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  • Lightfoot3 Dec 10, 2012

    "surely a better solution would be for neither party to have a gun?" - Grand Union


    NO, that's not "surely a better solution". Sometimes the BEST solution is for the victim to have a gun, whether or not their attacker(s) have them.


    "the odds of them being able to use a gun to help protect themselves vanishingly small." - Grand Union


    Yet I've given you example after example after example of people doing just that, and protecting others too.

  • Dnut Dec 10, 2012

    @Grand Union, you are factually wrong. The majority of guns obtained for criminal use, is through illegal sales, stolen weapons are a part, but the primary is illegal sales. Check the DOJ, website.

  • Dnut Dec 10, 2012

    @seankelly15,obviously you've never been in combat.

  • Not_Time_Yet Dec 7, 2012

    Sad, very sad. We have eaten several times at this restaruant and found it to be quite nice. I can only think if the manager had parked in front, with all the lighting then perhaps he would still be alive today. Realistically, I would never park behind some strip mall even if the lighting was good. Be aware, be very aware of your surroundings.

  • NCHighlander Dec 7, 2012

    "It's dispiriting to see everyone flogging talking points."

    Without talking about these issues how is change for the better ever going to happen? Would silence have ended slavery and Jim Crow? Would silence have ended DADT? US guns laws are killing about 8000 Americans every year. Grand Union

    Banning has never worked and never will. Whether that be alcohol, drugs, or guns. The process of banning something makes that a desirable item and trust me people will supply that which is desired and especially that which the government has made hard to get.

  • Bill of Rights Dec 7, 2012

    The 9/11 murderers did it with box cutters. What should we do; ban all box cutters?

  • HANS FOR PRESIDENT!!!!! JK Dec 7, 2012

    Also please explain how Anders Breivik could have murdered ninety two people with knives, bats, bare hands or a car. Actually he did it with those harmless guns the National Rifle Association wants everyone to have.
    piene2

    Timothy Mcveigh killed 168.....no gun. If there is a will there's a way. Guns or not. And you can make them illegal all you want, bad guys don't obey the law. Stop making them, they'll makeshift. Your gun control argument is a moot point. Move on

  • Barfly Dec 7, 2012

    This is the result of a generation of bad apples merely coming of age. Young, ignorant, and entitled. You've been warned.

  • 1911A1 Dec 7, 2012

    Us gun laws aren't killing people . People are !! The lack of personal responsibility is the only true problem .

  • Grand Union Dec 7, 2012

    "It's dispiriting to see everyone flogging talking points."

    Without talking about these issues how is change for the better ever going to happen? Would silence have ended slavery and Jim Crow? Would silence have ended DADT? US guns laws are killing about 8000 Americans every year.

  • 1911A1 Dec 7, 2012

    If you don't get it you never will.

  • Grand Union Dec 7, 2012

    "The best solution is to not be the one without a gun in a gun fight or hold up."

    surely a better solution would be for neither party to have a gun?

    " In other words don't be a victim."

    LOl play the fear card why don't you. This is nothing but marketing. The odds off anyone being a victim are small and the odds of them being able to use a gun to help protect themselves vanishingly small.

    " It is our Constitutional RIGHT to defend ourselves by any means neccessary."

    Try buying a Stinger missile and you will find out that is not case.

    "Until you're either a victim or a person that has defended yourself or someone else I think you are clueless as to gun rights."

    if that results in 4X the deaths how does that reduce the number victims????? What is it about math that so bamboozles the Right?

  • Grand Union Dec 7, 2012

    "The insanity posted on this forum is very interesting. I wonder how many of these inflammatory posts would be here if the posters had to actually sign their names."

    you miss the whole point.....people are more likely to say what they really think if its done anonymously

  • Grand Union Dec 7, 2012

    "Anders Brevik could have easily made additional van bombs to carry out his murders. He did use bombs, which are also illegal, and that didn't stop him. Murder is illegal and that didn't stop him. A gun law was not going to stop him."

    however it almost certainly would have made him 75% less successful, which, after all, is the whole point.

  • disgusted2010 Dec 7, 2012

    The insanity posted on this forum is very interesting. I wonder how many of these inflammatory posts would be here if the posters had to actually sign their names.

  • feiermanmusic Dec 7, 2012

    It's dispiriting to see everyone flogging talking points. Mohammed was lovely guy, not a statistic or a talking point. He always had a kind word or a joke to share. He made everyone at his place feel welcome and the food was delicious. I'll miss him. I don't know what to tell my 7-year old son, who loves the food there.

  • beachlvr0804 Dec 7, 2012

    DISABLED VETERAN ----- WELL SAID!!!! I'M SURE THERE ARE A LOT OF NAYSAYERS WHO ARE AGAINST OWNING A GUN WHO WOULD FEEL DIFFFERENTLY IF THEY THEMSELVES OR A LOVED WERE TO BE ATTACKED.

    The best solution is to not be the one without a gun in a gun fight or hold up. In other words don't be a victim. It is our Constitutional RIGHT to defend ourselves by any means neccessary. Until you're either a victim or a person that has defended yourself or someone else I think you are clueless as to gun rights.

    Disabled Veteran

  • Grand Union Dec 7, 2012

    " People are the problem not guns because if guns were the problem I guess the 15 guns I own would have already killed me and my family"

    I hope you are not a gambler........or that someone break into your house. Where do you think the criminals get their guns?

  • tlightfoot4 Dec 7, 2012

    Durham's City leaders have never done enough to address the crime problem there. This city is a classic case of the haves and the have nots.....and it will always be that way. But Durham's leaders seem to be content with the status quo.....maybe it's because many of them ( the Mayor...hint hint) have been in power for so long. Absolute power corrupts....I'll never live in Durham.

  • cantstandgoloanymore Dec 7, 2012

    1911A1 - please provide examples of when a person held up a store with a car. Then your comment may have some merit.

  • Phyxius1 Dec 7, 2012

    Just remember when you go home tonight and sit down with your family to eat dinner and spend the weekend with them that this mans family will no longer be able to. This should be the point right now and compassion for the families loss and not all this other arguing going on. Things will never be agreed upon by all people when it comes to guns...

  • Grand Union Dec 7, 2012

    "Or, maybe invest more in education so people are equipped with decent jobs and don't need to kill people for cash..."

    Most gun killings are not for financial gain.....its arguments that get out of hand, mental illness, depression, bravado etc that guns turn from nasty to fatal. That said, education certainly helps.

  • lumberman Dec 7, 2012

    Bullsye There could be a surlpus of great jobs and you would still have lazy good for nothings that would still rather rob and steal instead of work. People are the problem not guns because if guns were the problem I guess the 15 guns I own would have already killed me and my family

  • yankee1 Dec 7, 2012

    First of all, your statement lacks any basis in reality. Second, do you not think that the inverse of the group that you defined is violent as well?

    Seems to me the reality visible in every single speech your mman and his minions make. It also seems to me that the violence level in Chicago speaks for itself. This is a man who said the Chicago way is the right way! Sorry!

  • Da Toy Maker Dec 7, 2012

    Y'all:

    How about agree to disagree:

    We could never win in the Gun Control issue!

    Give your love a big hug and thankful for what you have!

    Peace!

  • dont-be-a-hater Dec 7, 2012

    EVENFLOW 2005 says I think everyone should wear a holster with a gun in it just like in the Western days. This way someone would think twice to try and shoot someone in cold blood.

    So you want people walking around just having shoot outs at each other..because that is what it would come to and is coming to. SAD That is not going to stop anyone. They are just going to pull out their gun and shoot as well. Wise up people.

  • Grand Union Dec 7, 2012

    "It's so much easier for them to threaten the 2nd Amendment and wish to take away your right to protect yourself from the society they helped create."

    YOU are the society that we need protected from. Criminals we will always have with us, no country or society is, or ever has been, immune from them.....however its people like YOU that make it easy for them to get and use guns.

  • BullsEye Dec 7, 2012

    I think everyone should wear a holster with a gun in it just like in the Western days. This way someone would think twice to try and shoot someone in cold blood.
    evenflow2005
    December 7, 2012 3:39 p.m.
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    Or, maybe invest more in education so people are equipped with decent jobs and don't need to kill people for cash...

  • seankelly15 Dec 7, 2012

    yankee1 - "Don't discount for a minute the class warfare based, hate the rich, tax the successful, fair share rhetoric that has benn pouring out of the mouth of your beloved Barack Obama and his democrat friends since he took office. He has condoned union violence, he has suggested getting in your neighbors face to push his nonsense and openly supported the violence of the occupy movement. "

    First of all, your statement lacks any basis in reality. Second, do you not think that the inverse of the group that you defined is violent as well?

  • seankelly15 Dec 7, 2012

    NCHighlander - "Arm yourselves folks with God's word and a Colt. Dnut December 7, 2012 12:49 p.m. Report abuse

    This is possibly the most disturbing sentence I've ever read. BullsEye

    Why is that? Sounds like real good advice to me."

    Because it sounds a lot like, "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition". Why we associate a god with shooting is beyond me.

  • evenflow2005 Dec 7, 2012

    I think everyone should wear a holster with a gun in it just like in the Western days. This way someone would think twice to try and shoot someone in cold blood.

  • Dnut Dec 7, 2012

    So sad....

  • sillywabbitthepatriot Dec 7, 2012

    "Fix that and you'll fix the problem."

    The uber liberal euphoric gun haters are incapable of addressing the real problem. They address a felon's "socionomic background" in his defense, but lack the courage to face the music and call a spade a spade.

    It's so much easier for them to threaten the 2nd Amendment and wish to take away your right to protect yourself from the society they helped create.

  • southerntalent Dec 7, 2012

    Video cameras are inexpensive as is installing do it yourself lighting,comp usa has several small systems,progress will come out and fix a lot light or street light,a convienance store beside our place was lit badly and had several crimes,they lit up the back and suddenly no more crime.Criminals do not usually want to be seen.

  • lrakydarb2 Dec 7, 2012

    Grand Union, if we didn't have guns, we could not have defeated the English twice to win our independence. That said, guns in the hands of private citizens help preserve that independence from the federal government. How will the private citizens of the UK defend themselves when the government decides they no longer need liberty and freedom?

  • yankee1 Dec 7, 2012

    Don't discount for a minute the class warfare based, hate the rich, tax the successful, fair share rhetoric that has benn pouring out of the mouth of your beloved Barack Obama and his democrat friends since he took office. He has condoned union violence, he has suggested getting in your neighbors face to push his nonsense and openly supported the violence of the occupy movement. It's not guns that are the problem. It's the attitude of the usual suspects and lack of respect for human life that is the problem. Fix that and you'll fix the problem.

  • NCHighlander Dec 7, 2012

    Arm yourselves folks with God's word and a Colt. Dnut December 7, 2012 12:49 p.m. Report abuse

    This is possibly the most disturbing sentence I've ever read. BullsEye

    Why is that? Sounds like real good advice to me.

  • seankelly15 Dec 7, 2012

    Lady Marksman - "How about we make a call to our local politicians to fix the judicial system. Why does a criminal have so many rights?? They should lose those rights the second they commit the crime!!"

    They lose SOME of their rights WHEN CONVICTED. The rights that you wish to destroy benefit everyone.

  • OleNCNative Dec 7, 2012

    Sucks that happened. I wish Durham PD could get control of the killing.

    Great food.

  • Bill of Rights Dec 7, 2012

    Amenmike: what's to say that the system isn't working? If you want to disarm yourself and outsource your personal safety and security, that's your business. Stop making your insecurity our collective responsibility. I'm confidant, armed and I'm not asking anyone to change on account of me. You might try the same.

  • Da Toy Maker Dec 7, 2012

    "...
    With all due respect to everyone it isn't a wake where you sign a guest book it's a forum where human interest and political issues are discussed.
    ...
    NCHighlander"

    I might just do that. What I'm trying to say is this:

    There is absolutely no point to argue about Gun Control in US! It is a great thing that US citizens have the right to bear arms. I have great many friends who own guns and keeping them at their stores and homes. I'm considering getting one myself at this point: Colt 45!

    What I'm kind of tired of is some people have been screaming about how Obama is taking away our right to own guns: Name me one law or executive order having to do with gun control since he took office. I personally agree that violent crimes in US are a lot more than Guns! I also agree with others that we as a society have to together to improve it. See; if everyone is willing to work to change just one child's life for better, we all will benefit, agree???

  • scg Dec 7, 2012

    This is a sad story. My condolences are the family. I hope the law finds the criminal and justice gets served.

    And all those who are bickering about gun and politics, please, have a heart and take this elsewhere.

  • Barf-olomew Dec 7, 2012

    I will not debate the merits of gun-control laws or Durham's rate as a crime haven in this forum. I will simply say this:

    The owner had a great restaurant. Many of my coworkes and I dined there rather frequently, and the food was always delish. He was a very hard worker, typically working as host, chef, cashier, etc... to try to have a better life than whence he came.

    My prayers and condolences go out to his family. From the bottom of my heart, I wish them comfort at this time. It's never a good time to lose a family member, but here at the holidays, it will be even more difficult for them.

    Rest in peace, friend!

  • nraleighmom Dec 7, 2012

    Condolences to the victim's family. Senseless acts perpetrated by desperate, godless people.
    The crime rate in Durham has to have skyrocketed this year, almost every single day there is at least one murder there. What is going on?

  • Disabled Veteran Dec 7, 2012

    What I'm asking you to do is to come up with a solution because what your doing now isn't working.amenmike

    The best solution is to not be the one without a gun in a gun fight or hold up. In other words don't be a victim. It is our Constitutional RIGHT to defend ourselves by any means neccessary. Until you're either a victim or a person that has defended yourself or someone else I think you are clueless as to gun rights.

  • Lady Marksman Dec 7, 2012

    When will people realize that criminal need less rights and harsher punishments??

    I wrote the same stuff in another story just the other day! Every day we read about some violent criminal act (murder, rape etc) and then we argue about gun control??

    How about we make a call to our local politicians to fix the judicial system. Why does a criminal have so many rights?? They should lose those rights the second they commit the crime!!

    Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome! The crime will not stop until the punishments are greater than the spoils of the crime!

  • workinghuman33 Dec 7, 2012

    workinghuman33 yes I noticed your condolences are tucked nicely as an after thought after your pro-gun post. you're awesome.-not you"

    If you don't like our Constitution or our 1st & 2nd Amendment rights then you could move to Canada or another country of your choice. I firmly believe in our great Constitution. My point there ole snarky is that you cannot expect folks not to discuss this. If you want to keep you head buried in the sand, your hands folded in your laps, live in a cookie cutter world and think everything is sparkles and rainbows then that's your choice. I personally enjoy my freedoms given to us by our great founding fathers.

  • SmokeWagon Dec 7, 2012

    ..."Have some respect for the victim here. Take the politics elsewhere...."

    Yep..typical liberal response when confronted with danger..."lets not talk about it, lets be PC and bury our heads in the sand, so it goes away"...!!!!

  • Uhavenoclu Dec 7, 2012

    Like I have said many times before, and reading the story and staying in doors in your own neighborhoods.
    PEOPLE LIVE IN FEAR EVERY MOMENT OF THEIR LIVES.FROM JOBS AND BILLS TO REPORTS OF CRIME.
    Lighten up people LIKE ATTRACTS LIKE...You keep thinking fear and gloom you will attract it to you.

  • zareenkapadia Dec 7, 2012

    This breaks my heart. Mohammed was a kind and very hard working man. His meals were delicious. My deepest sympathy to his family. This is a big loss for Durham.

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