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  • Whatthehey Nov 27, 2012

    "Is it me or does anyone else find these comments quite disturbing. Where are we as a society that people would even consider making comments like this on a public forum?"

    Polar Ice, I regret to inform you that you made a wrong turn somewhere and have stumbled onto the Go-Low forum, NOT onto a site where you can engage in dialogue with rational people and find thoughtful analysis of issues that will benefit our community. But more to your point, here is a copy of one of the website's rules, which is broken often when law enforcement is the topic of discussion: Prohibited are postings which make:

    •Assumptions of guilt or innocence in crime stories, or advocacy for punishment of the accused. Remember, a charge is not a conviction and suspects are innocent until proven guilty.

  • readme Nov 27, 2012

    I'm okay with DUI being a year in prison for first offense, especially if combined with other crimes like negligent homicide / hit and run /fleeing police, etc. Put my tax dollars to work for a good cause! Some countries will execute you, this is getting off light!

  • piene2 Nov 27, 2012

    "No normal person would consider the “fault” of a loved one’s death to be any kind of consolation to their grief. Most sensible people would find it more important to prevent a tragedy than to determine who’s at for the tragedy.
    Polar Ice

    In the insurance industry there is a concept known as contributory negligence. It means that the speeding cop and the chase policy are responsible along with the evading suspect

  • Classified Nov 27, 2012

    Polar Ice - "What do you propose they say when people are killed DUE to the continued pursuit?"

    “That it's the fault of the cowardly law breaker running, not the law officers trying to stop them.” Heuman Bean

    No normal person would consider the “fault” of a loved one’s death to be any kind of consolation to their grief. Most sensible people would find it more important to prevent a tragedy than to determine who’s at for the tragedy.

  • piene2 Nov 27, 2012

    "Is it me or does anyone else find these comments quite disturbing. Where are we as a society that people would even consider making comments like this on a public forum?
    Polar Ice"

    If the moderators would allow it, I would re post my last comment. however since it is right under yours, just read it there.

  • Classified Nov 27, 2012

    “Cowardly runners in car chases just need to be removed from the vehicle once caught, and shot dead on the spot for the number of innocents, including officers, they endangered along the way.”
    “You break the law the police should be able to put a Howitzer up your tailpipe and blow you to kingdom come to stop you for good.”

    Is it me or does anyone else find these comments quite disturbing. Where are we as a society that people would even consider making comments like this on a public forum?

  • piene2 Nov 27, 2012

    "Why is he still alive?? There is no justice.
    US VET"

    I find the comments here most revealing of the character of some posters. Out of one side of their mouths they claim to believe in some god or other and object to a blob of tissue, fetus being flushed down a toilet and, out of the other side of their mouths they call for the death penalty for traffic infractions. There is a word for that. Now what could that word be? Oh yes, I remember, it is hypocrite.

  • Whatthehey Nov 26, 2012

    ECU4lifepurpgold said "Whats funny is all the people on here bashing the police for chasing him when they have no clue lol. OHHHHHHHH but if it was there baby they hit at 106mph drunk and killed them then they would be angry"

    Well, just as predicted this AM, there were all these posters that decided dissatisfaction with carnage caused by urban police chases = criticism of, or lack of appreciation for law enforcement. I didn't see anyone criticizing LEOs. Oh, and the guy wouldn't have been going 106 if he hadn't been chased, and you better believe I'd be angry if the the CHASE CAUSED my baby to be killed.

  • US VET Nov 26, 2012

    Why is he still alive?? There is no justice.

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Nov 26, 2012

    PracticalMagick - "Curious as to how many posters on this story (besides ECU4Life) are LEO's?"

    I'm curious to know how many are cop haters actually, cop haters who wouldn't hesitate to call 911 if they or someone they love were in danger - even though as a cop hater, they should face the music of that danger alone.

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Nov 26, 2012

    Polar Ice - "What do you propose they say when people are killed DUE to the continued pursuit?"

    That it's the fault of the cowardly law breaker running, not the law officers trying to stop them.

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Nov 26, 2012

    Polar Ice - "What do you propose they say when people are killed DUE to the continued pursuit? Is it really worth killing someone to catch a car thief? All around the country police agencies discontinue pursuits (day and night) when it appears that the pursuit is placing unacceptable levels of danger on the public. In regards to an answer to this problem, how about law enforcement (since it’s their job) find out what’s being done in other areas to combat this problem."

    Car chases!

    You break the law, especially when you're driving at high speeds endangering the public, the police should be able to put a Howitzer up your tailpipe and blow you to kingdom come to stop you for good.

    THAT would keep the public safe from cowards who try to avoid responsibility for their actions - one by one.

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Nov 26, 2012

    Piene - "They could always get honest decent jobs instead, could they not? As far as self worth esteem goes, that may exist among those such as they are but that is about as far as it goes."

    You think law enforcement jobs aren't honest decent jobs?

    I'd like to hear what you have to say when you need one, and they show up and help you.

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Nov 26, 2012

    Enough of this!!!

    Cowardly runners in car chases just need to be removed from the vehicle once caught, and shot dead on the spot for the number of innocents, including officers, they endangered along the way.

  • Rebelyell55 Nov 26, 2012

    Come on folks, these guys and girls do a thankless job for low wages. It's a job that give them some self worth esteem. A little car chase now and then adds some spice to the job.

  • Classified Nov 26, 2012

    HopingForABetterWorld - "What do you propose the police say to the victims when the people who are going 106 mph before the pursuit end up killing someone?"

    What do you propose they say when people are killed DUE to the continued pursuit? Is it really worth killing someone to catch a car thief? All around the country police agencies discontinue pursuits (day and night) when it appears that the pursuit is placing unacceptable levels of danger on the public. In regards to an answer to this problem, how about law enforcement (since it’s their job) find out what’s being done in other areas to combat this problem.

  • PracticalMagick Nov 26, 2012

    Curious as to how many posters on this story (besides ECU4Life) are LEO's?

  • HopingForABetterWorld Nov 26, 2012

    Instead of just complaining here with no attempt to actually solve problems...I have serious questions for those that think police pursuits should be discontinued.
    1) How do you propose the police still catch the people breaking the law since they cannot pursue them to see where they go, and they cannot pursue them to get the license plate?
    2) How do you propose the police get accurate license plates when cars are stolen so they can eventually catch up to the real criminal and tnot the stolen car victim?
    3) What do you propose the police say to the victims when the people who are going 106 mph before the pursuit end up killing someone? Should they say, "We couldn't chase them because of the danger involved for innocent people?"

  • Tarheel born Nov 26, 2012

    Great job by the LEOs. Sorry they were hurt by this felon.

  • jrfergerson Nov 26, 2012

    Don't blame the law enforcement for doing their job. At what point did the parents loose control of this young man and bail him out so he could cause more hurt to them.

  • StateFan99 Nov 26, 2012

    "And at what point beyond rational would it be considered wise for law enforcement to discontinue a high speed pursuit through a city?"

    It took place at 1:30 in the morning, and traffic was next to non-existent. They come on the radio every 30 seconds or so with an update on speed and traffic conditions. If this took place at 1:30 in the afternoon you better believe they would have not attempted to pursue because the risk of danger would be much higher. No innocent people got hurt, except the fool who ran, and rightfully so.

  • Trekker Nov 26, 2012

    “Obviously before he drove 106 mph. They should have use radios, psychic powers, and mind control to arrest the young man before he ever got his driver's licence.” 68_dodge_polara

    Or for a more rational answer, they could have used their head for more than a hat rack and discontinued the pursuit.

  • 68_dodge_polara Nov 26, 2012

    GetRight, I see you've already nailed it...

  • ECU4lifepurpgold Nov 26, 2012

    Whats funny is all the people on here bashing the police for chasing him when they have no clue lol. OHHHHHHHH but if it was there baby they hit at 106mph drunk and killed them then they would be angry b/c the police did not do anything. I am a law enforcement officer and I say way to go boys in blue for getting another off the street and saving someones life.

  • 68_dodge_polara Nov 26, 2012

    "And at what point beyond rational would it be considered wise for law enforcement to discontinue a high speed pursuit through a city?"

    Obviously before he drove 106 mph. They should have use radios, psychic powers, and mind control to arrest the young man before he ever got his driver's licence.

  • Trekker Nov 26, 2012

    "the car was going over 90 mph on New Bern Ave and lost it going into the curve at the bridge. There was one point where they were going over 120 mph! Intense."

    And at what point beyond rational would it be considered wise for law enforcement to discontinue a high speed pursuit through a city?

  • buchkshot Nov 26, 2012

    This Hyatt is trouble. I trust the judge will deal with it accordingly.

  • GetRight Nov 26, 2012

    Whatusay, lovey & Piene2 - If you read the article you'll see that the police clocked this car going 106mph in Zebulon BEFORE there was a chase. What would you suggest the police officer should have done? You realize that this driver was drunk before this all started, right?

    You reference some kind of mystery technology that law enforcement should use. Are you suggesting that every car be able to be remotely controlled or disabled by satellite? What are you suggesting as a means of making someone stop their willful and dangerous behavior? Before you answer, and I do hope you will answer, please be sure you filter your answer through your ACLU filter first. Giving the government physical remote control over the car YOU are driving is not likely to pass that test.

    Government control is not the solution; Self-Control is.

    Good deterrents encourage self control in those who are otherwise inclined.

  • sinenomine Nov 26, 2012

    At least one high tech alternative to police chases already exists. OnStar advertises the following:

    "An Advisor can work with the police to send a signal to your vehicle, forcing it to gradually and safely slow down."

    OnStar also says that it can block a car's ignition, once it's turned off, so that it will not restart.

  • Holy Carp. Nov 26, 2012

    Maybe while we're at it, we should just stop the police from driving fast at all. I'm sure it would cut down on all of the expert comments about high speed chases etc as being unnecessary.

  • StateFan99 Nov 26, 2012

    I heard this take place over the scanner. Road strips were put out and missed.. the car was going over 90 mph on New Bern Ave and lost it going into the curve at the bridge. Raleigh PD was told to stand down and only assist in case there was a jump and run, and let Wake S.O. handle it, it was at 1 in the morning, little to no traffic. They have protocols set in place to determine whether or not to proceed depending on weather, traffic conditions ext. This was handled as well as police could have handled it. There was one point where they were going over 120 mph! Intense.

  • storchheim Nov 26, 2012

    What is "cops lebeto"?

  • copperino Nov 26, 2012

    piene2: Who will they use these radio waves to call to? Do you think there's a cop over every hill crest? If spike strips or roadblocks could be set up on any road within 10 seconds, there wouldn't be any chasing in the first place. But you have unrealistic expectations.

  • samdutes Nov 26, 2012

    Uh, thanks for the technology lesson Piene2, but what you are saying is already in place, trouble is if the police do not follow the suspects how do they know where to place the blowout strips or roadblocks? I know several LEOs and the last thing they want to do is get into a highspeed chase, not saying that's true for all, but for most. If you can, expand on how they would know where to place these roadblocks and blowout strips. I'm sure mose LEO orginizations would love to have this info.

  • Trekker Nov 26, 2012

    “Lovey you are living in a fantasy world.” leo-nc

    The proverbial pot calling the kettle black!

  • YA RECKON Nov 26, 2012

    If cars didn't exist the police couldn't chase them

  • PracticalMagick Nov 26, 2012

    Gosh, we should take the lights and sirens away, too, except for things like parades, right?

  • carthoughts Nov 26, 2012

    If the police didn't chase at least sometimes, crooks would know to punch it every time they got lit up.

  • samdutes Nov 26, 2012

    Maybe Whattheyhey, Lovey and Piene2 can suggest what some of these new solutions based on modern technology would be.

  • risteveh Nov 26, 2012

    maybe we should just mount some 12 gauge cannons in the front of police cruisers, a couple of slugs coming through the car should convince the bad guy to stop right? I don't think so, criminals are criminals, keep up the good work guys.

  • tgentry1005 Nov 26, 2012

    It must be that those who want to stop the policy chases think if the policy just say "please stop now" the bad guys will stop!! Get real, the police are dealing with bad people who are very likely to do more bad things. If they were not so bad they would have already stopped!

    Way to go police departments. The majority of law abiding people think you are doing a good job in bad situations..

  • leo-nc Nov 26, 2012

    Lovey you are living in a fantasy world.

  • heelsgirl05 Nov 26, 2012

    Lovey, the police have to follow certain protocol when a chase happens. These are in place to keep everyone safe, but sometimes accidents happen. I would rather they try any legal means possible to catch the bad guys instead of letting them go because they speed off in a car.

  • LEO 101 Nov 26, 2012

    I agree to a certain point on stopping Police chases however, The whole story is nnot always known. He could have been wanted for Murder, rape, or just committed a serious felony in the officer's presence. So let's just keep that in mind as well. Knowledge will tell you when it is time for a chase depending on the weather,amount of traffic and road conditions...

  • Whatthehey Nov 26, 2012

    Even without the news report any of us can fill in the words that follow "Police chase...." AND we know there will be a slew of impulsive posters who assume that discussion of the problems caused by police chases are criticisms of the police. Face it - there should be very few instances when Old West style posse chases are justified in an urban environment and new solutions based on modern technology are needed.

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