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  • liliyorg Nov 30, 10:45 a.m.

    If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns, Lightfoot3. If Weaver had a gun, he wouldn't have to shoot it. He could threaten the guy by just pointing it at him.
    If one person had a concealed weapon permit at the Aurora shooting, a lot of people would be safe.

  • Lightfoot3 Nov 29, 3:23 p.m.

    “"I came around with my right hand and hit him in the nose," Weaver said.” – article


    The robber is lucky the story doesn’t go “I drew my firearm and shot him in the head”.

  • monami Nov 28, 7:44 p.m.

    "Hiring a good lawyer will ensure that he gets the help that he needs... "

    I wish that were the case. The addict (again, I'm making an assumption) needs to WANT to rehabilitate. Hitting "rock bottom" is what it takes for an addict to see the light (if he is ever going to see it), and some time in jail might just do the trick.

    Mom and Dad helping to get the kid(man) off easy (i.e., no jail sentence) and going through the motions of rehab often ends in immediate relapse once out of the program. I have witnessed this, and the end results were death by overdose.

    I believe criminal behavior resulting from drug use needs a severe consequence via a court verdict/penalty, NOT freedom to go out and do it some more. Combining a stiff penalty with rehabilitation sounds good to me, but the addict needs to want to clean up, that is, have reached a rock bottom turning point. Mom and Dad can't fix this.

    Addiction is a bi***.

  • jscott13 Nov 28, 5:16 p.m.

    Hiring a good lawyer will ensure that he gets the help that he needs. I just don't understand why so many people advocate just killing someone. Everyone needs to remember that, "There but for the grace of God go I."

  • The Anti Hans Nov 28, 4:21 p.m.

    Monami, there's a substantial career hazard of being a criminal: death. When peoples' lives are threatened, there's a reasonable expectation that they will fight back. Some may claim that Mr. Erlemann is a good guy who simply made a mistake, but I would argue that this is symptomatic of a much deeper problem, and he's lucky indeed to still be alive.

    This young man is deeply troubled. His actions could easily have cost him his life. What if the person he cornered was a younger woman of small stature? We have no way of knowing how that would have played out, but it could have been much worse.

    Just because a person is carrying a firearm doesn't mean it will be drawn. And it's entirely possible that the mere presence of that weapon in the holster would deter a criminal from following through on their violent acts. And in the worst case scenario, it puts the victim in a far more defensible position.

    If you want to live in a gun-free society, I'd recommend New York or Chicago. Good luck!

  • monami Nov 28, 3:24 p.m.

    "All I can say is that this individual is VERY lucky he didn't attempt to do this to someone who carries a CCP. The outcome would have not been in his favor. This story totally justifies why gun laws need to be changed so that more responsible citizen can carry without worry of brow beating by hand wringing anti gun lobbiests!!!
    torchhappysean"

    I AGREE THAT GUN LAWS NEED TO BE CHANGED, but NOT to allow more carriers. We need to STOP all these people walking around with guns! What if some gun freak would have pulled out his concealed weapon and shot this kid? You think that would have been a GOOD OUTCOME? CRAZY!

    This young man needs severe consequences (jail). His parents should not enable him with a good attorney who will get him off. That will only perpetuate his drug habit and life of crime. Hopefully this is the man's "rock bottom", he will do time, and become rehabilitated. We can only hope. Thankfully, there weren't worse injuries due to come zealot carrying a gun.

  • torchhappysean Nov 28, 3:02 p.m.

    All I can say is that this individual is VERY lucky he didn't attempt to do this to someone who carries a CCP. The outcome would have not been in his favor. This story totally justifies why gun laws need to be changed so that more responsible citizen can carry without worry of brow beating by hand wringing anti gun lobbiests!!!

  • jscott13 Nov 28, 2:53 p.m.

    Vendetta...your name is appropriate. Everyone who commits a crime does not deserve death or even jail time. If Mr. Weaver hadn't tackled him, then he wouldn't have even been injured. My point is...in many of these crimes the guys have killed before and have absolutely no problem with doing it again. Mr. Weaver took a huge chance and I just don't want to see anyone else try that and be killed. I could have subdued this young man and I am old! This is a classic...don't try this at home...situation.

  • Vendetta911 Nov 28, 1:59 p.m.

    this is a violent crime so any of you showing sympathy toward the assailant are dead wrong, people that are going to show no regard for the safety of others,WILL be locked away, if he put something into his body that caused this crazed addictive response than he brought it on himself.As for Mr. Weaver he IS a hero, you don't know if this guy was gonna leave and go rob a bank next(anyone thinking they would get away with this is clearly dumb[no drug can cause this combo of stupidity and action])

    @jscott13- If i break into your house and take everything you own and leave you unharmed, you would consider yourself to be lucky? no?

  • jscott13 Nov 28, 1:18 p.m.

    VariousGood...I have known this boy since he was a toddler. He has never been in trouble. He made great grades, was an Eagle Scout and a fine young man. Something has gone terribly wrong, but he doesn't deserve to die and thank goodness, that didn't happen. The reason that Mr. Weaver was able to so easily subdue him was because he is not a streetwise criminal at all. He was probably more afraid than the people in the store. What Mr. Weaver did was foolish, although I can"t say that I wouldn't have done the same thing myself. The police tell you not to confront someone in this type of situation and there is a very good reason for that. If this had been a different person, Mr. Weaver might be badly injured or worse. This is a unique situation and it is not something that should be romanticized because someone else may try to be like Mr. Weaver and lose his life!!

  • MikeS Nov 28, 1:09 p.m.

    Funny how this has no race attached to it. I don't care what color you are, when you commit a crime, you are asking for the consequences. Too many crimes occur with witnesses or people actively threatened and no one does a thing. When you play with fire, expect you might get burned. I too carry concealed, he would have been much worse off.
    If you think law abiding gun owners are a problem, you yourself are part of the problem. Criminals have no regard for laws or others and will do whatever they want to get whatever they want.

  • heelsgirl05 Nov 28, 11:59 a.m.

    NotFromHere, your chances of being hurt during a crime are very high. Do you think a criminal is going to care if you are unarmed? no. they dont want to get caught so they will try to seriously hurt and/or kill you. they are always on the take and not thinking of others.

    Oh, and FYI- It's not just those lowly (at least in your mind) "people of Walmart" who carry.

  • smegma Nov 28, 11:52 a.m.

    "The police need to do a better job of protecting people from criminals like this."

    police don't protect us. they do the paperwork after it's over. if you want police on every corner of every building, contact Janet Napolitano at DHS. she agrees.

  • smegma Nov 28, 11:51 a.m.

    "Sure wish he had been packing; would have saved us taxpayers a lot of money"

    LOL!! high-five. best comment of the day. take THAT liberals

  • VaultMaster Nov 28, 11:48 a.m.

    NotFromHere I am a Gun Packing Pastor and I don't drink and I am not crazy. More important, my mind is sober and I realize we live in a fallen world. Sounds to me like the robbers was high and wanted more prescription meds. Why not talk about that. What would be your story if you or your wife and children were standing in line at Wal-Green and a law abiding citizen carrying a concealed weapon kept them from being injured or killed. That has happened. It happened recently in Goldsboro NC. Call us pro-gun if you want. I rather call myself having the ability to protect my family and myself. And that what I intend to do. Not only is it a constitutional right but I believe it is a God given right as well.

  • The Anti Hans Nov 28, 11:39 a.m.

    TimeWillTell: I'm actually kind of pleased to know that NotFromHere is surrounded by good lawful citizens that are carrying a handgun every day ... and he/she doesn't even know it. It sort of makes our point in the best possible way.

  • TimeWillTell Nov 28, 11:16 a.m.

    Hey notfromhere - wouldn't it be nice if we carry permit holders had purple skin or tattoos on their forearms so you could identify and avoid us more easily ?

  • NRAalltheway Nov 28, 10:56 a.m.

    Sure wish he had been packing; would have saved us taxpayers a lot of money.

  • The Anti Hans Nov 28, 10:48 a.m.

    I agree with everything you said, BatCave. The police are the clean-up crew; how can I possibly count on them to protect me when a violent act is in progress? Criminals don't stop and wait for someone to dial 911.

    I'm all for strong law enforcement and I support the difficult work that police do, but it's not a substitute (nor should it ever be intended to substitute) people taking responsibility for their own safety and security. THAT is how to make our communities a safer place.

  • HANS FOR PRESIDENT!!!!! JK Nov 28, 10:45 a.m.

    NotFromHere, if you have such disdain for all of us gun carrying "people of WalMart" who either drink constantly or are naturally crazy why don't you just go back to where ever you ARE from? Then you and yours wouldn't be so scared

  • Chatham Rebel Nov 28, 10:42 a.m.

    Good job Mr. Weaver, I'd like to shake your hand. We have to, as citizens, put a stop to this nonsense. The so called legal system is not going to do anything but give him a slap on the wrist and let him go to endanger someone else. This sends a message that we will not be bullied any longer and the public is not going to stand for it. Drugs, yes that will be his excuse when he gets out. I too am tired of it. Good job!

  • pmck Nov 28, 10:42 a.m.

    The police aren't here to protect you. They take reports and do everything they can to make arrests - AFTER THE FACT.
    It's your responsibility to protect yourself.

  • batcave Nov 28, 10:27 a.m.

    Yeah right, that's a good idea. We need more whackos walking around with guns. You pro-gun people scare me more than the criminals do.

    People who seek to disarm law abbiding citizens are the scariest of all.In a free society, the salient point is not whether the gov trust me with my guns , but do I trust them with theirs.

    Notfromhere? no kiddin

  • batcave Nov 28, 10:26 a.m.

    The police need to do a better job of protecting people from criminals like this.

    The police cannot protect you, only apprehend after the fact. Not sure what his address has to do with it.

  • The Anti Hans Nov 28, 10:20 a.m.

    NotFromHere: Not everyone that carries is "drunk or crazy". And not everyone that carries is going to pull it out.

    I carry daily, and the bar for me to draw my weapon is extremely high (as it should be). I don't drink, I'm university educated and you probably stand a better chance of getting hit my a meteor than you do by getting hurt by my weapon.

    I'm more afraid of a trigger-happy cop than I am of the average civilian carrying. The civilian stands to lose a lot more by drawing his/her weapon than the cop does. But that said, I carry because it's a dangerous world and I want to make sure I'm as prepared to protect myself and my family as I can lawfully be.

  • batcave Nov 28, 10:18 a.m.

    Why not blame the real culprits

    The only culprit is the person that did the crime, if he is an addict, that's his fault as well. Lets all play the victim.

  • kikinc Nov 28, 8:56 a.m.

    "Why not blame the real culprits - folks who sell illegal drugs and get folks hooked on drugs. Just saying."

    Add to that the doctors that hand out prescriptions to painkillers like their candy.

  • HANS FOR PRESIDENT!!!!! JK Nov 28, 8:51 a.m.

    By the way, kudos to Mr. Weaver for not cowering.

  • HANS FOR PRESIDENT!!!!! JK Nov 28, 8:49 a.m.

    Will everyone please excercise your right to carry. I am very tired of reading of innocent people hurt while some loser takes something he didn't own.

    Good answer ... except that the stabber could've been a shooter instead. Let's all carry guns, so that we can "settle" these situations publicly. Nothin' like a good ole' fashion shoot-out!
    @notkidding

    I think it's a really good answer. What if the man defending his life against this guy lost an arm due to the stabbing? Got a life threatening infection from it? Had his fiance or kid stabbed and killed over someone's drug addiction? If someone ever points something at me or my family I hope for THEIR sake it's not a knife. Headline will be drastically different.

  • twatkinsntp Nov 28, 8:33 a.m.

    To all those that think having a gun would have been a bad thing.....what if this man (Not kid) had decided to kill all the witnesses. If you don't want to defend your family and yourself that is up to you......but if given the chance to kill someone that would try to hurt my wife or daughter....I will pull the trigger everytime. And since I am ex-military and was a competitive shooter for 15 years there is a better than average chance no one else would be hit. But even that is worth my wife and daughter......I look at an accident as being a bad thing but trying to kill someone even worse.

  • GravyPig Nov 28, 8:28 a.m.

    "Yet another violent crime committed by a street criminal that is a citizen of Cary."

    That sounds like a loaded statement. Only violent criminals come from Cary?

    "The police need to do a better job of protecting people from criminals like this. Decent people just cant feel save with this type of element walking around free. LOCK HIM UP."

    Maybe they can find the criminals before they do anything wrong and lock them up. They can create some sort of "Minority Report" and get Tom and Colin to bust these bad guys.

  • ncguy Nov 28, 8:22 a.m.

    addiction to perscription drugs among our youth has gotten very bad the last few years.

    I hope this kid will finally get some help

  • Just Plain Common Sense Nov 28, 8:19 a.m.

    The police can not be at every possible crime scene. The citizens: you know, we the people...We have to be the first line of defense of our personal safety. We have to be proactive, know the laws, take the classes, and arm ourselves so we won't be found lying face up in a shallow grave or laying dead on a store or parking lot floor.

  • Just Plain Common Sense Nov 28, 8:16 a.m.

    AWESOME! That is what stops all this craziness. For many years, in the land of the free, we the people were told not to fight back, to comply with bad guys every demands just so we might be able to live. After years, then one day, the fairytale's ending came: the bad guys will kill us anyways. I would fight, too, at least at the 1st crime scene there might be someone to help. At the 2nd crime scene, we would be all alone at the perpetrator's choice and advantage. At any rate the bad guy lost this round. Proud of that guy. Somebody give him a big raise! Hero.

  • SeaDog Nov 28, 8:11 a.m.

    Godspeed, Mike Weaver. Hope you recover soon and completely.

  • djofraleigh Nov 27, 7:58 p.m.

    would be interesting to see this man's medical record to see if he was given drugs for some time and then cut off

  • trholt61 Nov 27, 7:20 p.m.

    Gork - My mistake man! Sorry! Have a good one.

  • question_why Nov 27, 7:20 p.m.

    I'd like to see a photo of Weaver so I can thank him if I ever run across him for being brave and ending this kid's crime.

    Seems like this kid is stupid and seems to have found the place he belongs...hopefully the time given will be sufficient to turn him around if possible.

  • Gork Nov 27, 7:11 p.m.

    trholt61 or whatever - I was quoting an earlier post that amazed me -

  • The Anti Hans Nov 27, 7:05 p.m.

    Here's an idea: communities need to do a better job of protecting themselves from these sorts of criminals. Parents need to be involved in their childrens' lives. People need to look out for one another and report suspicious activity. And citizens need to lawfully arm themselves. We need to stop outsourcing the safety of our communities and start dealing with this nonsense ourselves.

  • trholt61 Nov 27, 6:57 p.m.

    "Entitle to take thats what they have learned in life, And they are entitle to everything because there is no reward to work hard anymore.. You can Thank Mr Obama for this" Wow.

    Gork
    November 27, 2012 5:27 p.m.

    @Gork - man, Obama did not have anything to do with this robbery! This guy obviously has some problems of his own creating. Why not blame the real culprits - folks who sell illegal drugs and get folks hooked on drugs. Just saying.

  • johnny2times Nov 27, 6:23 p.m.

    The police need to do a better job of protecting people from criminals like this. Decent people just cant feel save with this type of element walking around free. LOCK HIM UP.

    Click to view my profile Its the who what
    November 27, 2012 4:29 p.m.
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    And how are the police suppose to know where all these people are? If you can tell the cops where ALL the criminals are, where they are going and what crime they are about to commit, that would be great...oh and the cops were a block away when when they caught the suspect driving away from the store. Good job APEX PD!!

  • Unfair Moderators Stink Nov 27, 6:12 p.m.

    "The police need to do a better job of protecting people from criminals like this."

    Crime is everywhere -- I think the Cary PD do a great job. And I assume the citizens of Apex feel the same way about their PD. Surely you don't expect Law Enforcement to be clairvoyant or something.

    Glad the good samaritan is going to be OK........and I'm glad he seems to have gotten a few good licks in on the perpetrator before he was injured.

  • Gork Nov 27, 5:45 p.m.

    Factoid: more people get shot, stabbed, beaten and killed on the highway every single day by people on alcohol than those on all other drugs combined. Now, let's all go to happy hour...

  • Gork Nov 27, 5:27 p.m.

    "Entitle to take thats what they have learned in life, And they are entitle to everything because there is no reward to work hard anymore.. You can Thank Mr Obama for this"

    Wow.

  • CB123 Nov 27, 4:46 p.m.

    How does a rich kid with scholarships to UGA and support from the community, along with a good family in a nice neighborhood stab someone for prescription drugs? We worry about all the underprivileged kids in the world, but the 'privileged' ones need to learn some accountability as well. So much for good education and good neighborhoods.

  • Its the who what Nov 27, 4:29 p.m.

    Yet another violent crime committed by a street criminal that is a citizen of Cary. The police need to do a better job of protecting people from criminals like this. Decent people just cant feel save with this type of element walking around free. LOCK HIM UP.

  • notkidding Nov 27, 4:06 p.m.

    Will everyone please excercise your right to carry. I am very tired of reading of innocent people hurt while some loser takes something he didn't own.

    Good answer ... except that the stabber could've been a shooter instead. Let's all carry guns, so that we can "settle" these situations publicly. Nothin' like a good ole' fashion shoot-out!

  • csw Nov 27, 3:54 p.m.

    what a costly mistake. This guy lives in a nice (half million dollar homes) neighborhood, with his parents. Why would he do something stupid like this?

    The insanity of living with addiction

  • SFSOLDIER Nov 27, 3:40 p.m.

    Open carry! Correct, "Wageslave!" I forgot about that beautiful piece of legislation.

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