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delta29alpha Dec 6, 9:23 a.m.
Also Oakcity, these places you mentioned bring in tourist and tax dollars that benefit everyone in the state. The Raleigh park will not bring in tourist or produce revenue. it will primarily be used by locals for free. Nothing wrong with that but you are trying to compare two different types of venues.
delta29alpha Dec 6, 9:17 a.m.
Oakcity. you can't compare the two types of parks. Fort Fisher is a historic site that people come from all over to see additionally it has an ocean. The outer banks has the ocean, people come to see it because they don't have an ocean where they live they come to surf fish and sail and dive and go surfing because the coast is the only place where that can be done. Chimney rock is in the mountains, so people who don't have mountains go there to see it. The Raleigh park is a different kind of park, it's a recreational park. I guess it will have running paths and trails to ride the bicycle and open spaces for people to exercises. It will benefit people who live nearby in the city who may not have green spaces in their city neighborhoods. It will not attract people from other places because most other places have their own recreational parks that offer the same things. In other words it will not have anything unique enough for people from other places to travel to see. Not that a recreati
mmtlash Dec 5, 5:00 p.m.
love your post oakcity :-)
oakcity Dec 5, 4:16 p.m.
"How does someone like me, who lives an hour away from Raleigh benefit from this? The answer is I don't and neither does anyone else who lives outside of Raleigh"
you know what, your right, us raleigh folks are sick of it too. i propose that we bull doze and develop fort fisher, how about the rest of the outer banks? those horses need to be shot anyways they're a waste of our money. i mean we don't see any type of direct payment because that land has not been developed.
chimney rock? chimney not!!!! lets tear it down and put up some condos. mt. mitchell? i'm thinking the folks of western nc owe us wake county folks some cash. we paid for it and it none of that stuff is benefitting any of us directly.
mattcli Dec 5, 3:55 p.m.
How does someone like me, who lives an hour away from Raleigh benefit from this? The answer is I don't and neither does anyone else who lives outside of Raleigh (and probably most people who do live there as well). I'm not going to drive an hour to your park no matter what you put there. There's no guarantee this will make money for the state coffers. It looks like a huge loss to me.
alwayslovingu30 Dec 5, 3:45 p.m.
Get ready for taxes to go up again perdue could pay it very easley lol
Danny22 Dec 5, 2:59 p.m.
The gov and her cronies should not have the power to enslave the NC taxpayer into a decades long tax liability.
beachboater Dec 5, 1:13 p.m.
Yep, it's a good plan. Voted on and approved along party lines. Sounds like a great plan.
Raleigh will pay the state $500,000 and the state will probably pay Raleigh $510,000 to lease the buildings back from Raleigh. After all, buildings are worth more than raw land. I don't like a decision being made by 10 people on something this big.
NYtoNC81 Dec 5, 12:36 p.m.
Reading comments about a park and I'm seeing multiple comments about God and the rapture.
What on earth is going on? Are we back in the Dark Ages?
Wiser_now Dec 5, 12:20 p.m.
This is a win-win-lose situation. Raleigh wins because it gets to try out this "great thing for the city and the state". The State wins because they can make some money and when Raleigh says it too much responsibilty,I'm assuming, the land reverts back to the State. The only losers are those who will have to pay taxes to Raleigh to cover the rent and maintenance.
trayNTP Dec 5, 11:50 a.m.
Where is my comment about the REPUBLICAN NCGA being the one that CUT funding for mental health services? My comment about the REPUBLICANS being the ones who did that, not Beverly Perdue or the Democrats? My comment about Republicans being sooooo opposed to this park that they will ALSO ENJOY once it's completed, and will also BOAST in the future about how their guy, Pat McCrory, was responsible for overseeing some of it's implementation?
Did you not like what I said, WRAL?
skeeter II Dec 5, 11:22 a.m.
I think Raleigh has a park near Lake Weaver (not sure of location). Will that park be sold to generate money to develop the Dix Park. Why call it Destination Park rather than Dorothia Dix Park?
If it will cost $3 million dollars to develop a plan, how much will it cost to carryout the plan? How can Raleigh afford this cost -- sell bonds and then raise taxes to payoff the bonds and interest on them?
This DEAL should not have been accepted until all the facts and future costs (such as annual costs for park rangers, other operating costs, and maintenance costs) were estimated?
What will be done to the buildings on Dix? Many are on the historical list and can not be demolished. Who will be responsible for the cost of maintaining the buildings and grounds? There will other costs incurred that no one has thought about.
ripetomatoes Dec 5, 10:43 a.m.
It will be good to get this done before the GOP get the chance to asset strip and build condos on it.Grand Union
Woefully misguided, this is the current administration looking after its own.
ripetomatoes Dec 5, 10:41 a.m.
This is about the landowners surrounding this money pit. What a great Christmas present from some corrupt politicians to themselves and a few friends.
rand321 Dec 5, 10:34 a.m.
The GOP should look at all state owned land from Manteo to Murphy and look to sell it off, lease it, etc.
do not worry about Dix. The state owes the Raleigh taxpayers a lot for all the state property that does not generate property tax revenues for it.
Raleigh also has been shafted on highways dollars. we pay tolls when Charlotte gets teh 495 toll free and light rail.
The state owes Raleigh, its taxpayers and citizens than the park. Furthermore, it looks like its getting a great deal from the taxpayers. Raleigh pays to develop it, but does not own it.
delta29alpha Dec 5, 10:20 a.m.
As nice as it may be, The Dorthea Dix park will not be a "destination" park. From what I have been able to discern, a destination park is one that draws people from other places because it has something Unique that cannot be found in most places. Yellowstone, The Grand Canyon, The Outer Banks features, the Ocean, something available only along the coast. That sort of thing. The Raleigh park will be nice I'm sure but will not feature anything That can't be found anywhere in the State, certainly not anything worth traveling to see.
ThomasL Dec 5, 9:43 a.m.
Hold it everyone,you are missing the big picture,a park is needed in downtown Raleigh we need to make all the northerners feel right at home just like they had with there little green spaces inside the concrete jungles they fled from to all move here and take away the native north carolians home land.
piene2 Dec 5, 9:42 a.m.
"Now my property taxes will increase so that the "Occupy Protesters" will have somewhere to camp out
Let us hope that they keep the greenery well groomed and provide adequate porta-potties.
delta29alpha Dec 5, 9:38 a.m.
As for it being a "destination park" we'll see but I've been to Central Park in NYC and thought it was great. A nice big green space in the concrete canyons.
True for the people stuck in NYC it's a great place to get away from the concrete jungle, but people don't go to NYC just to see the park. There isn't anything there that can't be found in any other park in anytown USA. To think that the Raleigh park is going to bring in people from outside the area to use the park and therefore bring in revenue, is not realistic.
Karmageddon Dec 5, 9:18 a.m.
Now my property taxes will increase so that the "Occupy Protesters" will have somewhere to camp out
Grand Union Dec 5, 8:51 a.m.
Great news. Nice to see somebody thinking about the Cities future. This park will be a priceless asset as the city grows.
As for it being a "destination park" we'll see but I've been to Central Park in NYC and thought it was great. A nice big green space in the concrete canyons.
delta29alpha Dec 5, 8:39 a.m.
I'm not opposed to the city dwellers having a park, but I don't think the State taxpayers got the best deal for their property. The lease should have been higher or Raleigh should have bought it outright. As far as the benefits of a park being available to all in the state, technically yes it will be available however realistically, it's doubtful that anyone but Raleigh residents will use the park. People inclined to go to a park will tend to go to one closest to their homes. There are community, town, county, state, and corporate parks everywhere.
dwntwnboy Dec 5, 8:31 a.m.
"You think you don't have to answer for your actions in life. You say in your heart "There is no God"."- first off, I'm not scared of nor do I worship your "god". IF there is anything past death, and no one will know til we get there, I'm not worried. I am a good person who puts the good of people ahead of the almighty dollar- can't say the same of the "sell, sell, sell" crowd. You can cower and fret over what may or may not happen when you pass on. Some of us will go on living our lives trying to make the world a better place for our fellow humans. It's not all about money- some of you cant seem to figure that out though.
dwntwnboy Dec 5, 8:26 a.m.
"I'm a person of North Carlina and I claim no part of your heartless destruction of Dorothea Dix's legacy"- but you think the "legacy" would be better served by short sighted sale of the land to be turned into an office park or condos? Maybe a strip mall- instead of a tranquil, peaceful place to gather your thoughts.
pdbullard Dec 5, 8:24 a.m.
"I need more info on what they consider a "destination park" before I can be truly irritated by this."
That is political speak for "all the poor folks in the state will benefit from this give away to the rich folks of Raleigh because they can drive many miles to fly a kite".
dwntwnboy Dec 5, 8:24 a.m.
"Show me where the trees were going to be cut down if this didn't happen"- if the land were sold to developers, they usually clear cut the land to build whatever they want. So yes, saving this grand stand of oaks IS important. How about YOU show ME where they weren't going to get cut down if this land was sold for some condo or office park.
dwntwnboy Dec 5, 8:20 a.m.
"If you rememeber past news articles, this was Bev's prime objective, and legacy, BEFORE leaving office"- while the rest of us remember the decade this has been in the works, she can't take complete credit for this- this was a LONG time in the making. Glad she got it done before she left office, but this wasn't her idea, plan or "legacy" by any stretch of the imagination.
dwntwnboy Dec 5, 8:19 a.m.
"Well liberal progressives, what building, road, bridge, interstate, or even "PARK", will you be naming for you beloved Ol' Bev?!!"- can't think of a single one that should be named for her. She helped finish up this deal that was a decade in the making, but other than that, not really worthy of getting anything named after her.
Lovey Dec 4, 7:56 p.m.
I love Bev Perdue. I would vote for her again.
retiredindependentpopo Dec 4, 7:55 p.m.
Well liberal progressives, what building, road, bridge, interstate, or even "PARK", will you be naming for you beloved Ol' Bev?!!
retiredindependentpopo Dec 4, 7:52 p.m.
If you rememeber past news articles, this was Bev's prime objective, and legacy, BEFORE leaving office.
jacksun48 Dec 4, 7:46 p.m.
The place is alreaedy a great park. Great trees, rolling hills, open space, plenty of grass. Been that way for over a hundred years. Greed will turn it into a parking lot surrounded by office buildings and apartments.
surfermom1562 Dec 4, 7:45 p.m.
Parks are wonderful, however there is much overcrowding in the emergency departments of mental health patients awaiting treatment. If the place could have been sold for a reasonable price, maybe some of the money could be used to support the people that Ms. Dix worked so hard to help. It is a shame, that we continue to have thousands of people underserved.
retiredindependentpopo Dec 4, 7:45 p.m.
Thank you Beverly Pa-due and the liberals.
rickbrown64 Dec 4, 7:38 p.m.
This was all about making sure the Hospital was gone before Perdue was out office. Completing the Democrat plan to shove the Mental Disabled out of town. Out of sight out of mind.
ThomasL Dec 4, 7:36 p.m.
As said a native of this state Raleigh has made some stupid deals lately and this park will be a hum dinger of the century.If Ms Dorothea dix was still alive she'd cry herself to death over this hair brain idea.
Barfly Dec 4, 7:24 p.m.
I wonder how much money the state wasted refurbishing the elevators inside the McBryde building? The contractors were on site for about 2 years and it wasn't finished. Probably a few million dollars wasted on that project alone.
mattcli Dec 4, 7:17 p.m.
If Raleigh wants state property they should have to buy it at full market value. If Raleigh wants a park it should be at Raleigh's expense. I know my town would never get a sweetheart deal like this and won't benefit at all from this one. Congratulations on your new park Raleigh. You're welcome.
Barfly Dec 4, 7:17 p.m.
Most of the old oak trees will have to be cut down. They have been neglected to the point where they cannot be saved (decay, disease, never pruned and/or cut back). Hurricane Fran took her toll on the campus trees. It ought to be fun removing the huge fuel tanks that have already leaked no telling how much diesel fuel into the ground. Asbestos filled buildings - the campus is an environmental disaster that won't be cheap to clean-up.
Destination park? Gotta laugh about that pipe dream.
offthegrid7165 Dec 4, 7:00 p.m.
That's alright TV-D_Seat.. these guys will get their due.... in short order.... and all the money and influence in the world won't be able to save them from their just rewards...
TVs_Deceit Dec 4, 6:37 p.m.
baddogs - "The issue of Dix closure was a moot point."
Only because the monied and political interests who stand to benefit financially made it a moot point.
You coveted the land and you took it because you could. We get it.
Don't worry about explaining it to us.
Explain to Dorothea Dix why her countless years of tireless work for the mentally ill just got stolen away for your profit.
Explain to the mentally ill why you didn't want them lowering your property value and interfering with your development.
Explain to God why you use your power and money to get whatever you want in this world.
baddogs Dec 4, 6:00 p.m.
The issue of Dix closure was a moot point. The issue of what to do with the property has been discussed/vetted for years. This is a decision that benefits ALL of NC provided the destination park preserves green space for ALL to enjoy. This in not only a quality of life issue but a fiscal issue as people choose to move/stay/visit our cherished parks. If you don't understand, go visit one of our parks--and not an amusement park. Do you actually benefit from residential or commercial development? Good job Gov Perdue, Council of State and Raleigh City of Council!
storchheim Dec 4, 5:53 p.m.
"to all of you that are spuewing about an Athletic Stadium - you bone heads must be new in this area. Wake county refussed to entertain the idea of having the Panthers here. " pappy
Remember the problems with the 4th of July downtown fireworks? Where do you think people will park? Don't even think of using eminent domain on the houses of ThePoor, oops too late and from the way the ground is shaking, here comes Barber.
storchheim Dec 4, 5:48 p.m.
dt boy, you fail. "Save the oaks from the bulldozers" is a non answer because they were never in danger. You've posted and argued with almost every comment here and when called out you have nothing but "um....trees...bulldozers! There! See?"
Show me where the trees were going to be cut down if this didn't happen. You won't. You can't.
TVs_Deceit Dec 4, 5:33 p.m.
"..this is a plan that will preserve a legacy – the people's legacy of North Carolina," Marshall said.
Trying to spread the blame already I see.
I'm a person of North Carlina and I claim no part of your heartless destruction of Dorothea Dix's legacy.
I claim no part of your backroom deals and years of planning.
I claim no part of your theft.
This one's not on the head of the people of North Carolina.
It's only on the head and soul of greedy people like you.
lobgill7 Dec 4, 5:32 p.m.
"Well, Bev is giving us a parting tax liability on her way out. The costs will be horrific for the NC taxpayer." Danny22
The old hitting the nail on the head. This should be Raleigh's tax liability, not the State's, the folks of Raleigh should have to buy this land from the State at market value. But alas, this will end up being another State Park that benefits the few. The revenue this project brings in will never even pay for the lease, much less the "improvements".
CrewMax Dec 4, 5:29 p.m.
A destination park? Really? For who, Canada Geese? Why not sell it to private industry and pay for that loser light rail system?
piene2 Dec 4, 5:29 p.m.
It will be a pleasure to see some nice greenery there. For once exactly the right deal was struck.
mmtlash Dec 4, 5:11 p.m.
atheistswillrule Dec 4, 5:07 p.m.
to all of you that are spuewing ( sic) about an Athletic Stadium - you bone heads must be new in this area. Wake county refussed (sic) to entertain the idea of having the Panthers here. pappybigtuna
You might wish to re-direct your efforts to the GED classes at Wake Tech, or go back to your garage to listen to your police scanner.
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03