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reeync Dec 7, 5:31 p.m.
The conditions for the animals at the Montgomery County shelter have always been deplorable. I've been in this county for 25 years, and at various times the humane society here has tried to make a difference, only to be ignored by the county commissioners. Although this is a poor county, the lack of funding to improve things is not because the money isn't available. From what I've seen, it seems that the general attitude of many people, especially those who could make a major difference, is that animals are expendable and their suffering doesn't matter. If the shelter has failed to meet regulations, why hasn't the state done something about it? Do the regulations have no teeth, just words and a shaking of a finger at the people who should be fixing things?
Another problem, which isn't addressed here, is the fee for spay/neuter...a lot more than what some other vets charge in other counties. How can people afford it even if they want to be responsible owners?
Dynol Yn Cael Ei Dec 7, 5:27 p.m.
Thank God for the SPCA. Thankful that they not only talk the talk, but they walk the walk - unlike the HSUS.
Praying they can save many many more from Montgomery County, and that all find homes QUICKLY.
Bnice2 Dec 7, 5:25 p.m.
driverkid3 - I'm the opposite. I will never "rescue" an animal ever again, even though, now I know their tricks and know what they want to hear so that I can get whatever pet I'd want. It doesn't pay to be honest with them. And the shelter and SPCA prefers to give the "good" animals to "rescue" groups who farm them out to "foster" parents.
I have often thought this very thing happens, and if you are "in" with the rescue groups, you get first choice. I have adopted shelter dogs/cats in the past and have had both good and bad results. Hit or miss. I do think spay/neuter is the only answer. Animals don't know about "abstinence", so what if there where a cheaper option given as puppies, like an animal IUD?
mlamb Dec 7, 4:05 p.m.
oops -- and to your second point. It's completely different. Wake County spends over $2 million each year to round up and shelter animals and at the time that article was done, they had significantly declined in their successes, despite having the means to do so. They weren't going from bad to bad they were taking a step back from where they had been. Their policies and procedures have changed for the better since that time. But knowing exactly where to help Montgomery Co. is difficult. They have no computer, no internet access. This is just something we haven't seen before in terms of other help we've able to provide to other counties. The problem needs multiple players in the solution. I hope we can be one of them. As a non-profit in these times it's difficult enough to run the programs we have now.
mlamb Dec 7, 3:56 p.m.
Yes the state has legislated enough -- and it's good legislation. They passed an unfunded mandate, which worked well in bringing counties up to code that could and just hadn't or simply wouldn't. But now it's been 6 years and some shelters haven't. It is my suggestion that perhaps they don't have the tax base to go to for that money AND the state money that is already available for poor counties isn't accessible to the absolute poorest ones. I'm not advocating for more legislation -- just to fix a glitch in the system that is only just becoming clear. Could the S/N funding be expanded to perhaps allow for making it possible for counties to bring themselves to a point where they can have the infrastructure to apply for the preventative money? I don't know, but that's the kind of connection I was trying to make to start the conversation.
ncrebel Dec 7, 3:48 p.m.
We are putting a bandaid on a major problem. Support mandatory spay/neuter for all companion animals. Report suspected backyard breeders and puppy mills. Report dog fighting. Call your representatives and demand they address this problem with animal welfare. Then we are being proactive, not reactive.
ConcernedNCarolinian Dec 7, 3:39 p.m.
Updated: October 19, 2011
SPCA, county shelter disagree on euthanization policy
In January, the county animal center euthanized 131 dogs, or about 18 percent of those brought in. By August, that number climbed to 327 dogs put down, or nearly 42 percent of the intake. Just-released September numbers show 281 dogs euthanized, 40 percent of intake.
"I would use the word 'tragic' for what's happening," said Lisa Kroll, the SPCA's associate executive director.
Hope Hancock, executive director of the SPCA, says she attributes the increased euthanizations to "a void of leadership" at the animal center.
Wake SPCA - where is your "void in leadership" comment for Montgomery County officials?
ConcernedNCarolinian Dec 7, 3:31 p.m.
MLamb - I'm glad you made an appearance here in the comments. The state has legislated enough; they've legislated that shelters be brought to some legislated code, and you're saying the county doesn't have enough to do it. You're also saying that there's spay/neuter funds from the government, but the county can't get the money because there is no structure. So when are you going to stop saying that the government is the answer in this situation? Your 3rd comment states, "We need the state to intervene ..." Apparently the state isn't worth much in this situation.
I'll ask again: Why can't your successful SPCA start raising money for these horrid shelters? *YOU* have the resources, public voice, and knowledge to do so. The solution to the problem IS NOT complex. It's a matter of *just doing it*. In the past, you've criticized WCACC for a much lower euthanasia rate, yet you aren't willing to look at the people who run Montogomery's pound and criticize them.
JAT Dec 7, 1:24 p.m.
anotherbabyboomer - yep, i totally agree. these do-gooder types loves to stand in judgment over people. Pets are animals not children no matter how you dress them up and talk to them. Used to, everyone's dogs stayed outside. But they apparently have no issue with people who crate their dogs in tiny enclosures all day. I just don't get it but it really seems to make them feel better about themselves for some reason.
marciamal1 Dec 7, 12:51 p.m.
Terribe that these puppy mills think of $$$ instead of the dog's life. I pray that these puppies/dogs can find the love that they deserve in families taht adopt them. They need to have a Merry Christmas too! As for the ones out there that run these puppy mills, have a heart and stop treating these animals like this.
mlamb Dec 7, 12:39 p.m.
And one more thought ;-) A common argument I hear is how can we spend money on animals when there are children that need the money? My answer is this: Invest in prevention and you will decrease the amount of tax dollars spent on animals. Any system that spends the majority of its resources reacting to a problem (round up, house, kill) is doomed to cost increases and failure. Invest dollars in prevention (spay/neuter) and more money will be available for other community needs. We need the state to intervene to help our *poorest county shelters get out of where they are stuck – in a place with no access to prevention.* Mondy Lamb, SPCA of Wake County
mlamb Dec 7, 12:32 p.m.
cont' ... There are a handful of shelters in North Carolina who, after 6 years still have been unable to bring their municipal shelters up to codes established statewide because (perhaps) they do not have the tax base to bring their government impoundment facilities up to state mandated levels.
And here is the horrible irony ... the hundreds of thousands of dollars (in the NC spay /neuter fund) are virtually inaccessible to counties like Montgomery because they lack the infrastructure to seek and implement the very funding that was created to assist counties in need like them.
I have no idea what the answer is but in order to start finding solutions we have to look beyond the obvious accusations. What unites us – compassion toward companion animals – is so much stronger than what divides us. This is a complex problem. The answer just might be complex too.
mlamb Dec 7, 12:31 p.m.
Question of public vs private dollars: Impoundment is the rounding up of stray animals that could pose a threat to human health – humanely and safely – then seeing to the animals outcome be it returned to owner, given to a new owner or humanely put to death. This is and has always been seen as the function of government – to protect humans from stray animals. Private dollars – like the donations sent in by WRAL viewers to the Montgomery County Humane Society, can help the non-profit partner augment but not duplicate the basic services provided by the municipal government. cont'...
carlostheass Dec 7, 12:19 p.m.
PS -- I have adopted multiple "homeless" animals and they've all been great. I currently have three dogs that were "homeless" and they're the best dogs you could find. I think these dogs that have seen harder times know what it means to have a good home. It really shows.
carlostheass Dec 7, 12:18 p.m.
Looks like I'll be making a larger contribution to the Wake SPCA than I had planned...and since Montgomery County itself isn't receiving the donations I'll send some to their local humane society too.
kermit60 Dec 7, 12:10 p.m.
People want more community money and support. Well so does 100s of other organizations saying their cause is more important. The math tells us that there is just not enough money or people willing to support all of these organizations. The person who doesn't help animals may feed the homeless or work with abused kids. You just have to do the best you can with what you have. With budget cuts in the future for most government agencies you better figure out how to do the same with less.
anotherbabyboomer Dec 7, 12:09 p.m.
My daughter got turned down when trying to adopt a kitten from a shelter because she had an outside dog. This dog was not being abused and was a happy dog. What does it matter if the animals live outside or inside as long as they are fixed and taken care of? So what did she do, she bought one....
cocker_mom Dec 7, 12:04 p.m.
I appreciate Ms Lamb's statements about how it's too simplistic to put all the blame on the shelter and to downplay what they did. She is being sane, realistic and truly helpful.
When a county is as underfunded as Montgomery County is - they are making really hard choices and if it's between animal services and human services, human services wins out.
I hope this does start some greater awareness, and having the shelter work with volunteers and try some different things to improve adoptions (and also maybe try some fundraising for low cost spay / neuter, etc) without having to go ask for more money.
It's not an easy thing to manage this and poorer areas have it doubly tough - as most owners tend not to be able to afford spay / neuter, so they have more unwanted litters than more well off counties. it's lose - lose.
Nosmo_King Dec 7, 11:40 a.m.
"I'm sure the Wake SPCA has enough trouble of its own fundraising for itself. Promoting the general welfare of pets and the SPCA is the job of the ASPCA, not the Wake SPCA."
The ASPCA is just the local group in New York. There is no connection between the Wake SPCA and the ASPCA.
JAT Dec 7, 11:35 a.m.
driverkid3 - I'm the opposite. I will never "rescue" an animal ever again, even though, now I know their tricks and know what they want to hear so that I can get whatever pet I'd want. It doesn't pay to be honest with them. And the shelter and SPCA prefers to give the "good" animals to "rescue" groups who farm them out to "foster" parents. Good lord people - GET A LIFE!
I'll gladly spend hundreds of my hard-earned dollars to get an animal.
JAT Dec 7, 11:33 a.m.
simplelogic - no i don't know what the symbol means, nor do i care. when i got it years ago, there were only about 3 to choose from and it was the most sensible.
but back to the story....it is just a simple fact that not every animal can or should be saved. And the whole concept of "rescue" is there only to make the "rescuer" feel like he or she has done some noble act. it serves no real purpose to society.
I will NEVER rescue an animal that is at the SPCA, shelter or "rescue" groups. NEVER.
duwanna50 Dec 7, 11:27 a.m.
Oh that pug is too cute. I have a 14 yr old one that is the house diva! Also have a tinymutt who was rescuced 2 hrs. before she was to be put down, and she is awesome. Rescue!
UpChuck Dec 7, 11:12 a.m.
"people having multiple children that they cannot afford are much more of a drain on taxes; should we start putting them down?"
Why don't you try comparing apples to oranges next time...oh, wait a minute!
HereswhatIthink Dec 7, 11:04 a.m.
So happy for these "lucky" 14. So grateful that Wake SPCA went to help. People have tried to help this so called shelter in the past and were turned away. WRAL please don't let this story die. Please keep reporting on this shelter for the sake of all the helpless animals.
driverkid3 Dec 7, 10:58 a.m.
I would never buy a dog from anyone! I did that with a cat one time and that was the meanest, most contrary cat I'd ever been around. I gave him to someone that he seemed to like, both were happy. The little furbeast I have now came from a rescue group and he is the msot loving little critter I've ever had.
ndadszucs Dec 7, 10:40 a.m.
Own some property out in Montgomery County, the stray dogs are in abundance there. My family has personally taken in and found good homes for close to 20 emaciated stray dogs that came onto our property, knowing how bad the shelter is there.
madamwuf Dec 7, 10:36 a.m.
Hangry, I agree as well. I was not even allowed to look at the pets at the Wake SPCA because our garage was not climate controlled. When we said that the pet would be indoors (as in, inside the house) 99% of the time and might have to spend 1% of the time in the windowed garage during family events, they snubbed us. The Wake County shelter was happy for us to sign and drive our new forever dog.
clover1019 Dec 7, 10:33 a.m.
people having multiple children that they cannot afford are much more of a drain on taxes; should we start putting them down? @abaugh
breeding needs more regulation and more spaying and neutering needs to happen in order to solve this problem long term.
madamwuf Dec 7, 10:31 a.m.
"Why doesn't Wake SPCA raise money for them? If you *really* want good PR, why don't you start raising money for all kill shelters across NC to build their own adoption centers, etc?" - ConcernedNCarolinian
I'm sure the Wake SPCA has enough trouble of its own fundraising for itself. Promoting the general welfare of pets and the SPCA is the job of the ASPCA, not the Wake SPCA.
RebelCat Dec 7, 10:29 a.m.
This is no shelter situation. It's a slaughterhouse.
abaugh Dec 7, 10:11 a.m.
They are a drain on taxes and should all be put down.
ConcernedNCarolinian Dec 7, 10:09 a.m.
"By no means did what we did fix the problem," she said. "All we did was take 14 animals."
I agree; of course, you helped 14 animals, but like any NC kill pound, that place will fill right back up in no more than a couple days. Why doesn't Wake SPCA raise money for them? If you *really* want good PR, why don't you start raising money for all kill shelters across NC to build their own adoption centers, etc?
This has to change, and public opinion is changing about these things.
"Anyone who accuses them of simply not trying, it's simplistic. It's not understanding the problem, and it's actually offensive," she said.
Uhm, no it's not offensive. And they aren't trying. That's the root of the problem - no one in Montgomery County is truly trying. If they were, there wouldn't be a 100% kill rate. That's the problem in NC: no one is held accountable for the death of so many animals. Montgomery County officials need to be held accountable.
simplelogic Dec 7, 10:04 a.m.
JAT, you need to change your avatar. Your attitude in NO WAY exemplifies the principles of Tao. You should be ashamed to associate yourself with a philosophy that embraces life when you have so little regard for your fellow creatures. Do you even know what that symbol means???
working for deadbeats Dec 7, 9:55 a.m.
Too many animals, too many back yard breeders, and not enough people who want pets. It's sad, but what else can be done?
handbasket Dec 7, 9:42 a.m.
I hope that Orange County and Durham County and Mecklenburg County reach out and SHARE / DISTRIBUTE the expense / burden.
jdkitzmi Dec 7, 9:24 a.m.
@Tax Man, its not that simple. My parents live in a county with a high kill rate shelter. The shelter is just too small. They aren't funded well at all and its hard to get people to adopt and there aren't really a lot of non-profit rescues in their rural area. So what should they do? Turn people away and have those animals abused or neglected by their owners? Overcrowd the shelter and have poor quality of life for the animals there? It really is a complex situation. You need the entire community to get behind these shelters and offer help - donations of supplies, volunteer time to help adoption efforts, money towards a new facility, etc. But if you don't have the support, things aren't going to change.
I applaud the effort of the SPCA, but we need all the other non-profits to do the same in other parts of the state as well.
My parents foster for their shelter. They barely get a break between litters because there are just so many coming through the doors.
UpChuck Dec 7, 9:15 a.m.
Guess what, when you have that many strays or pets people don't want, they need to be put to sleep. We can't keep them all.
rebeccalmeeks Dec 7, 8:58 a.m.
Vet references are absolutely necessary. Spaying and Neutering is essential in stopping the pet over population. Even pure blooded dogs are at shelters. Look on Petfinder.com, you'll see that there is a specific rescue for almost every breed because of this! Until those are no longer necessary spaying/neutering should be mandatory or outrageous fines enforced. Heartworm and flea/tick preventative also necessary to keep your pet safe! Heartworm treatment costs hundreds of dollars and many owners opt to just put their animals down, dispicable! Regular vaccinations necessary to keep pet healthy and safe just as you do for yourself and children! Be responsible! Sad part is, many other NC Counties killed more animals than Montgomery, just percentage wise it's less than 98%. Adopt, save a life! And if you can, foster so rescues can pull more, it's one of the most rewarding things you could ever do!
Bnice2 Dec 7, 8:46 a.m.
Hangry, I totally agree with you about the way Wake County SPCA treats people who want to adopt. We spent an entire day choosing a cat to adopt, only to be turned down because I told them one of the cats we adopted from Orange County goes outside sometimes, (we live way out in the country) and it was automatically a "NO". The cat is welcome to stay inside, which is what we wanted, however, the cat would run out sometimes when the door was opened and come back to the door an hour or so later. Oh my, we are HORRIBLE people to let that happen.
andreanicole686 Dec 7, 8:12 a.m.
That is so great!! Hopefully they can rescue more. Everyone adopt, don't buy!!
hangry Dec 6, 6:55 p.m.
I have had nothing but good luck with the 4 dogs and cats we have adopted from shelters. I hope that Wake County SPCA has become less snobbish towards people it adopts to. How many animals have been put to death because good folks did not make it through wake spca's vetting process?
whyalltheproblems Dec 6, 6:46 p.m.
@ Tax Man, yes, the problem is the people, but did you read what Mondy said??
Frogm3n Dec 6, 6:38 p.m.
I adopted 2 dogs and it has been a rewarding experience...Go Adopt one or two if you are going to give it a good home...
Tax Man Dec 6, 6:37 p.m.
What part of "shelter" don't they understand? the Montgomery County Animal Shelter should be closed and all of its staff terminated. Shelter implies you are helping the animals. If you don't wish to help them then stay away and let the rescue non-profits take in the animals and find them homes. Obama still stinks is absolutely correct - don't buy a pet, adopt one! And if you cannot properly take care of a pet then why would you even consider getting one? The problem is the people! Adopt and properly care for pets please. Be humane.
Unfair Moderators Stink Dec 6, 6:30 p.m.
Adopt a pet, don't buy one. One of ours came from a high kill NC shelter and we wouldn't take anything for her. Shelter dogs seem grateful in a way.......like they know what you've done for them by getting them out of the shelter. It's a stressful and chaotic environment for animals -- rescue one!! You'll never, ever regret it. We never have, that's for sure.
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03