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  • Nancy Dec 6, 3:59 p.m.

    junkmail - you need to do better than just believe what you're told, the truth is always out there, you want a source? Here you go:

    Take your pick -

    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/100212-627869-skip-pink-slips-defense-contractors-told.htm

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/01/inhofe-obama-urging-defense-contractors-to-disobey-the-law/

    http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/industry/259305-omb-tells-contractors-once-again-dont-issue-layoff-notices

    http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2012/10/white-house-illegally-pressures-contractors-not-to-tell-employees-of-layoffs-until-after-election-2494376.html

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/29/admin-to-pay-legal-fees-for-contractors-that-dont-issue-sequestration-warnings/

    You will note, the MSM doesn't carry such news, it would have reflected badly on Obama. But such is the way of the truth these days ...

  • free2bme Dec 6, 2:35 p.m.

    We all know that the money has to be paid back but to kick a person when they are down i.e. to cut the benefit of the unemployed outright may not be the best answer. I wonder if they spoke with an educated, skilled economist about ways to pay the money back before taking this option. God help this state. This is probably only the tip of the iceberg as far as what this Republican led legislature will do.

  • NYtoNC81 Dec 6, 1:43 p.m.

    This whole argument is based on a ridiculous premise or two.

    1) The majority of people on unemployment aren't looking for work.

    This could not be further from the truth. The vast majority of those hwo are on unemployment are actively engaged in finding a new position. It's nearly impossible to deal with a job search, family and everything else without a little bit of financial support. In fact, we pay in to this system while employed every single paycheck, whether or not you are in the mythical "47%" or not.

    2) You should take any job you can when laid off and collecting unemployment.

    This is simply not good advice. Not good for the unemployed job seeker and not good for the economy. Underemployment precludes you from doing what's necessary to get your skills and talents back in to the economy and destroys societal efficiency. Sorry, but CPAs and lawyers and the sort should not be taking jobs at McDondald's or Home Depot.

  • junkmail5 Dec 6, 11:43 a.m.

    He ordered the defense contractors to illegally suppress the SEC-required 60-day notice of mass layoffs till after the election. He told the bosses there that he'd have the taxpayer pay all legal fees from the sure-to-be-coming lawsuits- storcheim

    Source?

  • storchheim Dec 6, 11:28 a.m.

    "3. Evenyone knows that it should be no problem for a worker to find out on a Friday afternoon that they lost their job..."

    "Repubs, agenda, LOL": Rebelyell55

    When did 0 switch parties? He ordered the defense contractors to illegally suppress the SEC-required 60-day notice of mass layoffs till after the election. He told the bosses there that he'd have the taxpayer pay all legal fees from the sure-to-be-coming lawsuits. Those guys are going to make out great at taxpayer expense.

    Dems, agenda, LOL.

  • Karmageddon Dec 6, 10:03 a.m.

    The state is over $2billion in debt to the Feds because of unemployment benefits. Something has to be done. Instead of cutting it out all at once the payments should be gradually lowered the longer you're on it and then put a cap on how long they can get it.

  • Rebelyell55 Dec 6, 9:50 a.m.

    3. Evenyone knows that it should be no problem for a worker to find out on a Friday afternoon that they lost their job and to be able to find another one in 5 weeks or less. We need the legislature to be "worker-friendly" not "business-friendly."

    ncpolitics
    December 6, 2012 9:28 a.m.......LOL, what part of the Republican party agenda don't you understand?

  • Nancy Dec 6, 9:39 a.m.

    "We need the legislature to be "worker-friendly" not "business-friendly."

    Sure, hit the businesses for the legislative folks on the state and federal level extending unemployment well beyond what the pool of money businesses paid in all along could handle. That'll fix 'em. And then expect businesses to absorb the costs and still employ more people to grow the economy.

    Sure, that makes perfect sense [/end sarcasm]

  • ncpolitics Dec 6, 9:28 a.m.

    So let's get this right, a fair and balanced approach to pay for the business tax cuts from the 1990s (that all benefited businesses, not employees). 1. The cost being asked of businesses to pay back the amount of these cuts = $15 per employee. 2. Unemployed workers being asked to lose between $1,025 and $4,100 depending on how many weeks of unemployment they receive. 3. Evenyone knows that it should be no problem for a worker to find out on a Friday afternoon that they lost their job and to be able to find another one in 5 weeks or less.
    We need the legislature to be "worker-friendly" not "business-friendly."

  • storchheim Dec 5, 7:58 p.m.

    QN: Dix campus, by any chance? That would explain the inaction.

  • storchheim Dec 5, 7:25 p.m.

    "Perhaps they got her cheaper." - QN

    Gosh No! She made a very decent salary. Got more raises than you can count your toes. But remember right is right and wrong is wrong. Say no more." char

    Maybe she didn't post annoying sore-winner posts such as: "President Obama is our president! He will do good." all day long from her workstation, eh?

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Dec 5, 7:13 p.m.

    Storch -

    I contacted the EEOC too, because I had a doctor's excuse for each and every instance.

    I felt that I had been discriminated against because of my ill health which I had no control over.

    And the EEOC did nothing. pfffttt

  • storchheim Dec 5, 6:48 p.m.

    Wow, QN, that makes my experience look like a promotion and bonus! 20 years later...I get the irony.

    Here's one. Illegal behavior toward me, I got fired. Contacted EEOC. They saw "no wrongdoing" (jawdrop) but confided to me "otr" that boss had had to switch attorneys partway through because they were so clearly in the wrong; and the new attys were charging at least $1,000/hr. That was ten years ago. Company = bankrupt within two months.

    Karma's not the only witch (evil grin).

  • junkmail5 Dec 5, 6:43 p.m.

    Sad that people use this word. In fact it is a highly REGRESSIVE system that we have. Ought to be one tax rate and everyone pays it. EVERYONE." -storcheim

    I'd like to add you do not appear to understand the words you are using.

    A regressive tax is a tax imposed in such a manner that the tax rate decreases as the amount subject to taxation increases.

    That's the OPPOSITE of what we have. Which is a progressive system where the rate goes up as the amount increases.

    A flat tax ends up being regressive as well of course, because the marginal value of higher amounts of income is much less than lower amounts of income. Thus it punishes lower income people far more heavily than higher income people.

  • itneverchanges Dec 5, 6:36 p.m.

    All the Obama babies rejoice!! You got what you voted for! Now it is time to pay the bill for all that spending by BO!! Your days of hand outs are over! The power is now in the hands of the employer and you are at their mercy. The smoke is clearing and the mirrors are broken. Just as expected the election is over and the truth comes out with a vengence. NO JOB CREATION IN 4 YEARS!! FORWARD???Ithink not backward in a very high velocity is where we are heading. What are you going to do now that there is no more money left for bail outs; when they can't buy anything thanks to this administration!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Dec 5, 6:28 p.m.

    Storch -

    Yep, and the real funny thing is, those who would not witness for me when I got sick and couldn't work from being exposed to asbestos in the workplace, took time off with a doctor's excuse and got fired for not being at work even though I was ill and had the excuse, ended up finding themselves in the very same position within a very short period of time.

    Karma is a witch, isn't she! LOL

    And by the way, that asbestos exposure was deliberate because a new manager that I didn't get along with moved me right beneath an air return where most of the asbestos was being drawn. I almost died from it before the doctors determined why I was so sick - and the company denied all along that there was asbestos in the building.

    After I was fired, I set the EPA on them, and the EPA found it, fined them and made them put up a 3x3' sign right in their front window that there was asbestos in the building. The sign is still there, now some 20 years later.

    LOL

  • storchheim Dec 5, 6:28 p.m.

    ""Because they have more. That's the point of a progressive tax system."

    Sad that people use this word. In fact it is a highly REGRESSIVE system that we have. Ought to be one tax rate and everyone pays it. EVERYONE."

    I'd like to add: no deductions, and all income is counted whether it's loan forgiveness, wages, Section 8 or capital gains, then taxed ONCE at the same rate.

  • storchheim Dec 5, 6:18 p.m.

    QN - exactly. Mgt will lie, and those who want to remain in its graces will be retroactively deaf and blind.

    And good luck getting other employment, even if you appeal and win. As a longtime attorney friend advised me once, there's such as thing as losing even though you won.

  • storchheim Dec 5, 6:13 p.m.

    "When I was laid off perm., I had the privilege of getting the extended benefits. Makes me more than appreciative even more so."

    char, you told us over and over that you'd gone back to school and gotten a better job and that we should all do the same instead of collecting UE. OOPS!!

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Dec 5, 6:06 p.m.

    charmcclainlovesdogs2 - "I love dogs but I am not a sitter. Looking for a dashund."

    You decide, but it's a chance to be your own boss with very little start-up costs.

    I paid for business cards and magnetic signs for my car. That was all, and that all cost less than $35 from an online supplier.

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Dec 5, 6:02 p.m.

    Nancy - "No more wrong than the middle american household taking deductions for houses, kids, etc that they're allowed to take, no?"

    The rich get all those too, PLUS all their little tax shelter, failed enterprise tax deductions.

    That's what's wrong with it.

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Dec 5, 5:56 p.m.

    Issac Ishmed - "I hope I pass you in the gutter one day."

    And I hope you lose your job so you come to understand how hard it is to live on 40% or less of your previous pay and have to find a new job.

    Some people make it on unemployment pal, but many many have lost absolutely everything and have had to move in with a relative to survive.

    And because many laid off are middle aged, they have children who are being affected as well.

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Dec 5, 5:47 p.m.

    AlwaysAmazed - "I wish those who are voting on this could think about it like this, 'what if I lose my job tomorrow? Could I live off of $350 a week?'"

    I've been challenging them to do that for years...just one month out of every year, so when they go to make a decision concerning us, they're making an INFORMED one instead of an uninformed one.

  • Issac Ishmed Dec 5, 5:44 p.m.

    Look, I don't know where people get the idea that they are entitled to these high standards of living! If you lose your job, find another even if it isn't as good as the one you just lost. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR HOW YOU CAN'T MAKE IT ON THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY. If the alternative was LIVING IN THE STREETS BROKE as opposed to getting a paycheck from the mailbox every month for two years you better beleive they would lower their standards until they could do better. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE WORLD? AMERICA IS SO WEAK AND DEPENDANT IT IS PATHETIC.

    I hope I pass you in the gutter one day.

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Dec 5, 5:44 p.m.

    Nancy - "Those expecting government to 'create jobs' - they don't do that (unless they expand government jobs). Their JOB is to get out of the way to let the private sector have a good environment to create jobs.

    Why people don't understand that I will never know."

    I DO!!!

    Because in his campaign speech in Flint, MI on June 16, 2008, Obama said he'd CREATE NEW JOBS.

    http://www.asksam.com/ebooks/releases.asp?file=Obama-Speeches.ask&dn=Renewing%20American%20Competitiveness

    He didn't say he'd help the public or private sector do it. He was campaigning to be President of our government, and he said HE would do it.

    That could be where all the confusion started, with one of Obama's many false promises and lies.

    Remember his "Green Jobs" promotion?

    sigh

  • Banned4Life Dec 5, 5:35 p.m.

    Ummm, Nancy, that "good environment" you mentioned wouldn't happen to include any roads would it? How about those pesky utilities like electricity, water, sewer, phones, internet, Mail, cell phones, trained and educated workers, the teachers that teach those workers, the police that protect that business, the fire departments that keep it safe, the Busses,subways and trains that bring those workers to their jobs, and on and on. It's easy to SAY "Get out of my way and let me make myself fabulously wealth, all by myself, I don't need you, the government or anyone else's help" but that would be a lie. I'm always amazed that people think so simplistically when it suits their agenda.

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Dec 5, 5:35 p.m.

    peplquitwhinin - "I will admit my own cousin sat at home for two years refusing to work because she made enough unemployment to live and she spent almost the whole summer playing at the beach. When her benefits ran out, suddenly she got a job in about a week of looking. People quit whining."

    Did you report her?

    If not, then you're the one that needs to quit whining.

    And if she was filling her prerequisite of job searches, then it doesn't matter where she did it or how she did it pal.

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Dec 5, 5:33 p.m.

    peplquitwhinin - "I happen to know that our county is at 11.6 unemployment and there are help wanted signs in several places around town."

    Baloney!!!

    "For Millennials It Pushes 17 Percent"
    http://www.policymic.com/articles/15997/real-unemployment-rate-for-millennials-it-pushes-17-percent-but-obama-and-romney-prefer-to-fight-over-big-bird

    Between 20-25%
    http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts

    Between 18=21%
    http://danielamerman.com/articles/2012/WorkC.html

    "As long as you pay people more on unemployment than they can make working, they are going to continue to sit around."

    MORE!?!

    No one gets MORE than they can earn working; unemployment pays about 40% of what they made working.

    Plain and simple, you don't know what you're talking about.

    Now don't you feel silly?

    Research, then comment, and you won't.

  • ncouterbanks69 Dec 5, 5:12 p.m.

    Don't worry Obama will fix everything!

  • peplquitwhinin Dec 5, 4:56 p.m.

    I happen to know that our county is at 11.6 unemployment and there are help wanted signs in several places around town. As long as you pay people more on unemployment than they can make working, they are going to continue to sit around. Then when the benefits run out it is suddenly somebody else's problem. They are the poor victim. Some are legitimately out of work, but where is the incentive to go back to work? I volunteer for adopt a highway and pick up trash in the front yards of people that have not had a job in a couple years and are too lazy to pick up the trash in their yard! I will admit my own cousin sat at home for two years refusing to work because she made enough unemployment to live and she spent almost the whole summer playing at the beach. When her benefits ran out, suddenly she got a job in about a week of looking. People quit whining.

  • AlwaysAmazed Dec 5, 4:54 p.m.

    This is scary for me personally. I'm working as a contractor and just found out that my contract will end in the next couple of weeks. I've always been employed and the one time I may have to depend on unemployment, the government is going to cut it??? This is terrible news. I wish those who are voting on this could think about it like this, "what if I lose my job tomorrow? Could I live off of $350 a week?"

  • Nancy Dec 5, 4:41 p.m.

    Those expecting government to 'create jobs' - they don't do that (unless they expand government jobs). Their JOB is to get out of the way to let the private sector have a good environment to create jobs.

    Why people don't understand that I will never know.

  • ladyblue Dec 5, 4:41 p.m.

    I just love the folks who think that our NC State Reps and Sens make a boatload of money.

    members of the General Assembly shall be paid an annual salary of thirteen thousand nine hundred fifty-one dollars ($13,951) payable monthly, and an expense allowance of five hundred fifty-nine dollars ($559.00) per month.

    This is why those people are part time employees. They cannot live on that.
    computer trainer

    It's not what their salaries being in but all the goodies that can incur from these positions in office. iv'e not seen a poor one working in state general assembly yet..and i know plenty of people who live off of 600 a month (which is the average for the older working person on SS due to era they worked wages were so low) not everyone makes 500 a week on UI it depends on their salaries when they were working.

  • ladyblue Dec 5, 4:35 p.m.

    o when can we expect an effective GOP plan to create jobs? One that doesn't include the trickle down myth.
    jgilchr

    maybe when they get the darn democratic rules and excessive regulations out of the way of the people trying to create the jobs. ever try to open a business in this state as compared to a foreign country? and i doubt many out there mocking our work markets even understand the trickle down economics.... as you hit it on the head by calling it a myth..

  • charmcclainlovesdogs2 Dec 5, 4:33 p.m.

    Employers will keep going for the younger and less qualified employees.

    Then they are certainly asking for trouble. You want someone that knows how to do. You don't want someone who is clueless or brainless.

  • charmcclainlovesdogs2 Dec 5, 4:32 p.m.

    52 and find out they have aged out of the full time work force entirely.

    hardycitrus

    They can go back to school, take some courses and go from their to obtain a job. I did.

  • Nancy Dec 5, 4:32 p.m.

    "They take tax deductions for a plethora of bad investments that they can afford to make, among other deductions, which can reduce that rate to 0%.

    And that's wrong."

    No more wrong than the middle american household taking deductions for houses, kids, etc that they're allowed to take, no?

    Time to get rid of the deductions for all, flat tax rate starting at a tested level of lets say, $30K annual, anything higher you pay a flat tax on every dollar earned.

  • charmcclainlovesdogs2 Dec 5, 4:30 p.m.

    With your name, I bet you'd be a GREAT pet sitter.

    I love dogs but I am not a sitter. Looking for a dashund.

  • hardycitrus Dec 5, 4:25 p.m.

    Employers will keep going for the younger and less qualified employees. A big local vaccine maker downgraded their safety and compliance positions from professional engineers to nearly entry level jobs. result? Sales decreased 6% due to safety related shutdowns and they are scrambling to make sure the FDA doesn't padlock their factory.

  • hardycitrus Dec 5, 4:22 p.m.

    Many people have paid into the system for decades, then they get laid off at the age of 52 and find out they have aged out of the full time work force entirely.

  • junkmail5 Dec 5, 4:18 p.m.

    Qenie, simple solution is to go to work and make yourself indispensible to your employer- rationality

    Outside of a very very very few incredibly creative/talented folks, nobody is irreplaceable... and even then the company usually survives the death of a Steve Jobs and so on.

    It's the height of arrogance to think otherwise.

    As I said, there's many reasons very talented, competent, and useful employees lose their jobs that has nothing to do with the employee.

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Dec 5, 4:18 p.m.

    charmcclainlovesdogs2 - "I wish and thank you for you delightful comment. Not everyone can go into a business. Glad you were able to. Are you hiring?"

    I'm retired, have a small part-time job and have two businesses actually, a pet sitting business and a vintage event jewelry business.

    With your name, I bet you'd be a GREAT pet sitter.

    Research the rates, decide your territory (considering the cost of gas), and put a free ad on Craigslist and at the Want Ads here and at the other local news channels.

    It starts slowly, but when you get a couple customers who will give you recommendations, it gets better.

    You can do it! Go for it.

  • charmcclainlovesdogs2 Dec 5, 4:17 p.m.

    Prove your value every day and chances are you will keep your job. Simple as that.

    rationality

    I would not lean on that last statement too much. That will not work, either.

  • rationality Dec 5, 4:09 p.m.

    Qenie, simple solution is to go to work and make yourself indispensible to your employer. No one is promised a job. Loyalty is a great quality, but it is not something that means you do your job well. Prove your value every day and chances are you will keep your job. Simple as that.

  • charmcclainlovesdogs2 Dec 5, 4:05 p.m.

    Open your own business.

    I wish and thank you for you delightful comment. Not everyone can go into a business. Glad you were able to. Are you hiring?

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Dec 5, 4:05 p.m.

    Whatelse - "When you've been with them for decades, you think you know all there is to know about them."

    I know a manager who was with a company for decades.

    He got laid off by his best friend who had also been his college roommate whose hand was forced by upper level management above them both.

    Both had every reason to think their jobs were secure.

    One never knows!

  • charmcclainlovesdogs2 Dec 5, 4:05 p.m.

    Many companies in 2007/2008/2009 laid off middle to high level

    Why hire the person in the first place if you are going to let them go the first time a problem arrives. Yet the person does their job and is dependable.

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Dec 5, 4:02 p.m.

    The answer is:

    Don't trust an employer.

    Don't work for anyone else.

    Open your own business. Work hard, and either succeed or fail on your own laurels and on your own terms.

  • charmcclainlovesdogs2 Dec 5, 4:02 p.m.

    Perhaps they got her cheaper.

    Gosh No! She made a very decent salary. Got more raises than you can count your toes. But remember right is right and wrong is wrong. Say no more.

  • junkmail5 Dec 5, 4:01 p.m.

    Sad that people use this word. In fact it is a highly REGRESSIVE system that we have. Ought to be one tax rate and everyone pays it.- whatelsisnew

    You might want to ask for a dictionary for christmas, since you seem totally unaware of the actual meaning of the words progressive or regressive.

    In fact, you seem to have their definitions backward based on your suggestion.

    Seriously, the guy who wrote the book on capitalism, Adam Smith, understood the importance of the rich paying more... why don't you? Why do you hate capitalism?

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