaj Dec 12, 2012

    Charitynavigator.org is a great website that tells you HOW a charity spends money-how much actually goes to the recipients vs. administrative costs. The Salvation Army is right at the top of charities who spend almost nothing on salaries and administrative and almost all money given on the recipients. My father was a board member for many years and he was always amazed at the integrity of the organization when other charities were paying out huge salaries and in fact more closely resembled private companies with lavish living for those at the top. We all need to understand who we are giving our resources to and that everyone with a sad story or picture of a child is not responsible or trustworthy.

    I worked for years as a volunteer helping when the parents came to pick up the Angel Tree gifts. Most burst into tears and thank God that their children were chosen off the Angel tree. And the Salvation Army Angel tree does NOT list aNYTHING but clothing/shoes size

  • OneLove Dec 12, 2012

    Is there some sort of "qualifying" procedure to verify the need? I personally know of a family who signs up every year and actually could do it on their own....but WHY DO THAT?

  • HopingForABetterWorld Dec 12, 2012

    Bad economy aside, I think these charities need to realize that many people who want to help will not help because of frustrations that are happening the last few years. Many people have received angels requesting game systems, ipods, etc. Those are terrible angel requests. Food, clothing, small games, etc. should be on the angels. If you must request help from others, request help on the basics that are required.
    Also, some people have commented about dropping off their gifts and discovering rooms almost full of presents. Those families clearly don't need more assistance.
    People are abusing the generosity of others, and it's making generous people be less generous. It stinks for the truly needy. I hope the charities will all revisit their screening process and put some rules in effect, so the generous can do so without wondering if they are being scammed.

  • CestLaVie Dec 12, 2012

    Food and clothing are more realistic "needs" today, for EVERYONE.

    All the toy "wants" are unnecessary & pure fluff.

  • whatelseisnew Dec 12, 2012

    I do not do this gift giving. I have had to cut back. I still put in donations to a specific charity that provides assistance for basic things like food and clothing. I also still contribute to food banks. With all the handouts now coming from Government, I probably am going to stop the food bank donations next year. Government keeps taking more from me, and I have nothing else left to cut.

  • same ole story Dec 12, 2012

    I don't see the problem. These are the 47%ers that Obama is supposed to take care of??? They must not have there hand strecthed out far enough. Better get it now because the "CLIFF" that Obama made is getting closer and closer......

  • Lady Marksman Dec 11, 2012

    "what is needed as much as for children is a "Be a Santa to a Senior" to the forgotten elderly that are usually needy and grateful."

    I bent my outsize brain to this and suggest this: a needy kid puts up an angel for an elderly forgotten one instead of for himself, and delivers the gift in person. ~ storchheim

    BRILLIANT idea!!! I'm going to make a call tomorrow! Local nursing homes have to have folks with no family close by right - surely there is a need and a lesson to be learned by selfless giving!!

  • Lady Marksman Dec 11, 2012

    ". . . religion is the world's biggest problem facing the future. foolish beliefs in make believe."

    Not true brain surgen. It's our government and the United nations! unblankenbelievable

    unblanken - You forgot to throw in The Federal Reserve System (also known informally as the Fed)!

  • storchheim Dec 11, 2012

    "what is needed as much as for children is a "Be a Santa to a Senior" to the forgotten elderly that are usually needy and grateful."

    I bent my outsize brain to this and suggest this: a needy kid puts up an angel for an elderly forgotten one instead of for himself, and delivers the gift in person.

  • storchheim Dec 11, 2012

    "so what if parents sign up for more than one charity. In my mind, the parent doesn't get anything out of those size 5 toddler clothes, but the kid might, and that's good enough for me." can't post your handle

    I don't know what the letter of the rule is regarding selfishly elbowing others out of the way so you can maximize your Christmas take, but the spirit of the rule is "be grateful for a gift." Who was calling cynics "selfish" a post or two ago?

    Guess you've never heard of parents selling gifts at yard sales for cash a few days after Christmas. There go the free toddler clothes and hey, everything's profit! And best of all, they got another one over! Wonderful example for the kids; they're going to need those skills AND be convinced it's clever to use them.

  • unblankenbelievable Dec 11, 2012

    ". . . religion is the world's biggest problem facing the future. foolish beliefs in make believe."

    Not true brain surgen. It's our government and the United nations!

  • Lady Marksman Dec 11, 2012

    agree with "retiredindependentpopo"

    Very sad comment indeed. Sseems to me that what we are doing now isn't working out so well.

    It's interesting how people who don't know Christ think Christians have to give up "stuff" when they are saved. It's just the opposite. I have more joy, happiness and am abundantly blessed now that I have Christ.

  • retiredindependentpopo Dec 11, 2012

    NO kid should have to go without Christmas! Even if you don't believe in CHRISTmas.

  • pappy1 Dec 11, 2012

    Interesting. Toys are not a "need" - they are a want. Warm clothing, shelter, food, heat - these are all "needs." You can pretty much bet your last dollar that the vast majority of these youngsters who "need" toys, have at least one parent with sculptured nails, smart phone and plenty of cigarettes. The last time I was approached by someone begging for money to buy a meal, I offered to buy their meal, but wouldn't give them cash. They cussed me out and walked away.

  • retiredindependentpopo Dec 11, 2012

    ". . . religion is the world's biggest problem facing the future. foolish beliefs in make believe."

    What a sad comment. No hope.

  • retiredindependentpopo Dec 11, 2012

    If you think this is bad, wait until "the government" decides to stop the charitable contribution deduction on you tax return. According to obama and his people, the government knows how to redistribute your money (or donations) better than you do. Again, sorry "for the kids".

  • retiredindependentpopo Dec 11, 2012

    ". . . . 2,000 children in need."

    Hmmm, shouldn't this amount to 4000 parents not working. Are there that many people unemployed in Wake County? Sorry "for the kids".

  • Lady Marksman Dec 11, 2012

    "If I wasn't being taxed to death I'd have more $$ to help people/children in need!....I am a Christian, Conservative wife and mom..."

    "--@Lady Marksman, what do you suppose Christ meant in Luke 20:25? Geez Louise"

    I am a Christian, not a perfect human being. I am not above being upset about how much of our hard earned money goes right back to our government for all sorts of things that I don't necessarily agree with. Again, we do what we can do with what we have left after taxes. If we weren't taxed so much, we would have more money left to help more people.

  • autismawareness Dec 11, 2012

    Lady Marksman hit a bulls eye on this one.
    ncsuamy

    too funny. religion is the world's biggest problem facing the future. foolish beliefs in make believe.

  • takeabathgreg Dec 11, 2012

    "just books-that was it, "

    you are making an assumption the parents and the kids can read which sadly a lot of them cant

  • autismawareness Dec 11, 2012

    stop the entitlements. this is no different. parents can't take care of their kids.

  • nraleighmom Dec 11, 2012

    Lady Marksman hit a bulls eye on this one.

  • jrfergerson Dec 11, 2012

    what is needed as much as for children is a "Be a Santa to a Senior" to the forgotten elderly that are usually needy and grateful.

  • Geez Louise Dec 11, 2012

    "If I wasn't being taxed to death I'd have more $$ to help people/children in need!....I am a Christian, Conservative wife and mom..."

    --@Lady Marksman, what do you suppose Christ meant in Luke 20:25?

  • JustOneGodLessThanU Dec 11, 2012

    I have never understood Seasonal Giving.

    If you really care, stop the bandaids and cure the disease...the actual condition...that puts these people in their situation of need in the first place.

    If you don't want to solve the problem, and you vote against solutions that acutally prevent the problem, all this one day of giving does is make you feel good about your other 364 days of apathy/sadism...but YOU are the problem.

    You could do more just by getting out of the way of those of us who are actually working to reduce homelessness, reduce overpopulation, reduce racial/ethnic disparities, increase wealth for the destitute, cure/treat mental illness, provide healthcare for everyone to reduce bankruptcies and more gov't dependence, etc.

    Isn't that REAL love for human kind?

  • rachel Dec 11, 2012

    when I was growing up, we got whatever my parents could afford-some years, just books-that was it, just books-and I learned to love and read books-its not a horror not to have a big xmas with lots of toys and new clothes-the holiday season isn't about the stuff-but the charities and the stores would have you believe it is and that a kid would be heartbroken "not to have"-no they won't be-it will be their first of a long line of lessons on living within your means and not expecting handouts. If we start them off early expecting things beyond their families means, we have started making the future overspenders who don't know how to live within a budget and who use plastic to make sure they get what they want when they want it. They need to see how hard it is to work for things, they need to learn value vs hard work. Handouts teach no one anything except to expect others to provide for you-don't we have enough of those people already sponging off the rest of us?

  • Starlight Lady Dec 11, 2012

    I picked one of those Angels one year. The kid wanted a PS2...Seriously? A Playstation? As much as I would love to help, I can't afford such a gift...."

    Um, a PS 2, not a PS3? A NEW PS 2 is under $100 and well nearly a 10 year old console. There are A LOT of organizations with trees and everyone is different, some have a wish list others don't. I donated to Toys for Tots this year. I wish I could have done the "Be a Santa to a Senior" to, the forgotten elderly are usually much more needy and grateful.

  • takeabathgreg Dec 11, 2012

    "Christmas is about the kids, after all!"

    gee that makes it a trumped up holiday celebrating the assumed birth of Jesus to be really about kids getting gifts

  • jlsm Dec 11, 2012

    We drove from Durham to Cary to get an Angel this year, as apparently Durham doesn't have an Angel Tree you can go to and pick a name from (yes, I called). I wanted my daughter to see the names and ages of kids her age, who just need clothes for Christmas, while she wants an iPad, iPhone, etc.. It was a great experience for my family to realize how much we take for granted. And I was impressed that when we dropped off our gift on Saturday (the deadline) my daughter remarked at how there were so many Angels still left hanging there - she wanted to know what would happen to their Christmases.

    From what I understand, the Salvation Army does require documentation of need, and so what if parents sign up for more than one charity. In my mind, the parent doesn't get anything out of those size 5 toddler clothes, but the kid might, and that's good enough for me.

  • takeabathgreg Dec 11, 2012

    This is just another example of the entitlement society so many of these people have become accustomed to growing up in. They are so used to government handouts, charitable organizations and such just giving them whatever they want.

  • Unfair Moderators Stink Dec 11, 2012

    I hope these Angels get taken care of. I did 2 from our tree at work......hopefully others will help these kids out. Christmas is about the kids, after all!

  • jaydosse Dec 11, 2012

    How sad to see so many cruel and uncaring comments. Folks sure seem to be spending a lot on the latest electronic, overpriced gadgets. Guess they are using plastic. I haven't seen much green cash flowing! However we have noticed many glassy eyed shoppers who never seem to accumulate enough "THINGS".

    Look into the eyes of a small child in need who has nothing and explain your self centered, selfish indifference to them. Do ya think they will understand? Do you care?

    Try playing an anonymous Santa for a change and experience the joy that your money can't buy.

    Those of you who are selfish and vitriolic please never forget, that maybe next year you might be in need. It doesn't take much to lose all you have and end up in the streets.

    Also please never forget that "there but for the GRACE of God go you"

  • wral mods blow close my account Dec 11, 2012

    Even though I don't agree with all their policies, they did keep me cheapy clothed in College.

    If I see a bell ringer, I put in a buck.

  • kimisufu Dec 11, 2012

    I have never seen wish lists on the Salvation Army angels. Never. There are other organizations that have angel trees and the like, but never have any of the angels I've gotten from the SA. In fact, on the back of the angel tag it says please consider donating a toy to the toy shop.

  • kateyezkateyez Dec 11, 2012

    I know that sometimes the wish list seem over the top but remember they are kids. My sister used to ask for a pony every year, she never got it but she asked ever year.

    I'm not saying to give or not to give but when you are a kid a lot of times you have no idea how much things cost and you hear over and over from your friends what they are asking for so, as a kid, you ask for the same thing.

    I've met many families over the years that my friends and family help at the holidays, these families were always greatful, no matter what they received. A lot of times, the kids would ask for a bike but the mother would say, let's make that a coat instead. Maybe I was just lucky with the families we helped.

  • info223 Dec 11, 2012

    Just to set the record straight, if you visit our angel tree at Crabtree, or our online angel tree, you'll see that we only list first name, gender, and clothing sizes on our angels. No toy wish lists of any sort. While other organizations may do this, The Salvation Army of Wake County does not. Thank you for your generous donations! -The Salvation Army Of Wake County

  • workinghuman33 Dec 11, 2012

    I will find a better way to help children that doesn't involve donating to an organization that promotes bigotry.terrie"

    I am with you 100% Terrie. I have donated for Thanksgiving & Christmas to the Salvation Army for the last 25 years...no more. I will continue to donate money, clothing and time to other far more deserving charities. I believe in equality for all of our fellow Americans. The absolute ignorance and hatred spewed by so-called "leaders" of the Salvation Army during the gay marriage amendment campaign has forever changed my opinion of this particular organization.

  • werewolfwoman Dec 11, 2012

    When I hear working people bragging about having their children signed up for multiple organizations so they get a "great" Christmas that they don't have to pay for, no thank you. There needs to be some way to ensure parents are not registering for multiple agencies. Also, I would like to know the definition of a "needy" family. Does that family have to produce any sort of documentation showing exactly how much money is coming into the home, or does the agency just take their word for it?

  • dang_skippy Dec 11, 2012

    My wife and I did 3 angels this year. The angel description is all age and clothes sizes requested. They ASK that you donate toys as well so that the toys can go into the "toy shop" where parents can choose up to 2 toys (hopefully) for each angel. It's not a ton, but we shopped for the angels on black friday to keep costs down while getting some massive deals on clothes for the angels. We heard of 1 woman who got 2 angels, came back a little later with a t-shirt for each of them and called it "done".

  • tspicchiali Dec 11, 2012

    Maybe people aren't donating because they have zero extra cash in this economy.

  • Lady Marksman Dec 11, 2012

    "Salvation Army 'angels' don't tell you what they want. The SA lists the child's first name, age, and sizes. Toys go to the SA "toy shop," not necessarily your angel. - kimisufu"

    I know for a fact that the SA angels DO list what the child wants. It also gives the childs gender, age and size information.

    We chose two angels this year, a boy and a girl. Both wanted a bike and a basketball.

  • storchheim Dec 11, 2012

    Great, another generation being raised to expect from everyone but their parents. Wonder how many of them celebrate the season as opposed to showing up for free cash and goods.

  • moppie Dec 11, 2012

    Lady Marksmen....AMEN!!

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