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TomIn Ral Dec 3, 6:26 p.m.
Thank you, State of North Carolina and especially Governor Beverly Perdue, for the gift, although I won't promise to visit you in prison...
superman Nov 28, 12:28 p.m.
Bulldoze the old convention center and build one twice the size so they can lose twice the amount of money they losing now. How about adding a nice entertainment center like the one in RR.
sky15thelimit Nov 28, 10:24 a.m.
So Pullen Park is literally right next to this proposed park. So why stop there. Let's put another park next to the new park. Maybe instead of focusing on light rail, or attracting business to downtown we can just focus on parks. End of sarcasm. I do not understand what we are setting out to accomplish here by having two parks in this close proximity of each other. Will this be an expansion of Pullen? Is Pullen inadequate as a Park?
Barfly Nov 27, 7:46 p.m.
When folks like Gregory Poole pay for a governor, they expect certain things in return, like a park on the old DDH campus.
tgentry1005 Nov 27, 7:02 p.m.
Isn’t it interesting that Ms. Perdue accuses the Republicans of playing politics for wanting her to slow down on making this deal in a hurry? What is she doing wanting to close the deal in such a hurry? After all she has four years to work on this but all of a sudden she seems to have woke up and figured she had to get er done overnight!! This just does not pass the smell test for not being politically motivated………
rdc42179 Nov 27, 6:35 p.m.
Wish as much thought and effort was being focused on the people with mental illness. If turning this land into a park is in everyone's best interest, so be it. Either way there is a lot on the table, so why the rush. If its right, it will still be right in Jan 2013.
mmtlash Nov 27, 6:21 p.m.
I think the park will be a great asset to future generations as Raleigh continues to grow....Raleigh ITB is only going to become more densely populated as the decades pass....
InTheNo Nov 27, 5:39 p.m.
"The reason why central park in Manhattan, for example, is popular is because there's businesses and residential areas surrounding it. The only thing around this land right now is a prison"- not true at all. Boylan Heights is across the street, there are neighborhoods on the Lake Wheeler side of things, not to mention the expansion of NCSU to another part, there is also a small neighborhood on the same side of Western as Dix. There are already homes and neighborhoods that will increase in value and tax base for the city if this is a park, and will encourage even better development of the area just around it. Central Prison is but a tiny fraction of what surrounds Dix property.- dwntwnboy
haha - yeah, it looks just like park ave and broadway over around dix hill.
bill15 Nov 27, 5:09 p.m.
"...and this is why Dorothea Dix Hospital was closed?" Yes, the terrible policies for public mental healthcare, since Ronal Reagan's term, have all been executed in the hopes that someday Raleigh could turn this empty hospital into a park. You must be an investigative reporter.
Barfly Nov 27, 4:56 p.m.
...and this is why Dorothea Dix Hospital was closed? So a bunch of rich Raleigh elitists and corrupt politicians can feel good about a legacy? The citizens of NC deserve better. Especially the NC citizens suffering from mental illness. They're the people we should be concerned about - not some elitist park that will cost us taxpayers plenty.
nic Nov 27, 4:21 p.m.
@arthurdowntown..the hospital in Butner combined 2 hospitals both with 400 beds to one hospital with 400 beds. The hospital in Butner is at capacity and the emergency room waits to get a bed are 2-3 days at least. When your family member lays in an emergency room bed for 4 days with a "babysitter" and no mental health care waiting for a bed to open maybe you will realize what a mistake it was to close Dix. If you are not happy about this decision email the Council of State...Beth Woods, Roy Cooper, June Atkinson, Cherrie Berry, Walter Dalton, Bev Perdue, Wayne Goodwin, Steve Troxler, and Janet Cowell
Buddy1 Nov 27, 4:20 p.m.
Never thought I'd see the day when folks would fight AGAINST a park! What is wrong with you people? It's called quality of life and turning Dix into a park will only help raise the value of the surrounding real estate. Everybody knows the highest value land in NYC has a view of Central Park. If I had the money I'd start buying up property on Lake Wheeler Road opposite Dix.
alshomes Nov 27, 4:12 p.m.
Wow a park when we need to balance the budget.
Sarge Nov 27, 4:07 p.m.
"Meanwhile, the mentally ill who desperately need qualified & long-term care, will have to continue filling up the local ERs, jails, and streets."
They can run for "office" like the rest do...
oakcity Nov 27, 4:06 p.m.
again, i encourage everyone to look up austin's zilker park. its what an urban park needs to be, its the type of thing that needs to happen on dix hill.
Sarge Nov 27, 4:05 p.m.
"Park would be Perdue's legacy" of course that's why she wants it done.
mrday69 Nov 27, 3:50 p.m.
Hmmm...this sounds like Agenda 21 to me. State and local government, buying up land and then determining its use.
Not a conspiracy theory...check out Liberal Democrat Rosa Koire's website for more information. DemocratsAgainstUNAgenda21.com
dwntwnboy Nov 27, 3:37 p.m.
"The reason why central park in Manhattan, for example, is popular is because there's businesses and residential areas surrounding it. The only thing around this land right now is a prison"- not true at all. Boylan Heights is across the street, there are neighborhoods on the Lake Wheeler side of things, not to mention the expansion of NCSU to another part, there is also a small neighborhood on the same side of Western as Dix. There are already homes and neighborhoods that will increase in value and tax base for the city if this is a park, and will encourage even better development of the area just around it. Central Prison is but a tiny fraction of what surrounds Dix property.
wral mods blow close my account Nov 27, 3:35 p.m.
Rep. Nelson Dollar, R-Wake, questioned the timing of the deal. "There's no need to rush right now,"
This deal has been in the works for 6 years or more. Mr. Dollar is complaining to complain. In Jan you can't complain anymore you own it GOP.
bill15 Nov 27, 3:32 p.m.
I encourage all of you naysayers to visit Pullen Park on any weekend afternoon and look at the parking overflow down Western Blvd. Just because Dix isn't lined with high rise buildings, doesn't mean there isn't demand. They refer to it as a "destination park" for a reason. And guess what, the neighboring land will get re-developed to take advantage of the value of the park and it will generate tax revenue through increased value. McCrory will back this park in a minute if he can put his name on it.
Crumps Br0ther Nov 27, 3:11 p.m.
Dorothea Dix had a "Legacy" too. She would be turning over in her grave if she new what had become of it. All the politicians should be ashamed!
Thats the good thing about the dead, they never complain about "progress." Progress is a good thing right?
rand321 Nov 27, 3:01 p.m.
What a great asset for the City of Raleigh!
baldchip Nov 27, 2:50 p.m.
I do not trust Bevvie for a minute. The woodpile is riddled with holes.
Frank Downtown Nov 27, 2:30 p.m.
We need more 800 sqft $500,000 condos
tnjed Nov 27, 1:45 p.m.
This is great news for all citizens of Raleigh...thanks Bev!
JoCo50 at MXR Nov 27, 1:45 p.m.
"Lets not forget about the shady area east of the campus. I am afraid muggings and rapes could be a frequent occurance. I walk there for exercise quite often, and you should see some of the people that use that campus for a short cut to the Llake Wheeler entrance. I have thankfully had no problems, but you never know." Weaker Pelosi
Thankfully, NC's concealed carry law should help with this problem.
BE Nov 27, 1:39 p.m.
Of course Republicans are against anything the Governor wants to do. They would rather put the Dix property up for sale to the highest bidder who would in turn will bulldoze everything, build commercial buildings and expensive homes for the wealthy. The Dix property should be used for all of us.
weasel2 Nov 27, 1:32 p.m.
How much is the state going to pay the city of Raleigh in this lease back deal?????
offthegrid7165 Nov 27, 1:30 p.m.
Of course it'll be final by next week.. or three... McCrory won't allow it...
Weaker Pelosi Nov 27, 1:05 p.m.
Lets not forget about the shady area east of the campus. I am afraid muggings and rapes could be a frequent occurance. I walk there for exercise quite often, and you should see some of the people that use that campus for a short cut to the Llake Wheeler entrance. I have thankfully had no problems, but you never know.
one_nc_citizen Nov 27, 1:01 p.m.
Agree w/jawsofsteel. The reason why central park in Manhattan, for example, is popular is because there's businesses and residential areas surrounding it. The only thing around this land right now is a prison. Put some condos and businesses around it, and let that tax money pay for the upkeep of the park.
anando7 Nov 27, 12:34 p.m.
Dorothea Dix had a "Legacy" too. She would be turning over in her grave if she new what had become of it. All the politicians should be ashamed!
dontbringdownthemonk Nov 27, 12:14 p.m.
Just when I think there is absolutely nothing Bev could ever do that I agree with she pulls this one out.
Like already mentioned since it’s re-opening Pullen has been packed and you have to park offsite due to the crowd.
NY has central park why not follow with this gem?
Go for it Bev,
RALEIGHNATIVE25 Nov 27, 12:14 p.m.
I disagree with this decision, Perdue sit tight and let your time run out. We will waste more money trying to fix this when you are no longer governor. We have plenty of parks in this city. Renovate the buildings put them to good use instead of bulldozing down trees in another location for buildings that will be occupied for a short amount of time.
Ven Nov 27, 11:44 a.m.
"Destination Park" = amusement park, race track, horse track, casino, Dollywood type music venue, Super Mall, Atlantis-styled water park, new home of the Carolina Panthers or Bobcats? Seems like if there were specifics it would be an easier sell.
storchheim Nov 27, 11:22 a.m.
"It is a pretty sad commentary that republicans feel the need to be against parks just because democrats like them too." bill0
It is a pretty sad commentary to make up a statement like that in hopes of stirring the pot.
skeeter II Nov 27, 11:12 a.m.
I think the voters of the City of Raleigh should have a vote on whether to use taxpayer dollars to LEASE/RENT the Dix campus. I would not support this! A better ideal would be to have the State build buildings and parking garages on the campus and move out of the MANY leased building that state agencies occupy in Raleigh and Wake County. Would save money each year by eliminating most of the lease cost in the agencies.
Wolfpack Joe Nov 27, 11:06 a.m.
When they say "destination park" I hope that means "Six Flags Size Theme/Amusement Park".
Localized geographically and would keep money spent on bushgardens/kings dominion/carowinds in the state instead of VA/SC
maybelle Nov 27, 10:58 a.m.
How many people realize our state offices are RENTED, and employees moved about every 4 or 5 years. It does not make sense
that Part of the Campus not be set aside for permanent state offices.
Hello Bev please don't move back to Craven Co some of us are embrassed by your stupid actions.
JustAName Nov 27, 10:43 a.m.
"I want wide open space." - erospawn
Plenty over by the Art Museum. In fact, consolidate all of the state buildings across the road from the old prison, move it somewhere else and you can have even more open space. Connect it to NC State farm land and you've almost reached Umstead.
hpr641 Nov 27, 10:41 a.m.
Anyone willing to place a bet that Bev. and her buds that make up the majority (7 of 9 seats) on the Council of State won't come up with a deal ... some kind of deal ... before Jan. 5? Especially since the City of Raleigh is also overwhelmingly run by Democrats ... anyone notice that Bev. isn't talking about selling it to the County (Wake Co.'s Commissioners are 4 Rep. / 3 Dem.)?
I Carry even in Cary Nov 27, 10:30 a.m.
Split the space...take 150 acres and create a private mixed use space such as northhills that keeps with the historic charachter of the older buildihgs..and take the rest, nearest pullen and downtown and create a nice central park type atmosphere. Watch the land value increase for the properties around...clean up the lake wheeler side and take a large portion of the profits to donate to Butner. Everyone wins.
bill0 Nov 27, 10:21 a.m.
It is a pretty sad commentary that republicans feel the need to be against parks just because democrats like them too.
Come on. Seriously? Of course a big park downtown is great idea.
For those concerned with developing part of it, that was actually the city plan. The center area would be park and the area right along the main streets would be mixed use development.
erospawn Nov 27, 10:20 a.m.
I won't woods.. I want wide open space.
InTheNo Nov 27, 9:59 a.m.
The transition of this property to a park will be the first step in the destruction and development of William B. Umstead State Park. The existence of a large "destination" park in Raleigh will serve as the politician's argument that Umstead Park is no longer essential to serve the people who want to get out of the city for a brief time. Then the developers who own the politicians will finally get their hands on the most sought after real estate in North Carolina. Some of the names associated with this destination park effort will also be associated with the destruction of Umstead.
JustAName Nov 27, 9:59 a.m.
Plenty of parks already in Raleigh. If you want woods, go to Umstead, which is also in Raleigh.
oakcity Nov 27, 9:55 a.m.
zilker park in austin texas is a perfect example of what dix hill could be.
Mr. Middle of the Road Nov 27, 9:41 a.m.
This is a tragedy. It should be a place where we take care of the least amoung us, the mentally ill. Not a 'destination park.' If Raleigh wants such a park lets lease Umstead from the state and make a park somebody actually uses. I hope Rep Dollar can hold out long enough to let the McCrory administration put an end to this nonsense.
dmccall Nov 27, 9:39 a.m.
Park or not, the wrong decision was moving Dix off of that property. If anything, mental health is a bigger problem than ever, and a hospital located in a remote part of the state misses its mission.
Frank Downtown Nov 27, 9:37 a.m.
Yea! They need to keep it a park and put no ballfields, soccerfields, or stuff like that!
Butner Hospital replaced Dix along time ago.
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03