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  • nufsaid Dec 21, 3:19 p.m.

    Way past time for a thorough external investigation?

  • 903 mens national championships Dec 21, 11:52 a.m.

    It was pretty obvious why Martin was chosen to do the investigation. Guy can barely finish a complete sentence anymore, how's he gonna run a thorough investigation? Especially in an environment where the investigated had many months to get all their records in order so anything incriminating wouldn't be found.

  • FE Dec 21, 11:19 a.m.

    I am greatly disappointed in former Governor Martin, whom I previously held to be a person of integrity.

    While I feel certain he and his committee can somehow justify their findings, to an unbiased outside observer the whole thing smells like a continuing coverup. Or, at the very least, a report prepared by those with tunnel vision and/or blinders on.

    To report the "only" problems were within the Department of African and Afro-American Studies makes about as much sense as saying that various foxes invaded the hen house...because it was a good place to get out of the sun.

    Hopefully the local news media, as well as the supporters of that school in Raleigh who went through the NCAA wringers for FAR less, will continue their search for the real truth.


  • ACC Nation Dec 21, 11:12 a.m.

    Most of these comments are very uneducated. Most do not know anything about writing a report because they have never written one. Governor Martin does not have subpoena powers. He cannot enter speculation or innuendo in his report like you can in this blog. His report must be fact based. State fans need only remember their own scandals involving David Thompson and Jim Valvano. This Carolina obession you have is not healthy. Perhaps you feel the need to tear down UNC because you cannot build up NCS as evidenced by your records in the series-Football-North Carolina: 64; NC State: 33; Ties: 6---basketbal-North Carolina: 147; NC State: 75

  • superman Dec 21, 10:27 a.m.

    The review just skimmed the surface. No real issues were investigated. Just a lot of surface stuff that we knew anyway. It was real smart for Thorp to pick his own investigator. Wish he had pointed out the parts of the report that he expects us to believe.

  • Sherlock Dec 21, 10:02 a.m.

    Did we really expect him to find anything wrong?

  • mxteam44 Dec 21, 9:20 a.m.

    "NCAA does their investigation and hands down their penalties, that's not good enough. Davis is ordered to turn over his phone records, that's not good enough. Martin, who attended Davidson and Princeton, in combination with a consulting firm completely independent of UNC does an investigation, that's not good enough. Point is, it will never be good enough."


  • wildpig777 Dec 21, 9:17 a.m.

    welp i see martin as still as confused as he was when he was gov nor... of course the program was atheletic driven---

  • corey3rd2 Dec 21, 8:59 a.m.

    How many of these students with abnormal grade changes received degrees from UNC? How many of the non-student/athletes had connections to the athletes - family, friends or lovers?

  • vile garbage Dec 21, 8:58 a.m.

    OLOVE to hear the haters this morning. Music to my ears! Please continue to whine, cry and act like you are more informed about this than everyone that investigated it personally.

  • superman Dec 21, 8:38 a.m.

    There were about 387 grade changes. Did you investigate the grade change to see why? A couple dozen students would not have had that many emergencies and need for a temporary grade. He didnt do much of an investigation. Just a poor white wash. A 4th grader could have done a better job but then he didnt want to get to the truth anyway.

  • early exit Roy Dec 21, 8:36 a.m.

    The sad thing is the university isn't helping these black kids at all. They give them passing grades without learning anything. This is started at an early age. If you are a good basketball player or footall player grades ae given to you in high school so you can continue to play. So these kids are use to getting everything they want and it continues all the way through until death. So when the finish their four years of eligibility and don't make the pros they can't function in the real world. That's why many of them turn to crime.

  • early exit Roy Dec 21, 8:29 a.m.

    You know what Gov, I voted for you twice. What a mistake! I didn't realize you could be bought off so easily. Everyone knew you were going to cook the books. You would never have been a detective because you look the other way where where there's no evidence. Why didn't you interview Willingham, coaches, and others that were involved. What a waste of time and money. My unc friends told me you wouldn't find anything. You know these people I am talking about. You help perpetuate this fraud. Sleep well!

  • JohnnyVoodoo Dec 21, 8:28 a.m.

    This so-called investigation was a joke from the beginning and it's even more of a joke now that it's been completed. There should've been subpoenas handed out and testimonies heard in a civil court setting to say the least. Then you would've seen the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill start to sink like the Titanic with professors, administrators, trustees, athletes, coaches, etc., all starting to jump ship and swim for their lives. But that's not gonna happen now, because the good ole boy network is alive and kicking over there on the hill.

  • superman Dec 21, 8:24 a.m.

    The two people that involved werent even interviewed. No current athletes were interviwed. Mr. Martin could you tell us just how these students were allowed to enroll in college when they can barely read and write. Do they have a ball handling exercise of the SAT tests? If they didnt know how to play ball there is no college in the country who would enroll them.

    Well the Fox has reported on the Hen house and all the chickens are doing well. Wasted time and money again. What did we expect when the Board suppored Thorp and asked him to reconsider his resignation. Thorp should have been the first one to be fired and then work their way down.

  • Crumps Br0ther Dec 21, 8:07 a.m.

    Isn't it racist in a round about way to have these students take easy classes because everyone else knew they weren't too bright?

  • GK N.Ral Dec 20, 7:37 p.m.

    Sham? How do you spell cover-up? How do you spell whitewash? What a joke!!!

  • CuriousT Dec 20, 7:26 p.m.

    "The report indicated that approximately 80 percent of the grade changes identified were temporary grades that were changed to permanent grades."- I was in school 19 years (elem. thru graduate school) and I never received a "temporary" grade.
    Inter Alios

    Some instructors will give a "temporary grade" to a student if the instructor extends the time to get a paper/project in beyond the end of the semester (illness, death in the family, etc.). I've had that a couple of times though I always completed all the work required for the class.

  • whatdidusay Dec 20, 7:25 p.m.

    Yea Right. Don't bite the hand that feeds you

  • luvbailey Dec 20, 7:04 p.m.

    This is devastating news to the Wolfies and all the other haters out there.

  • Rebelyell55 Dec 20, 6:40 p.m.

    LOL, who really ain't surprised at his finding?

  • unc70 Dec 20, 5:49 p.m.

    UNC has departments and curriculums focused on most regions of the world, not just Africa. These include a Department of American Studies, Department of Asian Studies, Center for European Studies, and so on. These programs are available as undergraduate majors and minors.

  • sjb2k1 Dec 20, 5:46 p.m.

    i for one am shocked that wasn't the case

  • aetius476 Dec 20, 4:54 p.m.

    "Nothing has been "white washed". UNC was found guilty of academic misconduct, has been punished, and has taken steps to ensure this will not happen again." - jgunn

    Has the fraudulent AFAM department and curriculum been eliminated or is it still functioning (possibly under an altered name) and continuuing to offer scam credits?

  • aetius476 Dec 20, 4:51 p.m.

    And the university continues to support and fund this sham AFAM studies department?

    Is this simply political correctness and a sop to the race baiters at the NAACP?

    Why would the university not immediately close down this joke of a curriculum and move the resources to legitimate departments?

  • wrx44 Dec 20, 4:38 p.m.

    Oh for gods sake...of course athletics drive the Af-Am scandal...what a whitewash.

  • StunGunn Dec 20, 4:33 p.m.

    @kornfan - You're absolutely right: no matter who conducted the investigation, if it doesn't give the NCAA cause to hand down the death penalty, it won't be enough for some people.

    I'm not condoning the academic fraud that went on at Carolina, not by a long shot. The University has been found guilty, punished, and people associated with the Af-Am Department as well as coaches, the AD, and even the Chancellor have either been fired or stepped down. This won't happen again, at least not at Carolina. Can people say the same about their school?

  • mpogoloff Dec 20, 4:29 p.m.

    What ties?

    "How about a true independent review that has no ties to UNC. Laughable, to say the least."

  • Inter Alios Dec 20, 4:26 p.m.

    "The report indicated that approximately 80 percent of the grade changes identified were temporary grades that were changed to permanent grades."- I was in school 19 years (elem. thru graduate school) and I never received a "temporary" grade.

  • ncguy Dec 20, 4:16 p.m.

    reminds me of the guy in animal house at the end

    ALl is well all is well

  • BlueForever Dec 20, 4:15 p.m.

    I think those who profess their outrage should read the report. The greater question here, that is unrelated to athletics only, is why did this go on in this ONE department? Is it because it was politically correct to ignore the concerns in this department? This issue is much more about grade inflation so that the dropout rates among minorities would not stand-out.

  • PacknoPride Dec 20, 4:06 p.m.

    How about a true independent review that has no ties to UNC. Laughable, to say the least.
    Let us know when K is ready to tell us where the money for the jewelry came from.

  • yellowhorses Dec 20, 4:03 p.m.

    What a whitewash.

  • kornfan2448 Dec 20, 4:00 p.m.

    NCAA does their investigation and hands down their penalties, that's not good enough. Davis is ordered to turn over his phone records, that's not good enough. Martin, who attended Davidson and Princeton, in combination with a consulting firm completely independent of UNC does an investigation, that's not good enough. Point is, it will never be good enough.

  • JR510 Dec 20, 3:29 p.m.

    It's truly a shame that the state's flagship university can get away with such an egregious crime. I've all but stopped supporting UNC's sports teams. I realize that the current guys on the football and basketball teams are likely not involved in any similar behavior, but rest assured, the entire foundation of the programs are corrupted now. It's embarrassing and all UNC alums should be outraged.

  • Dorothy Mantooth is a Saint Dec 20, 3:27 p.m.

    Before all of you try and destroy the University please realize that this is one Department in the entire University that was corrupt.There are many wonderful opportunities at UNC that are quality programs. To try and smear the whole schools academic reputation over one Department is rediculous. I do believe anyone who received a degree in the Afro American Studies Department should have to come back to school and earn a legitimate degree if it was given to them. Let's not kid ourselves this stuff goes on at all universities to varying degrees and fortunatley for UNC it has been identified and addressed.

  • weasel2 Dec 20, 3:20 p.m.

    The Good Ol Boy Club at its finest.

  • Rollin Like PDoobie Dec 20, 3:13 p.m.


    How about a true independent review that has no ties to UNC. Laughable, to say the least.

  • 1waves Dec 20, 3:08 p.m.

    robertgiles1950, Eleven months of the year ARE white history. * sigh *

  • mpogoloff Dec 20, 2:59 p.m.

    Are you two really that ignorant? At least you know how to type in CAPS and use the word ENTITLEMENTS, clearly reflects your gravitas.


    Why are there not departments for anglo saxon studies, asian studies, hispanic studies and so on... -----

    I am black and I agree with this to an extent... I personally believe they should close down the Afro-American studies department and not re-open it until there are anglo saxon studies, asian studies, and hispanic studies departments. Its time to truly be equal. No more special treatment

  • gnewsome1 Dec 20, 2:35 p.m.

    The UNC haters on here are having a ball with this. Wonder what would happen if they were investigated this thoroughly? Wait, has there ever been an athletic scandal a state? Why don't you boys clean out your own garbage before you come to Chapel Hill?

  • computer trainer Dec 20, 2:31 p.m.

    What happened to the PROF who felt it was appropraite to change the grades? Is he still there? Does he have tenure?

  • computer trainer Dec 20, 2:29 p.m.

    Athletics did not drive Af-Am grade changes- so WHAT did? Were the people taking those classes too DUMB to make the grades the CORRECT way?

  • gnewsome1 Dec 20, 2:26 p.m.

    Give State credit. The idea came from the school for farmers and mechanics.

  • affirmativediversity Dec 20, 2:22 p.m.

    If athletics didn't "drive" the Af-Am grades then what did?

  • deadeyejoe Dec 20, 2:21 p.m.

    LOL. Thorp's buddy Martin "investigating" and telling us all is well. Kinda like when Deano "looked into" Octagon and Forte's mom and telling us there was nothing to it.

  • ncguy Dec 20, 2:14 p.m.

    Puh Lease

  • Inter Alios Dec 20, 1:26 p.m.

    Good try Martin. Try again, and don't assume those reading your report are as dumb as some of the jocks who enrolled in the AA Studies courses.

  • hp277 Dec 20, 1:12 p.m.

    There's no news here. Nothing to substantiate rumors by and dreams of WolpFack fans everywhere.

    Are we done now? Will the press give it rest?

  • JoCo50 at MXR Dec 20, 1:07 p.m.

    ""Maybe these should be offered at private schools, but to use taxpayer subsidies makes little sense."

    Obviously, liberal arts schools would cease to exist under your model.

    How about history majors? or English majors? should we eliminate those as well?" FourAutumn

    ALL classes should be eliminated that require no attendance, no study, and no exam.

    A blind person could see that everything associated with Julius N'yangoro was a scam. No classes, no attendance, no lectures, no study, no exams. Tell me again why this man was drawing a salary from the state of NC.

    Everyone connected with UNC-CH should be hanging their heads in shame over this deal.

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