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  • uBnice Nov 29, 2012

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    Well said, thank you. The coaches and schools can make obscene money. But the players are labeled common, petty criminals if they dare even let someone buy them a hamburger and fries.

    In a recent 60 Minutes segment on big time college football with Michigan as its focus, the QB said that football was a full time job, complete with year-round training.

    But the clincher was the Michigan AD said that of the 120+ D1 college football programs, only about 22 were profitable. He said that the economic model for this arms race is unsustainable!

  • iron fist Nov 29, 2012

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    This link my last longer then the new coach. State should not rush to hire, they should do their job and find the right man for the job. GO HEELS!!!!

  • rushbot Nov 29, 2012

    Will this link never go away..this is so boring..

  • Ken D. Nov 29, 2012

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    ????

  • rushbot Nov 29, 2012

    yawn..this is old news,,

  • Objective Scientist Nov 29, 2012

    If all NCAA D-I football programs were to hire multimillion dollar coaches and coaching staff... what will the ADs and Chancellor/Presidents do when their particular multimillionaire coach(es)does not win "enough" games? Football games no longer can end in a tie... SOMEONE MUST LOSE! It is a certainty in intercollegiate football games... one team wins, one team loses. Half of all teams who play each Saturday LOSE!

    We have the proverbial "arms race" with regard to stadiums, training facilities, palatial and high tech academic support centers with huge staffs, etc., etc., and we also have an "arms" race with football (and basketball0 coaches! Both "arms races" have led us to the point of being truly ridiculous! Miles, Brown, Saban, Stoops... their salaries are obscene for the coach of a sport team at an institution of higher education! And it seems that today universities will raise a coach's salary simply to squelch a rumor that their coach MAY even be thinking of going somewhere else and/or that someone else will offer them more money to leave. With regard to money - and with regard to admitting athletes who have no desire to be a student and for whom the term "student-athlete" is neither accurate nor appropriate in any way - has gone totally NUTS!

  • FourAutumn Nov 29, 2012

    Yes it is and the results are not unanimous. I can show you studies that show success in Athletics result in moderate increase in total applications and no real impact in the "top" students.

    I would agree that success on the field can increase the visibility of a school and have an increase in applications. But for top students, there is no indication that athletic success is a major factor for applying.

  • swray001 Nov 29, 2012

    Ken D you have been on these boards long enough to know, that O'Brien ask for the job. State did not go after him.

  • evenpar29 Nov 29, 2012

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    Do you realize how much money UNC brings in for sales with UNC logs on it? How much of that money is put toward lowering Student tuition or staff pay?

  • Cahulawassee Nov 29, 2012

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    You can't compare the Ivy League, MIT, etc. which have a relatively inelastic demand based on their reputation and network as compared with the bulk of NCAA schools which are largely interchangeable (even Duke for any number of other overpriced private universities where one buys a network) and hence must compete for "top talent". This is without even mentioning the impact of athletics on the overall bottom line of a university - it's about a lot more than just W's and L's.

    The enrollment impact of athletics on universities is a well-studied phenomenon recognized by university administrations, and there are a number of good papers on it for anyone willing to read something besides an internet message board. What's important for NCSU fans & alumni is that Woodson and Yow get it.

  • Sandbar33 Nov 29, 2012

    Ibleedredandwhite

    No offense but "people" who know "football" have known who Sonny Dykes is for a number of years. He isn't sneaking up on anybody.....The point I was making in my other post that you failed to comprehend is that most football coaches start somewhere small until somebody takes a chance on them. It's called risk/reward.....Schools like Bowling Green, Central Michigan and La. Tech have nothing to lose gambling on an Urban Meyer, Brian Kelly or Sonny Dykes. Utah and Cinci felt like thye had nothing to lose either and look at what that risk/reward resulted in......State has nothing to lose hiring Sonny Dykes. He has learned from and worked with many of the brightest offensive minds in football. He is considered one of the elite offensive minds in football TODAY as well as being recognized as a great recruiter. I can tell you this much.....If State is fortunate enough to land him you wont see them being beaten by Virginia by 4 touchdowns in Carter Stadium. You wont see State getting beaten by Wake, BC or Maryland. A subpar year under Sonny Dykes would be 8-4 which apparently is a phenomenal year under TOB.

  • Ken D. Nov 29, 2012

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    This article only addresses how fast a deal with a new coach could be finalized, not how much time went into the decision who that coach might be. Yow didn't start evaluating potential replacements after she fired TOB. I'd be very surprised if she didn't begin this process over a year ago. No doubt she has been observing Dykes' performance, and that of many other potential candidates, all year.

    And so have dozens of other ADs around the country. Unless you want one of them to beat you to the draw and hire your target out from under your nose, you'd better be prepared to close the deal quickly. That's your job.

  • FourAutumn Nov 29, 2012

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    I'm not really sure about that. If so, the Ivy Leagur, MIT, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, University of Chicago, etc., would have disappeared years ago and been replaced by Alabama, Kentucky, and Ohio State.

    Athletics are more for the alumni and donations that it is for drawing top students. I'm sure kids that want to go for Duke for the top notch education will go regardless of whether Coach K is there or not.

  • Cahulawassee Nov 29, 2012

    It seems most of you either aren't aware, or aren't acknowledging, the link between success on the athletic side of the university and success on the academic side. Right or wrong, it is one of the major factors that influences where the top students decide to attend college and hence income, rankings, and all of the other factors that measure the "success" of a modern university in the US. Fortunately, Woodson gets it.

  • Wolfpackalypse Now Nov 29, 2012

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    Dolla dolla bills y'all, takes money to make money, etc. Nick Saban FTW!

    Just kidding. I have no idea where on Earth that Saban rumor originated, but I head someone on 99.9 (Ovies or Gold, I believe) discussing it with some degree of seriousness.

    I do happen to agree that the financial focus is sickening. I miss the old ACC quite badly, and find the new conference to be some ungodly, Frankenstein's monster-esque bastardization of our formerly tradition-rich conference. Hopefully it will work out well, but I'm not crazy about the additions of Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, and frankly despise the psuedo-addition of Notre Dame.

  • lec02572 Nov 29, 2012

    Maybe, State should move to the SEC and then they would have a recruiting plus and the added revenue from tv would all them to pay move for an established coach vs a coordinator or an up and coming coach.

  • jskinner23 Nov 29, 2012

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    Re-read Sandbar's statement. He talked about UTAH (not Florida) taking a chance on Urban Meyer and CINCINNATI (not Notre Dame) taking a chance on Brian Kelly. I'm assuming you were not calling Utah and Cincinnati places with a past history of dominance and recruit themselves.

    Regarding spread offenses: the NFL is moving in that direction. Not as much of a hinderance to draft status as it used to be.

  • london12 Nov 29, 2012

    State, I'm afraid, will never get Cowher out of that cushy, high-paying gig.

  • jetset Nov 29, 2012

    Pay between 2-3 million annually??? And, just think....some students and parents struggle to pay tuition. This is appauling!

  • GridironGuru Nov 29, 2012

    These blogs are a lot of fun and quite interesting at times however, I was taken back by Dr. Yow's text msg conversation she exchanged with the reporter yesterday. He reported that Yow knew exactly who SHE wanted and was going after him in some kinda spare no expense attitude! What's ironic is the fact that she never mentioned what would be the best coach for the program at this time. In my humble opinion that should be the goal! Is it what she wants or is it what the program needs. She seems to be a lot about herself.

  • Holy Carp. Nov 29, 2012

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    It's not about the students at all or the athletes. It's about how much money can we bring in. Sickening.

  • IBleedRedandWhite Nov 29, 2012

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    Urban Meyer-goes to ESTABLISHED football schools where recruiting and past history of dominance is in place

    Brian Kelly-goes to a school that has a football dominance past, basically recruits itself, and it was his dream job.

    State does not have a past history of football dominance, has to compete with 4 other D-I in-state institutions, and is usually no anyone's dream job sans a few alumni maybe.

    Dykes has put together a team that won the WAC (as "momentus" as that is to do) in the midst of major football school around him in the likes of Bama, LSU, Arkansas, Georgia, and Auburn so it does show he can take left-over talent and make something worth putting on a field.

    My biggest problem with Dykes is until now, how many people knew who he was? And the fact that he runs a spread offense. While spread offenses are great for college and puts people in the seats because they are exciting to watch, they tend to detract serious NFL talent because they do not prepare the player for their ultimate goal of being a top draft pick unless you are a receiver or an exception like Newton (which is doing "absolutely wonderful" in his second pro season).

  • Got Peart Nov 29, 2012

    I would be happy with Dykes or Morris. Both would bring exciting, up tempo offenses, and both would need PROVEN defensive coaches.

    The guy that is #1 on my list is one I haven't seen mentioned here. Dave Dorene from Northern Illinois. He's been coach there for 2 years. REcord: 22-4. Offense was ranked #12 nationally, defnese #30. Outscored opponents by an average score of 41-17 this year. Broke in a new QB - all that guy did was throw for 2700 yds and run for another 1500.

    Haven't heard him mentioned yet due to playing in MAC Championship tomorrow night. If nothing is announced by Saturday - then most likely the 2 coaches in tomorrow nights game are serious contenders.

  • I know some stuff Nov 29, 2012

    First 'what's the Hurry'?
    Second, such outrageous salaries for coaches, not the players who actually do the job of winning, is nuts. Who created such an elite group of people?
    Finally...with the american obsession about sports over academics, you can see why we're losing the lead in the global economic race.

  • baldchip Nov 29, 2012

    VTER-obama is not worth what he makes. WE'll pay for that for years to come.

    WE cannot undue what Debbie Yow did on Sunday. WE must move forward. Dykes seems like a logical choice. At least the offense will be fun to watch-and that puts people in seats.

  • Ven Nov 29, 2012

    The program was not moving forward, and like it or not that's the state of college football. It's not a reflection on TOB as a person or even a coach - he plugged holes, solidified the program, and graduated young men. His biggest mistake IMO - he let Russell Wilson go with the hopes that Glennon would be a super-stud that would attract top talent to State. It was a risky, but logical approach that simply didn't pan out, leaving him probably looking at 2-3 seasons of .500 ball going forward...which is unacceptable in college football environment today (sad reality).

  • vter53 Nov 29, 2012

    Pay state university football coach millions of dollars a year and pay police and corrections people 30 or 40 thousand a year, any people wonder what has gone wrong with todays society. The president of this once great land does not even make close to that.

  • ncwolf08 Nov 29, 2012

    Yow's decision to fire O'Brien was one of the lamest decisions she could have made. Coach O'Brien had taken his team to bowl games the last three years and would have again this year. I just loved the comment that she did not decide to fire him until she got up at 3:00 AM to go to the bathroom...a decision made during a bathroom break sounds like it should have been flushed down the toilet.

  • aspenstreet1717 Nov 29, 2012

    Hurry up they'll be doing it again soon.

  • FourAutumn Nov 29, 2012

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    It is classic...even the guys on the radio were laughing about folks on Twitter yesterday running with the story.

    Classic.

  • georgecostanza Nov 29, 2012

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    Exactly how is it showing "class" to pay TOB his bowl bonus? He earned it. It's not classy it's called "responsibility" He was the lowest paid coach in the ACC and now they want to bump the salary to more than double what they paid him. Is that called "classy"? sheesh.

  • baldchip Nov 29, 2012

    State needs to move forward with this hire-today or tomorrow. Good coaches are getting hired each day-the pool of good available coaches gets smaller each day. Hired Dykes for $1.1-$1.2M, put in many bonus opportunities, and move forward. Do it now!!

    NCSU showed lots of class by paying TOB the bowl bonus. They need to pay Dana Bible the same bonus-contract or not!!

    GO PACK!!

    PS-for the TOB fans-we were not moving forward in the program!

  • Sandbar33 Nov 29, 2012

    Urban Meyer was 17-6 in 2 seasons at Bowling Green before Utah "Took a chance" and hired him and the rest is history.

    Brian Kelly was 4-7 then 6-5 then 9-4 at Central Michigan before Cinci "Took a chance".....He will be playing for a National Championship in 2 months.

    No reason to think Sonny Dykes couldn't have success at State.

  • Cahulawassee Nov 29, 2012

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    Or D - you don't recognize sarcasm.

  • jdag Nov 29, 2012

    Fire a coach with a winning record. Going to a bowl game. Just not good enough? Throwing good people to the curb like this (remember how they treated Valvano?)is why I don't answer the phone when the alumni association calls the house.

  • mtnmama Nov 29, 2012

    I still don't get paying that much to someone with no HC experience at all. I don't think folks realize what the jib entails, especially with all the NCAA stuff to keep up with.

  • mtnmama Nov 29, 2012

    So, Saban would leave a 5+ million job to take one here for 2-3 million? Well that makes sense. About as much sense as paying an assistant more than the highest paid coach in the conference. Either, A- that amount is wrong, B-the target is a bigger name, or C- they're all nuts.

  • aspenstreet1717 Nov 29, 2012

    Few years be doing this again.

  • dsalter Nov 29, 2012

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    Louisiana Tech is a lower tier school and they are competing against the likes of LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Florida and Florida State for recruits in that region. What he's done...won the conference title...coach of the year...looks pretty good. However, they need to scrutinize all aspects prior to signing the dotted line with any coach. They won't get someone like Nick Sabin who makes around $5 million or more a year, but they should be able to get a decent coach with the potential of improving this program.

  • dsalter Nov 29, 2012

    The chancellor came from Purdue....and he wants players who win as well as players who can read and write. Not a bad combination. I just hope they don't forget the staff needing to be paid well too. When Chuck came, his staff was among the highest paid in the ACC and they did well...as long as they were together. I think they're on the right road with this.

  • jacamoe Nov 29, 2012

    NSCU football again.

    Where the heck is that place?

  • picsatexhibition Nov 29, 2012

    Check the headline. If I was the chancellor, I would be offended as this is a fragment.

  • makemyday Nov 29, 2012

    Chancellor: NC State coach deal can done quickly

    NICE! Maybe someone should preview it

  • wildpig777 Nov 29, 2012

    yea thats what he said about the mary easley hiring.... you folks over at state better wake... i think a good ole fashioned student protest is LONG OVER DUE. a shame and a pity when state lowers itself to act like unc-ch or dook.

  • evenpar29 Nov 29, 2012

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    Someone who actually read the complete story! Thank You!
    Now as far as a coach I think Dykes would be great. Morris would cost a lot of money, but might be awsome. I think Dykes brings a lot to the table with his abliltiy to recruit Texas.

  • Tarheel born Nov 29, 2012

    Headline: "NC State coach deal can done very quickly". Who in the he!! writes this stuff and then who's the !d!ot producer who lets this kind of stuff get past the proof readers?

  • reilteam Nov 29, 2012

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    Put new batteries in your sarcasm detector.

  • IBleedRedandWhite Nov 29, 2012

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    When Yow was hired on as AD at Maryland, their athletic deficit was over $50 million. When she left, the deficit had been reduced to a little over $5 million. She was the first AD to balance the annual budgets AND during her tenure the athletic department won over 20 national titles across all sports including men's basketball. She made necessary changes to keep Byrd Stadium relevant and on par with other venues in the ACC (which are nothing compared to other conferences).

    Since she has left, Maryland's athletic department has gone into the toilet and is back running a huge deficit. Yow is NOT the reason why they had to drop so many sports.

    Since being at State, the athletics department has gained 52 spots in the Director's Cup standings and is now ranked 37th. For more achievements since she has been at State look at the following article.

    http://news.ncsu.edu/releases/bbyowextension/

    Know your facts before you go blaming Maryland's faults on someone.

  • reilteam Nov 29, 2012

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    I agree. She expects excellence. The "small" people commenting here are threatened by her success; the only joy they have in their miserable lives is the "joy" they feel from the failures of others.

  • BULLDOZER Nov 29, 2012

    Great let's make a big decision as fast as we can. Isn't that how Chuck the chest and TOB were picked? They need to take their time and spend at least a week interviewing and looking for Top 10 coaches. Time to step up and make a good decision

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