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me2you Dec 13, 4:04 p.m.
This board is so divided, when you have a majority of one, the others should just stay home.
Das G Dec 12, 2:19 p.m.
If the republican members would have done what they were voted in to do, they would still be in power. That, and we'd all be in neighborhood schools. Instead, they caved to Barber and his cronies, and came up with the horrible choice plan. In the end, millions have been wasted, and we're right back to the failure of the system we had a few years ago.
samr Dec 12, 12:43 p.m.
The term confederacy of dunces comes to mind when I think of our school board.
RaleighHunts Dec 12, 12:08 p.m.
Super. I have a toddler and an infant, and they have just reassigned my address FROM an elementary school and middle school that are LITERALLY within walking distance (I can nearly SEE them from our house) to ones that are a few miles away, and in one case I'd be driving directly PAST the old assigned school and going a couple more miles to the new one. HOW does that make any sense? So much for going to school where you live. Neighborhoos/proximity FAIL!
dvrdwn Dec 12, 12:07 p.m.
The reason people aren't going to vote for any school bond is not because they don't want to support their school(s), it's simply because the school board is a joke and has no clue on how to best spend the money. Look at their track record.... poor decision after poor decision. Nuff said.
If we get rid of left-wing Liberals, socio-economic believers, race-based agendas, soccer-moms, etc. etc. and replace them with business professionals who know how to manage money and make good investments, then and only then will problems begin to get solved. Better yet, half of the board should consist of successful business leaders in the area, the other half students and teachers. The students and teachers are in the trenches and know what is needed/required and the business professionals will manage the funds appropriately. No politics, no BS.
markjb33 Dec 12, 12:06 p.m.
The simpleist thing would be, but it will never happen:
Students go to the nearest school, if that one is filled, the next nearest.
Busing ONLY for those that live outside a 2 mile(as the crow flies) radius.
All schools are outfitted the same.
All PTA money is pooled and distributed equally!
If a child is excelling at something, said child may elect to attend a magnet school. That election is on the child, and said parents provide transport to and from.
Simple, but just won't happen
heisenberg Dec 12, 11:58 a.m.
So apparent that the school board really does not have the best interest of the kids as their priority.
westernwake1 Dec 12, 11:47 a.m.
"NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOLS AND SCHOOL STABILITY WILL COST MORE.
If you want these things, you should support the next bond issue.
They will cost more because new schools will open under capacity, and will be built in more expensive (higher density) places." - babbleon
I support neighborhood schools and disagree that they will cost more. The reduction in bussing costs associated with bussing children acrosss town for diversity or providing 5 different choices should more than offset any additional costs.
Wake County already opens new high schools with just 9th and 10th grade, new middle schools with just 6th grade, and elementary schools with K-2. These schools are signficantly under-capacity until they fill up. Neighborhood school assignment would not make the capacity issues related to new schools any worse.
Conservative Dec 12, 11:14 a.m.
I have suggested this several times before - NON COOPERATION - is a great tool. All parents should take their children to the neighborhood schools on the first day of school and should not budge come what may. Yes, they will call the police. Stay there peacefully so things do not take a 90-degree turn, insist that your child will go to that school. If it does not work on Day 1, come back on Day 2 and keep at it. This is the only way you can effect a change. Otherwise, keep venting on this forum but nothing is going to happen!
This does not affect me - my youngest graduates from High School in June 2013.
All the best.
offthegrid7165 Dec 12, 11:03 a.m.
All you wake county bobos got exactly what you deserved... Unfortunately... your children have to suffer the poor decisions of all involved... The whole bus for socioeconomic diversity issue (i.e. MONEY) is a scam by these so called officials who run the schools.... What a boat load of bull butter.... Anyway, all of you.. sit back and enjoy the fruits of your labor...
charmcclainlovesdogs2 Dec 12, 11:01 a.m.
Vote the right people in the next time.
charmcclainlovesdogs2 Dec 12, 10:59 a.m.
When will it all end?
rhess2 Dec 12, 10:49 a.m.
What a fiasco the Wake County School Board has been over the past few years. Blame can be equally divided between Republican and Democrat board members. What has been going on there mimics the partisan divide happening in politics all over the Nation. I'm not sure it should be necessary for a school board to be politicized the way it is. It's time for board members to work together to solve problems and the best way to do that is compromise on issues. Regardless of what their political affiliation is they should never forget they were elected to serve all the students and parents in Wake Co.
beckymlh Dec 12, 10:45 a.m.
I find it funny the school board delude themselves into thinking this offers stability. They changed the plan for a 3rd time in 3 years. And then they also seem to think they are "non partisan". Just sick of it all.
charmcclainlovesdogs2 Dec 12, 10:43 a.m.
No thanks, I won't vote for any school bond until there are people on the board that are respectable.
A little too late for that. Think about that the next time.
bichonman Dec 12, 10:42 a.m.
Just a little Peyton Place and Wake County deserves what they are getting. You voted and put these people in office.
pappybigtuna1 Dec 12, 10:42 a.m.
as stated before the Wake Co. School Board is not about education of the youth.
It appears to be about who controls who, they are not doing what we are paying them to do, they are doing what they want.
The school board is geared to please the adults NOT our children. These children could and would get an education in a sheet metal building, but this is not acceptable to the adults
I don't want to pay for anymore bussing, it did not work, that time has passed. Time to find some other social injustice, like a cure for mentally challenged parents & adults
charmcclainlovesdogs2 Dec 12, 10:41 a.m.
chairman said these things to Ms.Goldman
Just because someone says something that is not to pleasant to all, does not mean YOU the person have to fall into the same pot. Remember the teaching of your grandmother. She had wisdom, did she not. Mines did. :)
common_sense_plz Dec 12, 10:33 a.m.
@ Charm, the reason that the person said what they did with the "shut the bleep up", is because the current chairman said these things to Ms.Goldman a few months ago when discussing the termination of Mr. Tata.
common_sense_plz Dec 12, 10:29 a.m.
What I find so humorous are the people blaming these Pope/Luddy people for the problems with wake county schools. Apparently they have opened private schools in the area, well good for them at least the parents and children will not after worry from year to year where their child will have to go to school. But to blame wake county school problems on 2 men is so very funny to me.
charmcclainlovesdogs2 Dec 12, 10:22 a.m.
These certain people will still not be satified. Watch for it.
charmcclainlovesdogs2 Dec 12, 10:20 a.m.
Mr. Shut The bleep Up?? Mr. We're Gonna Kick Your A##es?
This is a very offensive comment and not appreciated. I know you can chat better than that. Monitors why did you allow this kind of language.
tony57 Dec 12, 10:15 a.m.
The Board is now being [led] by a liar. If he'll lie once, he'll lie a hundred times. And he was elected as the "best" the board had to offer? No thanks, I won't vote for any school bond until there are people on the board that are respectable.
northern-transplant Dec 12, 10:06 a.m.
Sutton called on the board to provide "exemplary leadership"? Mr. Shut The bleep Up?? Mr. We're Gonna Kick Your A##es?
OMG - now I've heard it all.
babbleon Dec 12, 9:55 a.m.
I cnot imagine the voters of Wake County will pass ANY bond for these bozos to fritter away. tarheelfan41
While I am not happy with the financial decisions the 2009 - 2012 board made (wasting $1M on moving that high school? really?), people need to recognize:
NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOLS AND SCHOOL STABILITY WILL COST MORE.
If you want these things, you should support the next bond issue.
They will cost more because new schools will open under capacity, and will be built in more expensive (higher density) places.
Even though I *don't* support neigh. schools, I recognize that's what we have to deal with now, and that it is more expensive. We also have higher growth than projected, have not been allowed in increase impact fees, and rejected a couple of school bonds in the 90s - we're behind on our infrastructure.
Public education is important for a healthy society. I'm willing to pay for that.
mustangyts Dec 12, 9:51 a.m.
We all know the REAL truth of the reassignment plan. We all know the REAL truth why our public schools cannot compete internationally as they once did. We all know that teachers spend more time trying to keep order than teaching. I feel for teachers in todays public schools. We have sacraficed our children on the alter of diversity. TRUTH!!!!!!!!
babbleon Dec 12, 9:49 a.m.
Thank God my kids have graduated. The school board is a Joke! jambro22
So, did WCPSS do a good job of educating your kids?
babbleon Dec 12, 9:48 a.m.
if i sell my house now the people moving into my neighborhood in cary get bused all across town... ProzacDispenser
We live on the Raleigh/Cary line. My 5yo is about to go into kindergarten, and we are being offered the closest school. Four of the next five options are also the next closest schools; the fifth is a magnet.
Even before Pope/Luddy tried to disrupt WCPSS, in 2009, 86% of students were assigned to schools within 5 miles; 98% within 10. Busing is not a real issue.
Reassignment was a real issue, but that's not your complaint.
babbleon Dec 12, 9:41 a.m.
To all the people thinking about moving to Wake County, NC..... do your homework and you will see how horrible the school system is. dvrdw
Yeah, do your homework. Wake is a target for right-wing fat cats Pope and Luddy because of our size and proximity. Pope and Luddy want to tear down public schools so that they can make money and influence kids in their private schools.
The churn in Wake Co board is due to people financed by Pope & Luddy. They are also deeply involved at the state level, so expect more education cuts, despite three years of cuts and an improving economy.
Despite all that, our past education was pretty good - 4th & 8th graders are on par with global peers.
I don't actually recommend coming here if your kid is under 10yo, or if you're not already well-off. We're now a 'equal opportunity for the rich' state.
jambro22 Dec 12, 9:36 a.m.
Thank God my kids have graduated. The school board is a Joke!
bikely Dec 12, 9:36 a.m.
The "choice plan" was a mess, and unsustainable. Address based assignments are a necessity; this assignment plan is better than the previous one. Cannot possibly make everyone happy all the time.
I am satisfied.
tarheelfan41 Dec 12, 9:35 a.m.
I cnot imagine the voters of Wake County will pass ANY bond for these bozos to fritter away. Both sides of the political spectrum realize the BOE is made up of "win at all cost" mentalities. It is not win for the kids, its win for my side. They should shelve the bond idea until sanity returns to the BOE itself. Waste if time and waste of even more money.
babbleon Dec 12, 9:34 a.m.
Well, unfortunately the voters forgot the fact that for decades this is what Democrat controlled boards did to them. whatelseisnew
Way to ignore history!
The you forget the fact that the voters voted down bond issues in the 90s that would have built more schools, earlier and in better locations. The boards shuffled people into new schools as they opened, making sure they opened near capacity, which lets them run cheaper per student.
They sacrificed STABILITY for COST, and now we're seeing the pendulum swing back.
But people need to realize: neighborhood schools will cost more.
babbleon Dec 12, 9:29 a.m.
Once the new assignment plan falls apart or needs revised again (because it doesn't work and never has), who will the Democratic board point the finger at? You will NOT get my vote for any new tax/bond increase! dvrdwn
Wait, the GOP-designed plan 'never has' worked, but it's the Dem's fault? And you're going to resist any new tax/bond increase because.. ?
If you want neighborhood schools, you have to pay for them to be built AND you have to pay for new schools to run under capacity until enough new people move into the neighborhood to fill them up.
You can't have it both ways - neighborhood schools WILL cost more. Tata explained this, and it's very clear from the data. Objecting to new taxes/fees/bonds is cutting of your nose to spite your face.
babbleon Dec 12, 9:25 a.m.
We need to stop building traditional public schools. Provide vouchers.... [Public school cost] involves payment for infrastructure... and transportation. Eliminate all that and more could go DIRECTLY into actual EDUCATION. whatelseisnew
Hi Pope! or are you Luddy?
Do you seriously think that private (for profit!) schools won't charge enough to cover the cost of land and buildings? They'd go out of business fast.
But the thing about public education is that it gives poor people (who can't afford to drive their kids to school every day) a chance to achieve the American dream, to become nurses or programmers. It's valuable to them and to all of society to have every child reach their fullest potential, not just the potential their parents can afford.
ps: did you know, Finland has no private schools at all, and it's considered the best education system in the world?
dvrdwn Dec 12, 9:19 a.m.
Geee, another vote down party lines. Does that surprise anyone? Wasted time... wasted tax payer dollars.... wasted efforts. What Wake Co. needs to do is vote in all Democrats/Liberals to the school board. Then and only then will the blame-game stop. Once the new assignment plan falls apart or needs revised again (because it doesn't work and never has), who will the Democratic board point the finger at? You will NOT get my vote for any new tax/bond increase!
And let's not forget about the lack of discipline Wake County schools fail to provide. My kids have to put up with obnoxious students who are unwilling to behave and learn, because the Principal won't suspend them. Teachers are afraid to discipline the students because they aren't backed and supported by the Principal. No accountability!
To all the people thinking about moving to Wake County, NC..... do your homework and you will see how horrible the school system is. Our kids and teachers are suffering.
hapd Dec 12, 9:15 a.m.
What a bunch of fools. Wake County is dysfunctional in the way they run the school district. You will not have any NEW ideas in how to run the district. Copy a comparable school district policies and move on!!
babbleon Dec 12, 9:14 a.m.
. I think the best thing for everybody and also safe is to have their kids go to the nearest school from where they live at.
Because of the explosive growth in Wake county and voters rejecting two bond issues in the 90s, assigning everyone to the closest school would make the current over-crowding issues even worse.
Before 2009, 86% of students were assigned to schools within 5 miles of home, and 98% within 10. Busing was never a real problem; it's something made up to be a wedge issue.
Reassignments were a real problem. The board clearly sacrificed STABILITY for COST - opening new schools at full capacity.
If we support the new bond, then we might be able to catch up on the backlog of school building we need. But everyone needs to recognize that reassignment stability is going to raise operating costs, including busing and new schools opening under capacity.
Native_NCer Dec 12, 9:12 a.m.
It's funny to me how this time last year the headline would have been, "Wake school board adopts Divisive assignment plan with party line vote". This year a 5/4 vote seems to be a consensus because only 1 percent will be affected - until next year.... We here in Durham thank you for your school board! It takes the pressure off of us.
justiceforall Dec 12, 9:05 a.m.
You wanted Democratic rule, you got it. Pure insanity, just like the Feds. Enjoy.
CamelWolfCat Dec 12, 9:03 a.m.
I thought the buffet slayer was the leader
Just let the democrats have their way. I'm sure they will fix it. Isn't that the real reason we are having these re-assignment problems anyway.
December 11, 2012 11:02 a.m.
dontstopnow Dec 12, 8:59 a.m.
Not to worry Wake County, William Barber has it all under control now. I mean, has anyone heard a word from him since he created enough public nuisance to get the previous board voted out and Tony Tata fired and replaced with someone he can control???? Nope, not a peep since things are going his way now.... Doesn't this make people think? If not, you are living under a rock.
ali817959 Dec 12, 8:58 a.m.
This is the crazy. I dont know what this people are thinking about. I have lived in other counties here in NC and wake county school system is a joke. I think the best thing for everybody and also safe is to have their kids go to the nearest school from where they live at. If you want your kids to go any particular school, move close to it. Ii is that simple. Instead of waste all that money on transportation they should spend it on having more teachers so our kids have a better education. I dont personally think that having a more diverse school makes education better. This diversity nonsense is some BS. If you want to have an education it doesnt matter where you go.
Garnerwolf1 Dec 12, 8:46 a.m.
Interesting that the ones that cause the problems in the first place are the ones that complain the most. This ain't burger king. You don't get to have it your way all the time.
whatelseisnew Dec 12, 8:34 a.m.
"so if i sell my house now the people moving into my neighboorhood in cary get bused all across town so they can bus in kids from garner and west raleigh. we have over 324 names in our group and we will petition the town very soon to break away and form our own school district in cary."
Good luck with that, although the real solution is to dismantle and replace the current outmoded K5-K12 system.
whatelseisnew Dec 12, 8:33 a.m.
"Not happy at all with the new assignment plan. We live on the outskirts of Fuquay going towards Raleigh. We are now assigned to a middle school in Holly Springs and have to pass 2 other middle schools to get there. How is that supposed to be better?"
Well, unfortunately the voters forgot the fact that for decades this is what Democrat controlled boards did to them. The Reps had a very brief tenure, and a lot of that was spent fending off attacks from the lefties. The lefties will never allow anything to remain in place long enough to prove them wrong if they can help it. They care not about reality, they care only about control.
whatelseisnew Dec 12, 8:31 a.m.
What else is new? The only way parents will regain control of the schools is for the money to go with the student. We need to stop building traditional public schools. Provide vouchers and allow the parents to have CHOICE. As it is now, the schools no longer serve the public, instead the taxpayers and students are serfs to a dysfunctional system. funny how the progressives try to lay claim that anything traditional is worthless, but yet insist on maintaining a system that is slightly less than worthless and exceedingly expensive. Despite the vast amount of dollars expended all we hear is carping about pay. Well maintaining this system involves much more then the expense of the labor. It involves payment for infrastructure, purchase of land and equipment, payment for operations and transportation. Eliminate all that expense and much more could go DIRECTLY into the actual EDUCATION.
itneverchanges Dec 12, 8:24 a.m.
Wake county school board is the laughing stock of the nation.
kmcloughlin Dec 12, 8:20 a.m.
Not happy at all with the new assignment plan. We live on the outskirts of Fuquay going towards Raleigh. We are now assigned to a middle school in Holly Springs and have to pass 2 other middle schools to get there. How is that supposed to be better?
LuvLivingInCary Dec 12, 8:20 a.m.
so if i sell my house now the people moving into my neighboorhood in cary get bused all across town so they can bus in kids from garner and west raleigh. we have over 324 names in our group and we will petition the town very soon to break away and form our own school district in cary.
i hope gas goes up to $10 a gallon.
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03