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  • Fifteeninthemagandoneupthepipe Dec 7, 6:38 p.m.

    RE : I get it now. Guns get into the hands of miscreants just like illegal drugs. So guns can be grown in the dirt like marihuana or manufactured in back laboratories like methamphetamine bath salts and so on.

    What a Maroon....

  • piene2 Dec 7, 5:03 p.m.

    "If guns are taken away from the lawful, the unlawful will take advantage of everyone. Illegal weapons are RARELY (if ever) taken from law abiding citizens. RATHER, they enter the country and the streets just as illegal drugs do and sometimes simultaneously. Does anyone even get that??
    skipp2"

    I get it now. Guns get into the hands of miscreants just like illegal drugs. So guns can be grown in the dirt like marihuana or manufactured in back laboratories like methamphetamine bath salts and so on.

  • skipp2 Dec 7, 12:27 p.m.

    If guns are taken away from the lawful, the unlawful will take advantage of everyone. Illegal weapons are RARELY (if ever) taken from law abiding citizens. RATHER, they enter the country and the streets just as illegal drugs do and sometimes simultaneously. Does anyone even get that??

  • kermit60 Dec 7, 11:13 a.m.

    So what we get is that
    1. Fayetteville is safe
    2. They THINK they have some crime problems.
    3. Solving crime is frustrating and out of the control of the police.
    4. It's a community & Social problem.
    5. We might have a police cheif soon, maybe in the next few weeks.
    6. They need to step up their game. So all this shooting and killing is some sort of game. I feel better already.

  • kermit60 Dec 7, 10:37 a.m.

    piene2: I take by your comments all guns should be taken away because they could eventually be used illegaly. Should we then take away all newborn females because they could eventually become prostitutes? Sounds rather rediculous but then so does taking away law abiding citizens guns.

  • so you dont like my opinion ok Dec 7, 10:35 a.m.

    lol piene2 so true, good one...

  • piene2 Dec 7, 9:10 a.m.

    "People like piene still makes me giggle. Maybe he and others like him are trolls, posting their little jabs to get a reaction from gun owners.

    Troll comments would at least imply a level of forethought if not overt intelligence - "I say this and get a reaction." If he/she is not a troll, then we are left with simple name-calling juvenile prejudice.

    Signed,

    One of the Yahoos piene is afraid of.
    TimeWillTell"

    Oh my chin and whiskers, I am crushed. I do not know if I shall ever get over this stinging indictment. I do, however love the comment of my being afraid. That is funny considering that I am not the one that is so paranoid that I need to pack a six shooter before leaving my house. I can not imaging living in such fear. Still and all the comment is most amusing. I regularly send such comments out to my friends for their amusement. You will, I am sure, be pleased to know that your comments are read far and wide. Please keep up the good work and I shall continue circulating such

  • Rebelyell55 Dec 6, 7:48 p.m.

    There is no firearm registration in NC but your point is well taken. But if your firearm is stolen you are required to report it to the police.

    Ripcord
    December 6, 2012 7:01 p.m.
    .......I didn't know that, they got my information, and it's on file at the County office ( I think) or else why did I fill out all those form?

  • Just Plain Common Sense Dec 6, 7:01 p.m.

    THE PROBLEM? DRUGS - Gangs - NO JOBS and how do you fix that? You have to go into the area where the crimes are born (you know where they are) and educate the people there. The problem is NOT guns. The guns used in these crimes are GENERALLY stolen or black market. I am a law abiding citizen and I keep my gun to protect myself from these criminalsAND while not always successful, I try to frequent places where I am not likely to be attacked and if I am, I can defend myself. Some easy things? As much as possible, know your surroundings, stay alert and be aware of others. Try to: Stay in groups, don't travel alone to bad places, arm yourself, and know the laws. Get an alarm system. Lock your doors and car, and windows. Require ID for people coming to your house. When in doubt? Call 911. GOOD LUCK...

  • Ripcord Dec 6, 7:01 p.m.

    "Wonder if they could pass a town ordinance that anyone caught with a gun that is not registered to them, that they can be fined, locked up, and made to pick up trash on the side of the road? Oh wait, these crimminal surely don't have legal firearms."

    There is no firearm registration in NC but your point is well taken. But if your firearm is stolen you are required to report it to the police.

  • disgusted2010 Dec 6, 6:58 p.m.

    "Gun Violence" a term coined by the liberal, nanny state, media. What ever happened to raising children to have values? Oh well, we have to blame something and heaven forbid we should hold those poor unfortunate drug dealing layabouts who have never worked a day in their lives (and probably the third generation to do so) accountable for all the welfare babies they have (and we taxpayers pay for).

  • Rebelyell55 Dec 6, 6:55 p.m.

    Wonder if they could pass a town ordinance that anyone caught with a gun that is not registered to them, that they can be fined, locked up, and made to pick up trash on the side of the road? Oh wait, these crimminal surely don't have legal firearms.

  • Ripcord Dec 6, 6:51 p.m.

    "Yes right, walk up behind you bend a tire iron over your head and take your six shooter. It's all too easy. Of course with more six shooter packing Yahoos wandering around it will become safer and easier for the criminals to just shoot their victims in the back.: - piene2

    And yet, with millions more Americans legally carrying firearms today, a huge increase over the last 10 years, none of what you describe is actually happening, is it? I know, I know... don't let this basic fact pull you back into reality.

  • bluecanary Dec 6, 6:33 p.m.

    They could shut it down, just like the NYPD did. They won't do it, though, because they're too afraid of hurting feelings and being attacked by special interest groups.

  • storchheim Dec 6, 6:33 p.m.

    "Yes right, walk up behind you bend a tire iron over your head and take your six shooter."

    You let strangers get that close to you? How foolish, to be unaware of your surroundings.

  • NCHighlander Dec 6, 6:29 p.m.

    "Yes right, walk up behind you bend a tire iron over your head and take your six shooter. It's all too easy. Of course with more six shooter packing Yahoos wandering around it will become safer and easier for the criminals to just shoot their victims in the back." piene2

    OK so according to you I should just take that old tire iron to the head and remain unarmed to prevent the theft of my firearm. Wow! You can enjoy that strategy. I have another.

  • workingforthosethatwont Dec 6, 6:24 p.m.

    I have a wild idea. How about long, severe prison sentences for any crime involving a gun! No parole, no time off for good behavior, just do the time and all of it!
    We all know the government trying to control anything won't work. Last time I looked, marijuana and other drugs were illegal to. but that hasn't stopped the criminals, has it? So don't even suggest gun control!

  • piene2 Dec 6, 5:55 p.m.

    "
    What a silly analogy. Even a crackhead in a fog can calculate those odds. A miscreant might take my gun away from me, but I guarantee you it will be empty of bullets by that time.
    ripetomatoes"

    Yes right, walk up behind you bend a tire iron over your head and take your six shooter. It's all too easy. Of course with more six shooter packing Yahoos wandering around it will become safer and easier for the criminals to just shoot their victims in the back.

  • SmokeWagon Dec 6, 5:35 p.m.

    ..."You may not even have the time or can do so if the criminals are all over you. If that happens, do exactly what they aske of you and just maybe they will spare your life....charmcclainlovesdogs2...."

    Criminals just LOVE a complisant victim cowering in the corner...LOL@U....!!!!!

  • Pirate01 Dec 6, 5:33 p.m.

    So they are going to try and combat GUN violence. I guess knives, fists, bats and other inanimate objects are just fine for your future violence needs!!

    Or maybe they could look at these broken families with no fathers and absentee mothers who are the result of the dependence welfare state?!?!

  • lrakydarb2 Dec 6, 5:32 p.m.

    As Ken Hamblin, aka, the self-titled "Black Avenger" used to say "I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6"

  • SmokeWagon Dec 6, 5:32 p.m.

    ..."considering that almost all illegal six shooters started out as legal six shooters it makes sense for miscreants to seek out six shooter toting Yahoos and simply take their six shooters away from them. The element of surprise is a huge advantage.piene2..."

    LOL@the scared little sheep that leaves HIS protection to others....!!!!! EXACTLY the mentality that criminals count on....!!!!

  • Frogm3n Dec 6, 5:24 p.m.

    Gun laws only keep guns out of the hand of law abiding citizens, not criminals...

    MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!

  • SmokeWagon Dec 6, 5:22 p.m.

    Rather than being so politically correct and NEVER accomplishing ANYTHING...why not tell what the REAL problem is..???..in the black community the unemployment in NC is over 20%...yes TWENTY %...!!! You can thank their hero Nomobama for that....!!!!!...or you can study and study some more and have the "community" input and form all kinds of "task forces" and be politically correct untill the cows come home......and NEVER stop the problem....!!!!!

  • Thought Criminal WS Dec 6, 5:21 p.m.

    "You may not even have the time or can do so if the criminals are all over you. If that happens, do exactly what they aske of you and just maybe they will spare your life. charmcclainlovesdogs2"

    Spoken like someone with the true victim mentality.

  • Gene Dec 6, 5:17 p.m.

    Gun crime: a propagandist term blaming an inanimate object for the action of a criminal USING a gun. If the criminals are controlled instead there will be a significant reduction in crime.

  • ripetomatoes Dec 6, 5:12 p.m.

    considering that almost all illegal six shooters started out as legal six shooters it makes sense for miscreants to seek out six shooter toting Yahoos and simply take their six shooters away from them. The element of surprise is a huge advantage.piene2

    What a silly analogy.
    Even a crackhead in a fog can calculate those odds.
    A miscreant might take my gun away from me, but I guarantee you it will be empty of bullets by that time.

  • ripetomatoes Dec 6, 5:07 p.m.

    Gun control means using both hands...

  • piene2 Dec 6, 5:03 p.m.

    "If every house had a sign that said "Enter illegally and you will be shot down like a mad dog", AND THEN DO IT, home invasions would drop. If every citizen carried a pistol in plain view, crime on the street would drop.

    I know this will come as a surprise to you anti-gun people, but criminals tend to stay way from potential victims who they know are armed. Case in point: How many times do you read about armed-uniformed policemen/women be robbed at gunpoint? How may times have businessed been robbed when armed-uniformed policemen/women are in the business?
    lrakydarb2"

    considering that almost all illegal six shooters started out as legal six shooters it makes sense for miscreants to seek out six shooter toting Yahoos and simply take their six shooters away from them. The element of surprise is a huge advantage.

  • rdc42179 Dec 6, 4:52 p.m.

    @charmcclainlovesdogs2, I can promise you that isn't going to be my course of action. " do exactly what they say and they maybe will spare your life. I don't think so. Bye Bye Bad Guy!!

  • pat7 Dec 6, 4:41 p.m.

    THE PEOPLE WHO COMMITS THESE CRIME ARE VERY OUTSTANDING PEOPLE,INSTEAD OF LETTING THESE PEOPLE OFF FOR OTHER CRIMES BUILD MORE PRISON TO HOUSE THESE PEOPLE ,BECAUSE LAW BIDING PEOPLE SHOULDNT HAVE THEIR RIGHTS TAKEN AWAY BECAUSE THESE PEEOPLE THAT STEAL THE GUNS AND COMMIT CRIMES ARE THE ONE THAT SHOULD BE PUNISHED

  • lrakydarb2 Dec 6, 4:29 p.m.

    If every house had a sign that said "Enter illegally and you will be shot down like a mad dog", AND THEN DO IT, home invasions would drop. If every citizen carried a pistol in plain view, crime on the street would drop.

    I know this will come as a surprise to you anti-gun people, but criminals tend to stay way from potential victims who they know are armed. Case in point: How many times do you read about armed-uniformed policemen/women be robbed at gunpoint? How may times have businessed been robbed when armed-uniformed policemen/women are in the business?

  • jgilchr Dec 6, 4:18 p.m.

    Outside of a revamped downtown Fayetteville is blighted in many areas. There are deep-rooted problems that need to be addressed. The gun violence is a product of this. There needs to be some serious work to address these issues in the community if anyone hopes to reduce it.

  • YA RECKON Dec 6, 4:09 p.m.

    Guns Bad,,, People Good,,,

  • charmcclainlovesdogs2 Dec 6, 4:08 p.m.

    If someone kicks in your front door and starts beating your family member don't call 911 try calling the ACLU

    rdc42179

    You may not even have the time or can do so if the criminals are all over you. If that happens, do exactly what they aske of you and just maybe they will spare your life.

  • YA RECKON Dec 6, 4:08 p.m.

    Having a gun for self defense is like having a roll of toilet paper.

    If you don't need it... great...

    If you do need it, you want it to be close at hand, you don't want to have to go out get it, by then its way too late...

  • rdc42179 Dec 6, 3:53 p.m.

    Sadly this is a pointless argument. Those of you who think guns are the problem, try this out. If someone kicks in your front door and starts beating your family member don't call 911 try calling the ACLU

  • Relic Dec 6, 3:45 p.m.

    I guess none of these geniuses thought to involve the community in these discussions?

    Can you please tell me what great and glorious things such a discussion would produce? Violence is illegal. The use of guns in violence is illegal. Guns in the hands of bad people can kill others. Good people with guns can protect themselves from bad people. All this talk about "community" is just hogwash to bring in all the "activists" that want to protect whatever group is their interest from being "targeted" by police, whining about "kids needing jobs and programs", etc. The same tired stuff that we've been hearing for years and years.

  • The Anti Hans Dec 6, 3:42 p.m.

    samdutes: that's the truth. It would be like calling people who have fire extinguishers pyromaniacs, or people who use seat belts reckless drivers.

  • The Anti Hans Dec 6, 3:41 p.m.

    OK everyone ... Piene2 is anti-gun, and he went through the motions of pretending to shoot his wife by holding his hands in the shape of a gun. I'm licensed conceal carry, I carry regularly and I NEVER point my weapon at something I don't intend to shoot (which includes anyone that isn't trying to inflict serious bodily injury on me).

    Ask yourself who you'd feel safer hanging around with.

  • samdutes Dec 6, 3:25 p.m.

    And I bet you can not wait to file the first notch in it's handle. ---piene2

    This is the problem with the lib gun control freaks, they think that everyone that owns a gun just wants to go out and shoot someone.....far from the truth. I guess they thing that anyone who has any sort of emergency plan is just hoping that something bad is going to happen.......

  • Fifteeninthemagandoneupthepipe Dec 6, 3:20 p.m.

    RE : Yesterday I tried to shoot my wife by making my hand into a six shooter shape, pointing it at her and shouting, "BANG!" It did not work. Had I had a six shooter it would have worked, would it not have?

    I think the better question to the underlying problem would be : Why would you want to shoot your wife ???

  • The Anti Hans Dec 6, 3:19 p.m.

    baldchip: in the case of alcohol prohibition, taking away the booze just created a fervent black market and fertile ground for organized crime. Take away firearms and the same thing will happen; cities like New York, Chicago and Los Angeles are shining examples of how well firearms prohibitions work.

  • The Anti Hans Dec 6, 3:17 p.m.

    Piene2: Violin cases went out in the 30's, thanks, and that sort of emotional rhetoric just makes it seem like you don't have any cogent argument left to make.

    The weapon I choose to lawfully carry stays properly and securely holstered—and hidden from view. If you walked past me on the street you'd never have any idea that I'm carrying. And I can promise you that it will only be drawn in the most dire of circumstances. Given that the bar for legal use is higher for lawful civilians than it is for the police, you probably have more to worry about from the average police officer than you do from me.

    As for patronizing business that don't allow for lawful carry; that's fine. I don't patronize those businesses because I prefer not to be in places where people are advertised as being unarmed. Do you also post a sign on your house indicating that it's a gun-free zone?

  • Bob3425 Dec 6, 3:15 p.m.

    piene2 - funny I like to go to place where people maybe carrying, they don't seem to get robbed as much. Wonder why that is? criminal like terrorist like soft target, I guess I mean they like you.

  • working for deadbeats Dec 6, 3:08 p.m.

    I'm sure the pink elephant in the room won't be acknowledged during the meeting.

  • Hip-Shot Dec 6, 2:56 p.m.

    The solution is simple: lock the trash away that commit these crimes to begin with. Most all these violent crimes are being committed by repeat offenders. Someone made a comment on this site the other day about it being funny how the people wanted for these crimes already have a mug shot in most cases.

    I happen to enjoy going to the range and shooting target practice, and my guns have never committed a crime. Banning firearms is only going to affect law abiding citizens.

  • Thought Criminal WS Dec 6, 2:55 p.m.

    A human with a gun kills a human, it's the gun!
    ...but what about before gunpowder?
    A human with a sword kills the human, it's the sword!
    ...but about before smithing?
    A human with a rock kills a human... it's the rock!
    There were rocks long before people.

    Do the math. The human is the problem not the tool.

  • harmstrong4 Dec 6, 2:44 p.m.

    What I read here is that the Police will respond to a shooting...hummmmm. what they do now...

  • nascar33 Dec 6, 2:38 p.m.

    Interesting, none of my guns have ever turned violent. People, on the other hand, for many reasons seem to turn violent. Maybe they should create a task force to discuss People Violence.

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