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  • NCHighlander Nov 30, 6:51 p.m.

    I heard someone say that a developer was going to put in apartments. But if they don't it will kill what is left in the plaza. Just like the Kroger on Atlantic ave. When it closed a lot of stores pulled out or ran out of business. GravyPig

    Mini city has suffered a similar fate. It takes cash for a business to survive and Mini city had too many people with no cash. It's sort of a natural selection in the business world. Cameron Village and North Hill's mall are doing fine. Why is that?

  • cynda-ur-way Nov 30, 6:26 p.m.

    I am a regular kroger shopper. Used to live in Garner and used that one alot. Moved off Glasco*k st and went to the one on MLK. Horrible selection. The deli literally just had sliced ham and american cheese laying on platters in the case. Maybe bologna not much else. Hence, I frequent the one on six forks/wake forest rd now. It seems they only catered to low income shoppers to begin with.

  • Bartmeister Nov 30, 6:21 p.m.

    They were the only store that carried the spice I was looking for from the Dinosaur Barbecue.
    GravyPig

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    Oddly enough, my buddy mentioned a Dinosaur BBQ the other day and said he found some ingredients at Trader Joes.

  • GravyPig Nov 30, 6:21 p.m.

    ""Wouldn't a Wegmans in the area be fun."

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    Do they have bars on the windows and doors or something? That would make it fit in that area. Nothing fun is going in there, nothing modern, nothing substantial will ever go in there. Probably will be turned into a nightclub 6 times before being bull dozed. It's harsh but it is reality."

    Nope, Wegmans is just another full service grocery store.

    I heard someone say that a developer was going to put in apartments. But if they don't it will kill what is left in the plaza. Just like the Kroger on Atlantic ave. When it closed a lot of stores pulled out or ran out of business.

  • mmtlash Nov 30, 6:20 p.m.

    "There is a Food Lion several miles up MLK once it becomes Raleigh Blvd from the Kroger, although it would be a bit of a hike if you are carless with a lot of groceries."

    "Actually MLK and Raleigh Blvd are purpendicular to each other and only intersect, but yes there is a FL on Raleigh Blvd. There are also other stores close to the New Bern Ave Kroger."-Gravypig

    my bad I was thinking of how Rock Quarry turned into Raleigh Blvd

  • Bartmeister Nov 30, 6:10 p.m.

    Woohoo, he was responding to what TV D had posted. His responses were mixed in with what was quoted. GravyPig

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    Thanks Gravy. I'm, not sure woohoo will ever get it.

  • GravyPig Nov 30, 5:57 p.m.

    "That wasn't my statement. Please-Bartmeister

    “The store's even already there.. just take it over and run it and reap the profits.” Those are your words not mine…sounds like ‘just’ taking over a lemonade stand or ‘just’ walking down the street. Never heard of something very difficult being described with the word "just" if a person what not trying to make it sound easy. Please"

    Woohoo, he was responding to what TV D had posted. His responses were mixed in with what was quoted.

  • Bartmeister Nov 30, 5:45 p.m.

    "Wouldn't a Wegmans in the area be fun."

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    Do they have bars on the windows and doors or something? That would make it fit in that area. Nothing fun is going in there, nothing modern, nothing substantial will ever go in there. Probably will be turned into a nightclub 6 times before being bull dozed. It's harsh but it is reality.

  • Bartmeister Nov 30, 5:33 p.m.

    "Close one of them and then you'll "save money" and be able to keep those other two open! Look outside the box Kroger!!! Bodhi126

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    This isn't about closing a couple stores in a particular area to hurt that area. Its about a couple of stores in a particular area that are losing money because the area didn't support them. Besides, who declared this area "Entitled" to anything. It's a "Food and Economical Desert" because the surrounding community made it that way. Once those large stores close down, it's like an economical atom bomb going off. Probably destined to be a Big Lots or some other discount and otherwise useless retail location. The collateral damage will kill the businesses around it.

  • GravyPig Nov 30, 5:28 p.m.

    "Wouldn't a Wegmans in the area be fun."

    I've only been to a few up in NY around Syracuse and I love how they have the feel of an old grocery store. The look and feel of the meat cases and freezers, the checkouts, and they pack some food up in that store. Plenty to choose from. They were the only store that carried the spice I was looking for from the Dinosaur Barbecue.

  • Bartmeister Nov 30, 5:23 p.m.

    You can't help someone who doesn't want your help, and that goes for a community or section of town. Again as I said in an earlier post, why do you think that area is like it is? Let an Aldi move in if they want. Free Enterprise.

  • GravyPig Nov 30, 5:22 p.m.

    "Close one of them and then you'll "save money" and be able to keep those other two open! Look outside the box Kroger!!! Bodhi126

    So close a profitable store and keep an unprofitable store open? That doesn't sound like a good plan to me."

    Yeah, things just don't work like that. Can't close a profitable store to keep an unprofitable one open.

  • superman Nov 30, 5:16 p.m.

    If people dont buy enough or they dont shop there it needs to close as of 10 years ago. If they havent made a profit in 10 years they have done more than their share of trying to help. My Dad use to tell me, "Son the best place to find a helping hand is at the end of your elbow." Dont those people have relatives or friends that can help get them to the store? Why is the burden on Kroger?

  • Barfly Nov 30, 5:11 p.m.

    Wakemom, I'm one white person that will tell you nothing in this life is free. Keep on believing that lie. I pay for those free cell phones that people are touting. Go get yourself one. I don't mind. I 'm a paying cellular customer. The government uses my hard earned money to provide free phones to your ilk. It might appear to be free, but trust me, it's not.

  • Bartmeister Nov 30, 5:06 p.m.

    they only read SE Raleigh SMH! Like white people don't like free if they were giving away something free lol wakemom

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    Why's it gotta be like that? Race card? Stir harder, it isn't working!!

  • Barfly Nov 30, 5:00 p.m.

    I don't mind helping someone unable to help themselves. On the other hand, I detest being forced to help those unwilling to help themselves. Don't blame Krogers, blame the community for not being able to sustain the store. You'll get no sympathy from me.

  • GravyPig Nov 30, 4:52 p.m.

    "Feel qualified to classify people do you liberal. Talk about being anonymous. Feel free to post your real name and address here anytime you get ready.-Rabbitdog

    That’s cute, asking others to do something you are willing to in order to prove they are ‘tough.’ Classic!!!"

    It's called being an "internet tough guy"

  • GravyPig Nov 30, 4:48 p.m.

    "The Bojangles over that way got robbed last Friday night by the way for all you folks saying there isnt a lot of crime over that way. I was listening to the police scanner online when they got the call. They lost sight of the guy when he ran through the woods. They think he went into those townhouses on Corporation and New Hope"

    The CVS over in Cary/Apex had an attempted robbery the other day. They caught the guy. So does that mean that there is a big crime issue in Cary/Apex?

  • GravyPig Nov 30, 4:45 p.m.

    "Feel qualified to classify people do you liberal. Talk about being anonymous. Feel free to post your real name and address here anytime you get ready."

    Have you been reading the comments section?!? Heck, just read the ones by Storcheim. There are plenty of comments on here that stereotype the South Raleigh residents. You keep using Liberal like it is a slur. It's no more a slur than Conservative.

  • GravyPig Nov 30, 4:17 p.m.

    "There is a Food Lion several miles up MLK once it becomes Raleigh Blvd from the Kroger, although it would be a bit of a hike if you are carless with a lot of groceries."

    Actually MLK and Raleigh Blvd are purpendicular to each other and only intersect, but yes there is a FL on Raleigh Blvd. There are also other stores close to the New Bern Ave Kroger.

  • GravyPig Nov 30, 4:09 p.m.

    "So, what was their reasoning? I shopped there everyday for 20 years and never had a problem with anyone-especially York."

    No offense to you Tommy Mac, but you know why you have been banned. They don't just ban people and call the police for nothing. There is a reason, you may not understand what they told you, but they told you.

  • Barfly Nov 30, 4:08 p.m.

    Wakemom, this is the Kroger story, not the Alabama murder story. If you have comments about Alabama, go post them there. Otherwise, stop playing your race card.

  • wakemom Nov 30, 4:06 p.m.

    It is amazing that everyone thinks that Kroger should be just like the government giving everything away."

    Where the heck did you get that nonsense. Aint nobody asking for free bacon (although I would love some). What article were YOU reading?
    GravyPig

    they only read SE Raleigh SMH! Like white people don't like free if they were giving away something free lol

  • Barfly Nov 30, 4:05 p.m.

    As a taxpayer, I fund those essentials purchased with food stamps. I don't mind helping those unable to help themselves, but I resent helping those that won't help themselves. Funny how there seems to be plenty of cash on hand when the luxury items are scanned after the free essentials have been sacked up.

  • GravyPig Nov 30, 3:36 p.m.

    ""That actually sounds like a grand idea...small store with the things people NEED...let it be affordable..." inez

    What do you mean by affordable? Take money from someone who earned it, and buy more stuff for people who didn't?"

    Affordable - being within the financial means of most people

    Not too difficult to grasp. You keep reading into this what isn't there. You need help Storch.

  • djofraleigh Nov 30, 3:34 p.m.

    The Food Lion on Poole Rd is 2 miles away. The much cheaper Super Wal-mart is less than 5 miles away from the Kroger on MLK.

    Those living in the area are already driving past the Kroger to get to those and other stores due to price.

    Those who walk to the store are not enough alone to sustain a 20,000+sqFt store. That building needs to gross %500,000 a week. Krogers can do that, but obviously not here. Kroger is a successful marketer. Gourmet brands mean higher profit, but that isn't what sells on the "poor side of town."

    Food Lion might could make it there? They are not yet union. Food lion still has cheap staples which sell well in the south.

    Wal-mart superstores sell about 4 times what a Kroger sells at a fourth of the profit.

    Bottom line, force the Super Walmart less than 5 miles away to close, and Kroger could compete. The shoppers would pay about $1200 more a month (based on the kind products sold in that area). The only grocery shoppers to benefit would be walkers.

  • WooHoo2You Nov 30, 3:18 p.m.

    That wasn't my statement. Please-Bartmeister

    “The store's even already there.. just take it over and run it and reap the profits.” Those are your words not mine…sounds like ‘just’ taking over a lemonade stand or ‘just’ walking down the street. Never heard of something very difficult being described with the word "just" if a person what not trying to make it sound easy. Please

  • jenforthewin Nov 30, 3:17 p.m.

    "...there are food banks with free food and food stamps for the underprivileged in Raleigh-and buses and taxis running all over Raleigh for convenience."

    Wow. Poor people have it great here. This guy really gets it. Everybody should try it, and shame on our representatives for trying to represent these "people" who obviously have everything they need already. /sarcasm

  • lumberman Nov 30, 3:17 p.m.

    It is over 2 miles to my nearest Food Lion. Obama I need you to build me one that is closer. And I would like one of those American flag cards too while you are at it.

  • djofraleigh Nov 30, 3:17 p.m.

    If there is no business at the store, and if there is a large surrounding population without a closer store tell us why there is not enough business.

    I've shopped at both stores and both are convenient to my home, but we don't like going there. How are they going to win us back to them?

    Food Lion in Tower S.Center stays open and it may still have the largest inventory loss in the area. Maybe they would take over the stores?

    If not, then the higher priced mom&pop corner stores with higher prices will have to supply what walk up demand there is.

  • wakemom Nov 30, 3:12 p.m.

    funny how you people in here downing those in SE Raleigh. In the story of the murder in alabama someone said to pray for him and his family. AND there are only about 15 comments.

  • GravyPig Nov 30, 3:06 p.m.

    "It is amazing that everyone thinks that Kroger should be just like the government giving everything away."

    Where the heck did you get that nonsense. Aint nobody asking for free bacon (although I would love some). What article were YOU reading?

  • NCHighlander Nov 30, 3:05 p.m.

    "Oops, I forgot "social justice and fairness" are the code words today."

    I'll say it again. No one is forcing Kroger to do JACK. They are asking them to stay. If something you used or needed was going to go away, wouldn't you try to stop it from going away? There is no "right" or "entitlement", there is only a community that wants to keep it's store. Unfortunately they are going to lose it. GravyPig

    Cry me a river. As someone else posted earlier. If you want nice businesses in your area then make your area desirable to those businesses. If you live in a welfare den where shoplifting and crime are high then you'll have to find a way to civilization to shop.

  • GravyPig Nov 30, 3:04 p.m.

    "I sympathize with the elderly.... but then again, in the countryside, there are even less grocery stores within an accessible distance. Just because a grocery store closes that is a mile away, doesn't mean these people are going to starve!"

    But then again, the elderly in the country have been living there. The store didn't move away, it was never there. You gotta compare apples with apples. It's like trying to compare prices at the grocery store here to the ones in Hawaii. They won't match up for many economic and location differences.

  • BigfootBeliever Nov 30, 3:00 p.m.

    Retailers close and open stores all the time people. Kroger, or any other company for that matter, is under no obligation to continue operating a store that is not profitable! They have operating at a loss for 10 years! This whole commentary is sad and continues to show how entitlement has taken over this country, particularly in challenged socioeconomic areas.

  • GravyPig Nov 30, 2:59 p.m.

    "If people do their shopping there why are their sales to a customer "small"."

    Let me connect the dots for you Superman.

    Low income shoppers have little money, hence they are low income. So when they go to buy things, they get the essentials.

    Essentials you say?

    Why yes. Like milk, bread, eggs.

    But Gravy what about steak and cookies and all those other tasty things I love to eat?

    Those would be premium items that would probably not move as well. Just like the candy bars at the checkout. See people would be buying basic staples, and only what they could afford. There would be no extra money for Bryers Cookies and Cream (which I know you love so much) or other non-essential items.

    Well that would make for some smaller sales then.

    Why you are right Superman. I think you are catching on.

  • GravyPig Nov 30, 2:52 p.m.

    "My parents have shopped at the Kroger on New Bern for almost 20 years. That shopping center has been dead for years. The K-mart has long been gone. The Golden Corral is gone. The Super Wal-mart has probably taken a majority of Kroger's business. My parents still shopped there because the Wal-mart is terrible, and they got to know the staff at the Kroger. My dad pulled the manager aside last week and asked him what was up, and the manager said the property owner isn't renewing their lease and is probably going to sell the entire shopping center to build apartments. My parents aren't angry the Kroger is closing. It's just a temporary inconvenience for them until they can find a new pharmacy and another SunTrust branch, as well as a new grocey store (that isn't Wal-Mart or Food Lion)."

    Sounds like more reasons that a community would want to keep what they have. It doesn't hurt to fight for what you want. Unfortunately it sounds like a done deal.

  • GravyPig Nov 30, 2:49 p.m.

    "By it's very nature, being a community-run store would help correct issues affecting profitability. There's a lot more flexibility to make changes."

    How is a community run store going to be more compettitively priced? They don't have the buying power to get the kind of pricing that the major chains do. Think about it. Kroger wants 50,000 boxes of Frosted Flakes. The community store wants 500. Who is going to get a better price?

    "This country didn't prosper with a "can't do" attitude folks. The attitude that prospered us was "can do"."

    And they are not just going to roll over and let Kroger pull out without fighting it. Doesn't sound like a "can't do"
    attitude to me.

    "In all of Southeast Raleigh there's enough people and resources to do it.

    Get it done yourself or don't complain it's not being done."

    Got it, they should keep quiet and do it themselves.

  • gjtheold Nov 30, 2:49 p.m.

    Wouldn't a Wegmans in the area be fun.

  • lasm Nov 30, 2:47 p.m.

    "Its your money do with it whatever you would like. Just extend that same courstesy to people you don't agree with too."

    Exactly what I was saying. I don't think I have ever exchanged ideas and information with a soul like yours. .....sad, negative people, such as the comments made in your exchange, make me pray for them; but I expect you will find fault with that also.

  • GravyPig Nov 30, 2:42 p.m.

    "Oops, I forgot "social justice and fairness" are the code words today."

    I'll say it again. No one is forcing Kroger to do JACK. They are asking them to stay. If something you used or needed was going to go away, wouldn't you try to stop it from going away? There is no "right" or "entitlement", there is only a community that wants to keep it's store. Unfortunately they are going to lose it.

  • Bartmeister Nov 30, 2:41 p.m.

    The store's even already there.. just take it over and run it and reap the profits.- Bartmeister

    Again, another person making it sound so simple. Do you have the 20,000-30,000 per month to just pay rent? Would your credit / income qualify you for a 5-10 year lease? Could you afford the thousands upon thousands of dollars a month of power to run all those coolers, freezers, deli equipment, HVAC equipment etc? What about all the employees’ wages / bills that would come out of pocket while you were taking a loss? (for years) What about the equipment and shelving itself…do you think Kroger is just going to leave 100,000 dollars’ worth of stuff there? (and that’s a VERY conservative estimate) Don’t forget about all the permits you would need to even run something where food is processed, stored, prepared, and cooked. “Just take it over and run it and reap the profits,“ right? Go ahead and prove how *you* can do it... WooHoo2You

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    That wasn't my statement. Please

  • GravyPig Nov 30, 2:35 p.m.

    "Personally, I think we need a Wegmanns or Publix!"

    I would love a Wegmans here. Bring on the salt potatoes and cheese curds.

  • pickles Nov 30, 2:33 p.m.

    Close one of them and then you'll "save money" and be able to keep those other two open! Look outside the box Kroger!!!
    Bodhi126

    So close a profitable store and keep an unprofitable store open? That doesn't sound like a good plan to me.

  • Bodhi126 Nov 30, 2:25 p.m.

    I don't live in that area so it doesn't affect me; however I find it interesting that they are closing those stores where people NEED THEM and yet there are TWO Krogers on Creedmoor Road within less than ONE mile of each other! Close one of them and then you'll "save money" and be able to keep those other two open! Look outside the box Kroger!!!

  • fatchanceimwrong Nov 30, 2:25 p.m.

    If there is a profitable market to open a store that can provide a safe working environment to its employees then another store will open in the area. If the local consumers don't support the store at levels needed to generate profits and do not provide for a safe location in which the store can operate, then start fixing the problems in the community. Make the community an attractive place to do business.

  • GravyPig Nov 30, 2:24 p.m.

    "I love the mentality of the lefties. They think everything can operate like the Government. Unless Kroger is given the ability to add a Kroger tax it keeps, then they have to shut down locations that are not making money."

    And that is where you are wrong again. This has nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with a community losing a store. All they are asking is for Kroger to reconsider closing. If Kroger says it is still going to close, then so be it. What does Left/Right have to do with a community asking a company to stay. I suppose you would just roll over and let them leave. Personally I am glad they have a Councilman who is willing to fight for those he represents. Why are these simple things so hard to understand?

  • emtp2k Nov 30, 2:21 p.m.

    elvmat23 "If the store at MLK was such a money loser,why is Kroger waiting untl January to close?"

    Maybe they are trying to help their employees find other employment? Maybe they don't want to layoff these employees right before christmas? Maybe their lease of the building requires them to give a certain amount of notice before they vacate? Who knows. If I was an employee there I would be thankful that I didn't find out today, that tomorrow I would lose my job. I was in that situation one time many years ago just a week before christmas and it's not a good feeling.

  • GravyPig Nov 30, 2:19 p.m.

    "The store's even already there.. just take it over and run it and reap the profits."

    You make it sound like going down to the corner store for a bottle of pop. So you have rent, you'll need insurance, utilities, a supply chain, advertising, and the list goes on and on. What kind of buying power is a single store going to have from suppliers? They'll never compete with Walmart and Food Lion.

    While what you are saying is not impossible, it is quite a duanting task to get an entire community to join in and pool their resources in this manner. It's not very feasible.

  • btneast Nov 30, 2:12 p.m.

    The issue is for the city of Raleigh to develop a transit system that works,

    Yes, anyone have a clue what the routes, fares , times are? I ahve been in Raleigh for close to 30 years and have no clue. Been to Europe and roe the many buses a lot. Even in Chicago, its fairly easy to figure out which train to take. Raleigh does a very poor job of marketing the bus system. I might ride it more if I had an idea of how it worked......

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