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  • rjrumfelt Dec 12, 3:05 p.m.

    This artcle really frustrates me. It isn't Kroger's responsibility to provide goods and services to the area. If Kroger moves out, then someone from the local community should see that as an opportunity for a small business. They could open up a neighborhood grocery store.

    It boggles my mind that people think a company should be coerced to operate at a loss. Look at the Post Office and see how well they are doing, having to operate at a loss.

  • CaryMacGuy Dec 12, 2:20 p.m.

    I think the government needs to have the authority to tell a grocery store that they need to remain open when it closing can negatively impact community citizens. If we as tax payers need to subsidize, then so be it.

  • superman Dec 12, 9:30 a.m.

    More than 100 people attended a community meeting Monday evening at Martin Street Baptist Church to express their disappointment in Kroger's decision to close and to start looking for solutions.

    That church must not have a minister and no members. A minister should call all the churches in the surrounding neighborhood and work out a plan among the churches to provide weekly transportion for these people. It isnt Kroger's responsiblity nor the city. Has the church helping people vanished?

  • superman Dec 12, 9:15 a.m.

    Yep, cause you only have to go to the grocery store once every 4 years. Brilliant thinking there. I hope they will not be using you in the think tank. GravyPig

    You are like the churches my comment just flew right over your head. They can get them to vote but when it comes to providing some real help they not available. Helping a person who is in real need only one time is not any real help. Why dont the churches realize they can help and do something. They have vans and buses that they use to pick people up and take them to church and vote.

  • farm Dec 12, 9:10 a.m.

    "How did we fall all over these people as you say? Are you referring to allowing them to vote...Such a horrible thing. Allowing Americans to vote."

    You will help them vote but not eat?

  • superman Dec 12, 9:09 a.m.

    I read several months ago that there is a church near Charlotte that helps the poor, senior citizens etc. If we had churches in Raleigh and Wake County that had compassion and feelings they could reach out and help those people. But in the absence of any well meaning pastors and churches they are having to look to Kroger or other stores for their help. It is a sad day that churches no longer feel a need to help people.

  • btneast Dec 12, 8:44 a.m.

    The lease was not going to be renewed. The property owner has a different plan than what is currently there. Kroger has been slowly exiting NC for some time now anyway. Don't be surpised if Kroger gets an offer they can't refuse from a larger grocery chain looking to move into this area.

  • btneast Dec 12, 8:41 a.m.

    Yep, cause you only have to go to the grocery store once every 4 years. Brilliant thinking there

    That wasn't the point......the point was someone only cared about their vote, not there true well being....

  • Bill Brasky Dec 12, 8:28 a.m.

    "Its a valid point, you fell all over these folks when you needed them to vote but now when they need a ride you can't be bothered with them."

    How did we fall all over these people as you say? Are you referring to allowing them to vote...Such a horrible thing. Allowing Americans to vote.

  • storchheim Dec 11, 7:40 p.m.

    "They can get to the grocery store the same way they got to the polls to vote." superman

    "Agreed. Where are all those free rides now?" welf=trap

    Which candidate was it who "wasn't going to be bothered with the 47%"?

  • Crumps Br0ther Dec 11, 7:06 p.m.

    Yep, cause you only have to go to the grocery store once every 4 years. Brilliant thinking there. I hope they will not be using you in the think tank.
    GravyPig

    Its a valid point, you fell all over these folks when you needed them to vote but now when they need a ride you can't be bothered with them. You're a lib you have a huge heart right? Get ya a huge van and tote em to the store since you are so worried about them. But I guess its easier just to sit at your desk and attack Kroger

  • Alexia Dec 11, 6:42 p.m.

    Why not just drive down the road 2 miles (or in the case of New Bern Ave) or a few hundred yards to the neighboring stores? Oh... that's where the customers already go. The only people upset are the few customers that went to Kroger. I like Kroger, myself, but apparently most people preferred other stores. Point is that there are other stores! This is a non-issue!

  • echokit Dec 11, 6:31 p.m.

    Why not start a co-op? That along with some community gardens might help fill the void. Until then either take the bus (be glad you have one close by to take) or give a neighbor a ride. Instead of bellyaching and asking for the government to fix the problem, get off your dead tails and do something!

  • GravyPig Dec 11, 6:02 p.m.

    "And I think it is worth repeating Superman's response "They can get to the grocery store the same way they got to the polls to vote.""

    Yep, cause you only have to go to the grocery store once every 4 years. Brilliant thinking there. I hope they will not be using you in the think tank.

  • PJM Dec 11, 5:56 p.m.

    MR or mrs conservative voter....Sorry you are unable to relate to someone struggling from paycheck to paycheck and if anyone feels they are entitled is folks like you,bet your mouth hurts holding that silver spoon.

  • ConservativeVoter Dec 11, 5:39 p.m.

    It's interesting how the City and the Democrats pander to SE Raleigh.

    It's because this area blindly votes Democrat to protect their entitlement check from the government.

    The City and the Democrats don't want these people to clean up their lives and improve their standard of living because this people won't vote Democrat anymore since they are no longer getting an entitlement check.

  • Alexia Dec 11, 5:39 p.m.

    Is the government just wasting time, money, or both? Clearly, if the store was heavily patronized, then they would not close. They were not getting enough business to stay open. Might that be because of all of those other grocery stores? It's too much trouble to drive 1.7 miles down the road to Food Lion? Perhaps that's where customers are already going?

  • apennyforyourthoughts Dec 11, 5:08 p.m.

    "It is very intersting that the meeting was held in a church and helping these people just never even crossed the Minister's mine or the congregation. Must be a wonderful church. I am from the "ole school" where churches helped people in need." superman

    What makes you think this church isn't already helping people? Just curious!

  • superman Dec 11, 4:50 p.m.

    It is very intersting that the meeting was held in a church and helping these people just never even crossed the Minister's mine or the congregation. Must be a wonderful church. I am from the "ole school" where churches helped people in need.

  • drjones74 Dec 11, 4:43 p.m.

    I gave this store every chance but every time I went in the lines were long and slow or I'd get behind someone who was a friend of the cashier who would then proceed to talk for 5 minutes while I waited behind them with my 2 items. Self checkout was never open. So I took my money elsewhere.

  • superman Dec 11, 4:42 p.m.

    It use to be that years ago the churches helped people in need. Instead of depending on Kroger how about contacting the churches in the area for help. They have buses and vans that they use for church activities. If the ministers and the churches dont see a need to help why should Kroger. If I had a relative or close friend in need I would be willing to see that they had transportation. Maybe they could "hitch" a ride with a neighbor. Dont blame the store cause they been losing money for 10 years and they have had enough.

  • seanlondajackson Dec 11, 4:39 p.m.

    You know what..Forget Kroger. If they can't even meet with the community face to face, then they need to get their mess and pack it up! Harris Teeter should not be in the mix because they are over priced, and Food Lion already has two stores in that area (Raleigh Blvd and Rock Quarry Road at Cross Link). Bring in Piggly Wiggly or IGA.

  • mpk976 Dec 11, 4:24 p.m.

    So maybe the city should crack down on shoplifters and try to turn the SE Raleigh area around, and make it more "profitable." Make the area appealing to not only grocery stores, but other types of stores/businesses. I'm not saying everything should be top of the line, fancy, upscale, etc. But you can be considered low income and still take care of your things and clean up around the outside of your house. With a little bit of WORK, the area could turn around.

  • GravyPig Dec 11, 4:20 p.m.

    "Every day I see the consequences of the election and the resulting rage of the libs."

    So far the only ones raging on here are the ones who miss their beloved Mitt. It's funny, everything is the libs fault, and we are also the ones who are raging. You guys just try to turn everything around and try to put it on the libs.

  • rationality Dec 11, 4:12 p.m.

    Haggis, the quality of food is not a problem in this country. The poor can go to any grocery store anywhere in this city and get food subsidized by the American taxpayer. Get off your high horse. If they choose not to use their taxpayer subsidies to buy that food, that's their decision. The quality of food is not a problem. Decision making is.

  • piene2 Dec 11, 4:09 p.m.

    If there is money to be made there Food Lion will will fill the void. If not than perhaps the city can provide some sort of jitney to transport the needy, let us say, twice a week or so.

  • Grand Union Dec 11, 3:59 p.m.

    "Yes because a military installation would bring in a lot of money. Ya see, military folks have steady jobs and tend to spend money on things in their neighborhood. Fayetteville car dealers love it when the troops come home with fat pockets and look to buy a car. Ya know what else the dealership makes money EVIL!! And the salesman makes a commission EVIL! People should just be given everything right?"

    The point is we subsidize them coming to poorer areas to help those areas.....after all who is likely to invade north Carolina that we need one of the biggest army bases here :).....Kroger no doubt brought quite a bit of money into downtown raleigh through jobs etc so the comparison is still valid.

  • GravyPig Dec 11, 3:59 p.m.

    ""Nope, no mention of shrink as the main cause."

    Oh it is a contributing factor."

    While it may be a contributing factor, it is not the main cause. I have worked in retail, and shrink is always a factor. If there isn't shrink, then you either don't have any product on the shelf or the store is already closed.

  • ConservativeVoter Dec 11, 3:57 p.m.

    "Just another topic to waste time and money on. If you want food within walking distance, move to a bigger city. No where is there a law that states there has to be a grocery store X amount of miles from every neighborhood. Sounds like "southeast Raleigh" needs to focus on WHY these stores weren't profitable and fix those issues. Because it shouldn't take much for a grocery store to be profitable. Maybe if they fix those problems, the grocery stores will come running back!"

    Problem is with the victim and entitlement mentalities which are rampant in this country, it can't be the fault of anything or anybody in Southeast Raleigh. It has to be that the "man" doesn't want the people of Southeast Raleigh to have a grocery store.

    With all of the grocery stores in Raleigh and Wake County, there are soon to be no stores in SE Raleigh for a reason and that's the shoplifters in SE Raleigh who've made the stores unprofitable.

  • Grand Union Dec 11, 3:57 p.m.

    "How do you expect the people who provide that food to make more food?"

    The same way I expect the people who provide my policing and fire protection to continue to do so. The feds and States subsidize those services in poor areas so why not Supermarkets?

    Do you think Farmers are not subsidized? That is making your food cheaper whether you need the help or not...

  • Grand Union Dec 11, 3:53 p.m.

    "According to liberals it is, but they want you to pay for it"

    Its a safe bet this Liberal is paying a lot more taxes than you are.....

  • Grand Union Dec 11, 3:48 p.m.

    "I love the pure arrogance of people who sit on their high horse and preach about who or what they think should and should not be allowed to profit. They treat profit as if it is the worst thing on the earth, then on other forums brag about their income. This country was built on capitalism and freedom, which has enabled millions and millions of people to succeed and better themselves without government. Now the system has been transformed by the nanny state and people who think they know better how to take care of ourselves than we do. It's ruining our nation."

    LOL The gov has always helped some profit and not others.....who do you think gave the land to the Families of the Founding Fathers? Who gave the land to the railroads or indeed built many of the first railroads? Who gave the land to the Farmers?

    Profit is not a crime but poor people having to pay more for poorer quality food is.

  • Grand Union Dec 11, 3:42 p.m.

    "And I think it is worth repeating Superman's response "They can get to the grocery store the same way they got to the polls to vote."

    and its worth repeating that you vote at most once or twice a year but you grocery shop 50 to 150 times.....

  • Grand Union Dec 11, 3:41 p.m.

    "To paraphrase the great community agitator (organizer) Barack Obama.
    Kroger didn't build those stores and run them, somebody else did so Kroger shouldn't be allowed to close them."

    So losing the election after cherry picking hasn't cured you?

  • Bill Brasky Dec 11, 3:33 p.m.

    "You are making the assumption that these extra people that will join the insurance pool have no health issues."

    Let me stop you here. If they have health issues and are not insured, aren't we already paying for them..Thus the big reason for healthcare costs in the USA being so high?

    "More insurance also means more administration"

    More administration means more jobs, besides wasn't part of the healthcare overhaul to curb excessive paperwork for filing claims.

    "villain is NOT coverage, its the overall cost of medical care in general. Getting more people covered does not address the bigger issue of why are basic medical costs so expensive."

    Once again, its the lack of coverage that is driving healthcare costs up. Why we pay $50 a bandaid at the hospital. They have to recoup their losses somewhere.

  • Crumps Br0ther Dec 11, 3:31 p.m.

    Do you think NC would be so keen to woo the military if the base was in north Raleigh rather than in Fayetteville? In Cary rather than in Cherry Point?
    Grand Union

    Yes because a military installation would bring in a lot of money. Ya see, military folks have steady jobs and tend to spend money on things in their neighborhood. Fayetteville car dealers love it when the troops come home with fat pockets and look to buy a car. Ya know what else the dealership makes money EVIL!! And the salesman makes a commission EVIL! People should just be given everything right?

  • Crumps Br0ther Dec 11, 3:18 p.m.

    One person's need is not another person's obligation, but if you'd like to fill the void by all means go for it.

    mattcli

    According to liberals it is, but they want you to pay for it

  • ConservativeVoter Dec 11, 3:06 p.m.

    No business isn't going to locate in geographicly depressed areas as long as the surrounding neighbors shoplift all of the profit out of the stores.

    First the Target at Capital and Millbrook and now these two Krogers.

    Businesses are there to make money, they aren't there to be charities for the surrounding neighborhood of shoplifters.

  • ConservativeVoter Dec 11, 3:04 p.m.

    To paraphrase the great community agitator (organizer) Barack Obama.

    Kroger didn't build those stores and run them, somebody else did so Kroger shouldn't be allowed to close them.

  • mpk976 Dec 11, 2:56 p.m.

    Just another topic to waste time and money on. If you want food within walking distance, move to a bigger city. No where is there a law that states there has to be a grocery store X amount of miles from every neighborhood. Sounds like "southeast Raleigh" needs to focus on WHY these stores weren't profitable and fix those issues. Because it shouldn't take much for a grocery store to be profitable. Maybe if they fix those problems, the grocery stores will come running back!

    And I think it is worth repeating Superman's response "They can get to the grocery store the same way they got to the polls to vote."

  • HANS FOR PRESIDENT!!!!! JK Dec 11, 2:48 p.m.

    They can get to the grocery store the same way they got to the polls to vote.
    superman

    Heh heh heh. Comment of the day......

  • rationality Dec 11, 2:47 p.m.

    I love the pure arrogance of people who sit on their high horse and preach about who or what they think should and should not be allowed to profit. They treat profit as if it is the worst thing on the earth, then on other forums brag about their income. This country was built on capitalism and freedom, which has enabled millions and millions of people to succeed and better themselves without government. Now the system has been transformed by the nanny state and people who think they know better how to take care of ourselves than we do. It's ruining our nation.

  • Grand Union Dec 11, 2:43 p.m.

    "Wow, you make me feel old. Ever hear of the USSR? They nationalized their industries and ended up with stores with nothing on the shelves, long lines for toilet paper and bread....when it was available. Take away the incentives to succeed, and that is what you end up with."

    LOL ever heard of farm subsidies? Food has been subsidized in the US for all your life. One could find a way to encourage Supermarkets to come and stay in an area just as we find way for businesses and military bases to come.

    Do you think NC would be so keen to woo the military if the base was in north Raleigh rather than in Fayetteville? In Cary rather than in Cherry Point?

  • Grand Union Dec 11, 2:37 p.m.

    "GREAT POINT! They can get them to the polls to vote but after that they are done using them. Why would they bother taking them to get groceries?"

    so how often do we have elections? once maybe twice a year, now how often do you go grocery shopping? 50 100 times a year. Now did you notice that the first numbers are much smaller than the second ones? now divide the big numbers by the small numbers and you will get an idea of how much more effort is involved for groceries as opposed to voting. I'll do the math for you.....its at least 25 times more and as much as 100 times more.

  • working for deadbeats Dec 11, 2:32 p.m.

    "Not quite sure why something as basic as food should always have to turn a profit."

    How do you expect the people who provide that food to make more food? They

  • Grand Union Dec 11, 2:31 p.m.

    ""No tears here. Every day I see the consequences of the election and the resulting rage of the libs. I'm happier than I was before the election and can't wait to go over the cliff." storchheim"

    I wonder if you will be so happy in 2014 :)

  • working for deadbeats Dec 11, 2:30 p.m.

    "They can get to the grocery store the same way they got to the polls to vote." superman

    Agreed. Where are all those free rides now?

  • North Carolina Cutie Dec 11, 2:23 p.m.

    The election is over the President won get over it. You can the people that think they have it all. Your time will come when things change and not right at your finger tips.

  • btneast Dec 11, 2:13 p.m.

    Not quite sure why something as basic as food should always have to turn a profit.

    Wow, you make me feel old. Ever hear of the USSR? They nationalized their industries and ended up with stores with nothing on the shelves, long lines for toilet paper and bread....when it was available. Take away the incentives to succeed, and that is what you end up with.

  • GravyPig Dec 11, 2:12 p.m.

    "SE Raleigh brainstorm. Well, not sure how that works out."

    The same way it would work anywhere else. What are you insinuating?

    "But a business that is not profitable is just that, it is not racist."

    No one has made any racist accusations in any of the articles. Well with the expection of the posters that are making assumptions based on South Raleigh = poor = minority = stealing.

    "I am sure as the facts show, there is more crime in SE Raleigh, as well as more shoplifting, it probably did not help with the store's profits."

    Where are these facts. Unless you have seen the actual figures, it is just heresay and supposition. Sounds like your facts are biased from your previous statements.

    Maybe the city of Raleigh, will open a grocery store just for them, with our tax money going to more entitlements."

    Ok, now I see. Yes, entitlements. Got it, your statements speak volumes.

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