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westernwake1 Dec 7, 7:52 p.m.
After reviewing the information I have seen in the media about these pardons I support them. And I very rarely agree with the position of the NAACP.
retiredindependentpopo Dec 7, 6:15 p.m.
Let's name a bridge after them!!There's one in Wilmington!
retiredindependentpopo Dec 7, 6:14 p.m.
If anyone will do it, it will be Ol' Bev.. Turn'em loose and tell them to sue the State. We'll pay the bill.
retiredindependentpopo Dec 7, 6:12 p.m.
Always some one elses fault.
kistroud Dec 7, 5:56 p.m.
Love how detective, I mean Rev. Barber can prove jay Stroud lied to a judge. Really? Did he pull medical records? If so, better have had a warrant for that. Medical records are private. I know 100% FACT, he was in the hospital. Rev. Barber, THOU SHALT NOT LIE! Show us how that proves anything. Suggest or prove? That's the.......$4 million dollar question.
wakewiseone Dec 7, 5:21 p.m.
why now for the pardons??? cause pudge is a pushover, a mamby-pamby governor. these perps think they can manipulate her into doing it for them.
found guilty, overturned on appeal...............time to stop!!!!
kistroud Dec 7, 5:21 p.m.
If these 10 people are innocent, they should be pardoned. I believe that 100%.
How do we know they are innocent? There is nothing being done to find out who did this, IF they didn't.
hpr641 Dec 7, 5:13 p.m.
"Willie Earl Vereen was in high school when he was falsely accused of the crime – he wasn't even in the county when the store was burned ..."
That's what I had been wondering - were the convictions set aside because they wasn't obtained properly, or also because it was shown that they were innocent (I think the latter is the standard for a pardon). At least in this gentleman's case, I believe a pardon probably is appropriate. Thus, good luck Mr. Vereen.
storchheim Dec 7, 5:10 p.m.
Ah now see, that clears it up entirely! Why didn't you mention this, workinghuman33? You'd have saved yourself all that typing.
"Pardon is $55K per year of imprisionment."
piene2 Dec 7, 5:07 p.m.
Of course pardon and compensate him for pain and suffering.
kistroud Dec 7, 4:42 p.m.
Workinghuman, were you there? Is that what they were doing? I don't know. I wasn't born. What I do know
Ben Chavis, excuse me, REVEREND Ben Chavis was shady. That's a compliment. If you are accused of something like the Wilmington 10. I'll say accused because I don't know. Wouldn't you think you would keep your nose clean. Instead he gets fired for sexual harassment. I am pretty sure that shows a pattern of being shady.
As for the young man killed. Sad no matter what was happening. No question about it. Now, he had a gun that did not fire and was at that cops head. There was proof of that.
Police say there was sniper fire. I know a man shot in the face from actions during this riot. I saw this man a few days ago. Can't hide a scar on the mans face.
Do you really think this is just about "clearing their name?" If so, have them all sign a contract stating they won't no money, just a cleared name.
Is it strictly ironic this is 40 years later and on a lame duck Gov.?
workinghuman33 Dec 7, 4:06 p.m.
The article states "Willie Earl Vereen was in high school when he was falsely accused of the crime and spent five years in prison before being released. Although his conviction was overturned, the state never cleared the records of him or his associates"...so possibly the rest had overturned convictions but their records haven't been cleared.
I can conceive this because I had a few clients whose cases were expunged and yet it took years and a lot of paperwork filed to eventually get a judge ordered expungement completed.
workinghuman33 Dec 7, 4:01 p.m.
Not making up stories, simply facts. http://www.solidarity-us.org/site/node/2960
Okay interesting article....What does that article have to do with Ben Chavis at the time of his arrest?
if you aren't doing anything wrong, doesn't everyone lock themselves up in a church?-kistroud"
The 10 plus others were already in the church having a meeting, most likely to do with teachers being fired from Wilmington schools as well as the many problems Wilmington was having with integration of schools. Perhaps a meeting about racial tensions that were rising. What 10 barricaded in the building? No one died in that fire. The only person that died that night in that vicinity was a 17-year-old Black youth, Steven
Corbett, who was killed by police who say they were returning sniper fire from the vicinity of Mike's Grocery Store.
kistroud Dec 7, 3:53 p.m.
Pardon is $55K per year or imprisionment. That's about $4million dollars total. Wonder who gets a cut?
kistroud Dec 7, 3:46 p.m.
Well if you won't publish the other one, at least fix that it was 9 MEN AND 1 WOMAN.
Nothing like actually knowing what you are writing about.
storchheim Dec 7, 3:42 p.m.
TYVM, workinghuman33. That sheds some light and I guess I'm just dim on a cold rainy dark Friday, but I still don't see how a pardon makes any difference. They were convicted, now the convictions have been overturned. Wouldn't a pardon at this point be like saying, "You're guilty, but we forgive you"? Because as we learn every day on these boards (and forget overnight), people believe what they want to.
RebelCat Dec 7, 3:42 p.m.
Oh yeah, let's listen to William Barber. He's nothing but a crooked racist.
NiceNSmooth Dec 7, 3:39 p.m.
Who burned the grocery store?
wasnt the klan famous for burning things back then... why not ask them?
workinghuman33 Dec 7, 3:27 p.m.
Who burned the grocery store? bichonman"
Are you asking a legitimate question? Are you trying to infer something? Because it was very uncommon in the 60's and 70's (especially in the South) for young black men to be falsely accused of criminal acts.... sarcasm off now..
kistroud Dec 7, 3:27 p.m.
Not making up stories, simply facts.
kistroud Dec 7, 3:24 p.m.
Who burned the grocery store? Great question. Certainly not the 10 people barricaded in a building. I mean, if you aren't doing anything wrong, doesn't everyone lock themselves up in a church? So many half truths floating around with this story.
bichonman Dec 7, 3:03 p.m.
Who burned the grocery store?
workinghuman33 Dec 7, 2:55 p.m.
A pardon is meant to indicate forgiveness of a particular crime, either because a person was "wrongfully convicted" or the punishment was not appropriate for the crime committed. Overturned convictions are convictions in criminal cases which are later set aside, reopening the cases under discussion & "exonerating" the person who was originally convicted. Other causes can include false confessions, plea bargains, bad forensic methods, DNA testing which exonerates someone, and the emergence of new evidence. Procedural errors such as misconduct, jury tainting, and improper jury instructions from the judge can also result in overturned convictions. My guess is that since witnesses recanted their statements which lead to their sentences being overturned that some people STILL believe them guilty and that the sentence was only overturned due to a system mistake. I believe they seek exoneration. They want their dignity back and to no longer have some question why the case(s) was overturned.
dollibug Dec 7, 2:40 p.m.
Perdue time is almost up and they are just now turning over petitions for this??????????? What do they expect????????? Sign the petition regardless of what is known about it.....perhaps this should have been done when the convictions were overturned...
storchheim Dec 7, 2:13 p.m.
If the convictions were overturned, why is a pardon necessary? And why weren't the records cleared? Don't get me wrong, I think this is leading up to another threaten 'n' grab by the NAACP, which didn't care about these guys till Bev was packing her bags, but can anyone explain the legal side?
75Tarheel Dec 7, 2:03 p.m.
These pardons are much more deserved than some convicted murderer or political crony. I locked people up for more than 20 years. NONE of them were innocent. I have a real problem with this case. This was a typical knee j#*k conviction. One I would have no part of...
NiceNSmooth Dec 7, 1:46 p.m.
Where do I sign the petition?
st5937 Dec 7, 1:39 p.m.
another way for perdue to get in the spotlight
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03