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Jonezgrl Dec 14, 4:31 p.m.
Goalflinger........how can you even think the woman "was in any way contributory to his actions?" You MUST be kidding. NO MATTER what anyone does, it does not give ANYONE thr right to kill someone.
goalflinger Dec 5, 6:56 p.m.
There is NEVER any good excuse for physical violence. What we don't know is, was she in any way contributory to his actions? He does not sound like a man who would just pick up a gun and kill someone without being provoked in some major way..and to what extent? Again, not excusing what happened.
dukefanv12 Dec 5, 3:03 p.m.
monami - my opinion is that the majority of the fault is with the shooter, and, (I am specualating) that there is a portion of the fault with the deceased.
Apparently you fail to see any copability with the deceased, and blame the shooter 100%.
News Flash: the world is not black and white.
monami Dec 5, 2:36 p.m.
computer trainer: I realize abuse goes both ways - no question. In this case, the man shot the woman. I wasn't speculating; I was relying on the information published by law enforcement.
dukefanv12 - apparently you are blaming the victim
Trusting Dec 5, 11:22 a.m.
Please let the public know if a fund is being set up for these 3 children.
Trusting Dec 5, 10:22 a.m.
If I had had my heart's desire I would have gone to Holly Springs and held those 3 precious angels in my arms all night long. I would have cried with them and held them as long as they wanted me too. I could not imagine the torture this grandmother and the rest of this family is going through. Not being able to have a child of my own - this situation just cuts even deeper to my soul Praying deeply for this whole family.
ellenfriend Dec 4, 7:25 p.m.
Please let's remember 3 little victims who are now going into a not-so happy Christmas season, which will now forever be tainted for them. :(
Poppy0120 Dec 4, 6:50 p.m.
"Actually, JAT, the cycle of domestic violence usually begins after the marriage. Things start out all lovely, then when he "has her" he starts to attempt the controlling and abusive behavior. It's all part of the cycle. And the more he abuses, the more it erodes the spouse's self worth, thus exacerbating the cycle, which is quite complex. But I agree, if he hits you once, he will do it again."
Sadly, the cycle often begins before marriage, ranging from subtle to overt signs.
dukefanv12 Dec 4, 6:04 p.m.
"Are you having the audacity to blame the victim here?!"
Are you having the audacity to be judge, jury and executioner, before the body is cold? Are you have the audacity to tell me there isn't three sides to this story?
We can do all the reading we want, but it can't replace the (your) lack of common sense.
storchheim Dec 4, 6:02 p.m.
A Man protects those who are weaker and smaller - and just about everything is.
It's easy to lash out, destroy, kill. It's hard to walk away, esp when your ego is involved, but the real warrior is one who has conquered him/herself.
computer trainer Dec 4, 6:00 p.m.
monami- I suspect you would be SHOCKED at the MEN that are abused. I know, it is NOT possible, but truly men are abused also, and some even worse. AND at this time, they still have NOT released who did the shooting. For all you know, it COULD have been her. No one EVER believes that a man is abused. Many women keep men from their families, by threats against the men and then their children. By that point, the men rarely get out. They are stuck, at least until the children are grown for fear that the courts will give the whack-job custody because she the "mother" and that she will kill them.
storchheim Dec 4, 5:57 p.m.
We knew this yesterday. Just keeping the gruesome stories in front of us?
monami Dec 4, 5:44 p.m.
"It is interesting how people, and most referee's, call the foul on the retaliation. It's amazing how many instigators become saints. It takes two to tango. However, I agree that people can't change their stripes, so that nagging she does before you get married, just occurs more often and louder. And if she nags you, she'll nag your children and your friends."
Are you having the audacity to blame the victim here?! Wow. You should read up on the subject of domestic violence and become enlightened, if that's possible.
jetset Dec 4, 5:31 p.m.
So, so sad.
monami Dec 4, 5:28 p.m.
"Why didn't he move out of the house on the 23rd of November? If she called the police as stated in the article "for safety while he moved out" then what the heck happened? workinghuman33"
He did leave. But he came back yesterday morning when the wife's mother took the children to school.
monami Dec 4, 5:25 p.m.
Actually, JAT, the cycle of domestic violence usually begins after the marriage. Things start out all lovely, then when he "has her" he starts to attempt the controlling and abusive behavior. It's all part of the cycle. And the more he abuses, the more it erodes the spouse's self worth, thus exacerbating the cycle, which is quite complex. But I agree, if he hits you once, he will do it again.
JAT Dec 4, 4:53 p.m.
and november 23 wasn't the first time this man showed his temper. More than likely, he was that way from day 1 or at least before they got married. barring a brain tumor or something, people's personality doesn't just snap & change that quickly and extremely. but people stay with people and say "oh he loves me". No he doesn't! If he scares you, he does not love you. If he hits you once, he will hit you again. If he doesn't let you see one friend, he'll eventually alienate you from all your friends and family. Until women (and some men) start listening and thinking, this mess will just continue. There's nothing we can do as a society.
computer trainer Dec 4, 4:52 p.m.
They still have not said who shot who.
workinghuman33 Dec 4, 4:48 p.m.
If you find yourself in a relationship and you have to call 911 you need to protect yourself and get out of the relationship. The police cant help you unless you help yourself. superman"
I cannot agree with you more! Not only that but Domestic Violence calls are one of the most dangerous calls LEO's receive and have to go out on.
superman Dec 4, 4:30 p.m.
If you find yourself in a relationship and you have to call 911 you need to protect yourself and get out of the relationship. The police cant help you unless you help yourself.
workinghuman33 Dec 4, 4:22 p.m.
It would be bad enough for children to grow up knowing a parent had committed suicide, but to grow up knowing one parent killed the other then themself, that's just too much. Glass Half Full""
Unfortunately, the children may never fully recover emotionally...especially the 2 year old. Some 2 year old's can and will hold on to that memory. I have a friend who's father shot her mother in front of her and her sister, then shot himself. The sister eventually killed herself. My friend does fairly well considering but she struggles quite a bit.
I have to absolutely agree with several posters here in that Domestic Violence goes both ways. My prayers are with these children, and the families of both the husband and the wife...what a tragic loss.
BULLDOZER Dec 4, 4:16 p.m.
Well put "JDAmbrosia"
BEACH Dec 4, 4:07 p.m.
Prayers for these families and the Mother that found them, poor little kids losing their parents right at Christmas.
BigTenFan Dec 4, 3:54 p.m.
JDAmbrosio - Well put, except you should put "ANYONE" who kills their estranged ex's....Domestic Violence goes both ways. I agree that more often than not it is a male aggressor, but anyone who stoops to violence of this nature is a coward. It is truly a tragedy that this happens. So sorry for the children and families involved.
YA RECKON Dec 4, 3:53 p.m.
RE : That makes you NOTHING but a COWARD, not a "big man" or whatever your twisted mind makes you think.
Good point,,, but I don't think the twisted mind is concerned with kids, big man or whatever... Its a sickness, some people cant cope and deal, in their twisted mind its the only way out.
buford Dec 4, 3:45 p.m.
The 2 year old "was" in the house at the time...not with the grandma. Looks like they corrected that part of the article, but still have the wrong address #tooquicktogetthestoryout...
Glass Half Full Dec 4, 3:44 p.m.
It would be bad enough for children to grow up knowing a parent had committed suicide, but to grow up knowing one parent killed the other then themself, that's just too much. My heart goes out to the children and their families. I also agree, if you have a problem with your other half, murder is the most cowardly, selfish, hateful, and hurtful thing you can do. Man up or woman up and just leave. Just leave.
workinghuman33 Dec 4, 3:44 p.m.
I always think of suicide as pure selfishness...it definitely confirms his selfishness to me when he took her life as well and leaving their poor children without either parent. I just don't comprehend this. Why didn't he move out of the house on the 23rd of November? If she called the police as stated in the article "for safety while he moved out" then what the heck happened?
ali817959 Dec 4, 3:17 p.m.
Woow. JDAmbrosio you couldn't have said that better.
Bartmeister Dec 4, 3:08 p.m.
This is a complete waste and a shame for the kids and families involved.
Nauti-dog Dec 4, 3:06 p.m.
It's interesting that the 2 year old was taken along with the older children to school.
Visiting relative. Maybe they wanted to spend some time with all 3 kids and took the 2 year old along for the ride. Doesn't seem overly interesting to me. Terrible that the kids and rest of the family have to live with this
kimisufu Dec 4, 3:01 p.m.
The 2-year-old was home when the shootings happened according to previous stories.
venitapeyton Dec 4, 2:52 p.m.
It's interesting that the 2 year old was taken along with the older children to school.
JDAmbrosio Dec 4, 2:38 p.m.
These men who kill their wifes, ex-wives, estranged wifes (or girlfriends) are the biggest cowards on the planet. They're monsters for killing their child(ren)'s mother, too. I just don't get it. If you're a big bad guy and you're mad at your wife/girlfriend, then yell or leave but why the heck do you have to kill her?! That makes you NOTHING but a COWARD, not a "big man" or whatever your twisted mind makes you think. So sad for those 3 kids.
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03