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driverkid3 Nov 21, 2:54 p.m.
WooHoo2You::::You putting “according to” at the beginning of a sentence does not make something true.
It certainly does not make it false either. You know what the truth is, but you will insist with your dying breath that these illegals need to be protected and catered to. Sorry, it doesn't work like that.
Disabled Vet Nov 21, 1:37 p.m.
Why are non citizens getting any tax breaks/credits anyway? If you are not a citizen, then you deserve nothing from our government!
101jackson101 Nov 21, 1:23 p.m.
I really do hope that WRAL stays on this story, this type of thing has gone on for years and people just let it go, good job WRAL and thanks for confronting a problem many seem to shy away from.
superman Nov 21, 1:00 p.m.
Discontinue the tax credits as well as the deduction for children for everyone. Even Americana citizens. In its place tax each child. People who cant afford children and have to depend on government welfare dont get my sympathy. The income tax exemption you get for children is just another form of government welfare. Society doesnt benefit from your children. There are already more people than there are jobs. There should be a government mandate limiting the number of children. The more childen you have--the less taxes you pay. Something is wrong with that.
WooHoo2You Nov 21, 12:51 p.m.
-@ WooHoo2You Hello earth to woohoo2you, you should know employees fill out their W2's but you can't question them and they also talk about it. And yes, i do speak Spanish.(and yes I was in HR)
You also claimed you know how they filled their taxes….is that typically part of a Human Resources job description or just more fantasy?
-But you are right about same day registration, I shouldn't sterotype and I apologize, sometime I just figure you can't speak English and havre no ID they might be illegal.
Now they “might” be illegal…again, were you behind them in line at the polling place? How did you know they did not have ID if ID is not required to vote? Did you hire them without ID? You do realize that is illegal?
- But when at work when they also brag about voting, it kind of narrows it down.
I have yet to hear anyone ever “brag” about voting.
-please quit making excuses for them when it is happening under our noses.
I have not made excuses for anyone.
ezLikeSundayMorning Nov 21, 12:32 p.m.
I'm pretty permissive and think there should be clear paths to citizenship, especially the Dream Act, but I find it hard to defend the logic of refundable tax credits for non-citizens.
Society benefits from our children. Sure the tax credit helps families get by, but it also ancourages and rewards us for making more citizens to benefit the country in the future.
lopo Nov 21, 12:06 p.m.
Hello earth to woohoo2you, you should know employees fill out their W2's but you can't question them and they also talk about it. And yes, i do speak Spanish.(and yes I was in HR)
But you are right about same day registration, I shouldn't sterotype and I apologize, sometime I just figure you can't speak English and havre no ID they might be illegal. But when at work when they also brag about voting, it kind of narrows it down.
I'm not going to insult anyone but it is happening and our state is a safe haven for illegals.
Only thing we ask is too enforce the law, please quit making excuses for them when it is happening under our noses.
NCHighlander Nov 21, 11:55 a.m.
More WIC and American flag food stamp cards for them. Undocumented Democrats need your tax money.
Scubagirl Nov 21, 11:29 a.m.
This shouldn't even need to be said. If the IRS would investigate, bunches of money would sure stay and not get given away. Illegal 'residents' should have NO tax credits-----THEY ARE ILLEGAL. If the child doesn't live IN THE HOME no credit......
ifcdirector Nov 21, 11:26 a.m.
Not going to happen.
NCHighlander Nov 21, 10:37 a.m.
America doesn't care about this stuff. The last election proved that. Let em vote whether legal or not.
djofraleigh Nov 21, 10:04 a.m.
This is not new and along with identity theft is going to keep happening. There will be some arrests and convictions but ti won't stop it. Criminals are playing the loop holes in our system.
WooHoo2You Nov 21, 9:39 a.m.
-I onced worked in a plant that knowing hired illegals, (I quit that job and reported them to ICE which made them clean up their act)
Good for you!
- but they did not pay taxes always putting 6 or more dependants on their W2's keeping them from paying state and federal taxes and then claim taxes at the end of the year with a different SSN number.
Wow, you must have helped them prepare their taxes if you saw all that…did you watch them shower too?
- I also saw them voting on same day voter registration.
So you must have lived in the exact same area they did to have the same voting place, known 100 percent they were illegal, been right behind them in line to hear exactly what they were doing (behind each and every one of them), and failed to report a FELONY.
- we need an ID system and make employers do background checks.
How would that prevent you from making up more stories?
-Its not about liberals or conservatives, its about the law!
lopo Nov 21, 9:10 a.m.
I onced worked in a plant that knowing hired illegals, (I quit that job and reported them to ICE which made them clean up their act) but they did not pay taxes always putting 6 or more dependants on their W2's keeping them from paying state and federal taxes and then claim taxes at the end of the year with a different SSN number. Not all of them did this but a lot did.
I also saw them voting on same day voter registration. we need an ID system and make employers do background checks.
Its not about liberals or conservatives, its about the law!
katewinslet90210 Nov 21, 8:47 a.m.
Jeez - so many narrow-minded people. How is this a partisan story? A CRIME IS A CRIME and this is a credit enacted a long time ago with bipartisan support.
Also, this topic has been tackled multiple times before. Googling reveals this topic is was widely covered in May and debates ensued across all sorts of media and websites. Also included - GOOD solutions to the fraud which focus on EVERYONE not just a particular segment. Because, it is possible for any one - not just "illegals" to do this fraud. This is why this story is so divisive and generating hateful comments.
The inaccuracy in this article is annoying - Here is a link to the IRS publication for the 2011 tax return. http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p972.pdf THE QUALIFYING CHILD NEEDS TO BE A CITIZEN, NATIONAL OR US RESIDENT.
Bizarre Kidnapping restriction applies. So this is already in place. For the article to say it is not is wrong.
Yes making it a deduction will help. But making it available only to US citizens is not g
WooHoo2You Nov 21, 8:09 a.m.
-Obama gave all the illegals in this country Amnesty....remember.
No….he gave only the ones that were brought here as children, with no criminal record, and who had either graduated high school or served in the military amnesty. That is a very SMALL group nowhere close to “all.”
-They are a legal as we are.
No….they have TEMPORARY work permits ONLY.
- They don't pay taxes but they have figured out how to cheat citizens who do pay taxes.
Who is “they?” You realize Americans cheat on their taxes too???? I bet you claim all sorts of ‘donations’ that never happened and do side work under the table….but that’s different right....
- Problem is, no way to presecute any of them....just deport them.
Huh? Dude you are BEYOND CLUELESS!!!!!
WooHoo2You Nov 21, 8:03 a.m.
According to Liberals this stuff just never happens and anyone who says it does is a giant racist.-Ripcord
You putting “according to” at the beginning of a sentence does not make something true.
timtooltime777 Nov 20, 7:54 p.m.
well Mc croy, get to work, cut my taxes and go after the illegalls !
storchheim Nov 20, 7:51 p.m.
WAIT!!! If we go to the FairTax or flat tax, who will collect the TAX --- oops, I mean penalty ---- levied against those who defy the Ruler's edict to buy private health insurance?
More to the point, how would He ever know who had disobeyed?
Forget it. There's no control in a flat or fair tax. They won't let it happen.
lessismore Nov 20, 7:47 p.m.
You voted for him....the prince of fools.......the end of America. It's all crumbling down and anyone that criticizes Obama is called a racist. Unbelievable.....
dontstopnow Nov 20, 7:26 p.m.
Wonderful. Now they have figured out how to get even more tax dollars at the expense of legal residents. This is the height of incompetence in our government to allow this to go unnoticed so long.
Crumps Br0ther Nov 20, 7:19 p.m.
How you want to spin this one libs? They are breaking the law what don't you understand about that? How can you defend it?
Ripcord Nov 20, 7:11 p.m.
According to Liberals this stuff just never happens and anyone who says it does is a giant racist.
lessismore Nov 20, 7:05 p.m.
They all claim each other....sons claim mother, father, brothers, sisters.......father claims wife, son, mother, cousins, dogs, cats..... It's crazy...our government is incompetent to not see what is happening.
lessismore Nov 20, 7:03 p.m.
mep has the answer.....do away with the state and federal income taxes. Put a massive federal and state sales tax on everthing.....everyone pays....no one files an income tax return. See how long the illegals stick around.
lessismore Nov 20, 7:01 p.m.
Obama gave all the illegals in this country Amnesty....remember. They are a legal as we are. They don't pay taxes but they have figured out how to cheat citizens who do pay taxes. Problem is, no way to presecute any of them....just deport them.
changedmyname Nov 20, 6:55 p.m.
They are not just claiming children, they are claiming mother, father, mothers father's father, sister and brother, niece and nephew, aunt and uncle. So are claiming the same people that their relatives are claiming.
They are given citizenship with illegal spouses, they have companies. They hire other illegals to work for them.
How do I know? I live right beside them. They tell me they pay their taxes, no they don't they file their taxes. They don't pay.
Save It Nov 20, 6:48 p.m.
"no more mortgage interest, no more charitable deductions"
Ya, good luck with that.
Screw WrAl Nov 20, 6:46 p.m.
can't do that, the naacp will protest and cry racisim.
Save It Nov 20, 6:46 p.m.
"eliminate the child tax credit for non-citizens".
And there you have it. Was that so hard?
rachel Nov 20, 6:35 p.m.
CrewMax Nov 20, 6:34 p.m.
...not for the faint of heart.
rachel Nov 20, 6:33 p.m.
amazing-and the politians cater to get the votes of these people and we don't even ask for id and we give away in state tuition and free education, health care and school lunches and on and on- so what is the great reward for doing things the right way and legally? You get to pay out more to "help" more of these people-no wonder more people are throwing in the towel and living off the dole- you sure don't get anywhere playing it by the straight and narrow
MC90 Nov 20, 6:32 p.m.
Earned income credit and the head of household filing status are sources of untold amounts of fraud and abuse. Eliminate the earned income credit, the head of household filing status, and the child tax credit and the additional child tax credit. No one should get paid for having children.
CrewMax Nov 20, 6:30 p.m.
""The dems encourage them to come here by promising them benefits... http://www.welcometousa.gov/Government_benefits/default.htm"
Those benefits are clearly targeted at citizens and legal immigrants. Hence, the reference to "depending on your immigration status..."."
That would be nice, except it is practically illegal to ask one their status. Why, you can't even verify that they are a legal citizen to vote. Where have you been?
rachel Nov 20, 6:29 p.m.
an easy trick illegals do-name their kids born here the same name as themselves and then get a social security card- viola- instant card in your name-
wiz Nov 20, 6:29 p.m.
I have no use for thieves...The 'Illegals' are a major problem....But it seems that there is very little enforcement to the problem...Sure, they (Gov) will scold a few for show, but that ain't good enough...Personally, I have no trust in our leaders in combating this problem, & a host of other problems we face...They only care about themselves & the all mighty dollar...The honest working man, & women, does not have a say so...or a chance...
outdoor592000 Nov 20, 6:28 p.m.
Bring the troops home, put them on the borders, change the law so if born here and parents are illegal, no more automatic citizenship, and make English the official language..........no more pressing 2 for Spanish. If we don't wisen up, it will be press 2 for English.
mep Nov 20, 6:28 p.m.
I'd prefer a flat national sales tax on everything except absolute necessity items... and items with a maximum sale price. ($200 Nike shoes would not be considered necessities) But given the Democrats, liberals, and a whole LOT of special interest groups... keep the current tax system and do away with all personal deductions. What you earn, you pay tax on based on MUCH lower brackets. PERIOD. No more child tax credits, no more mortgage interest, no more charitable deductions. (see how "charitable" people really are) My guess is PBS would go bankrupt. LOL.
CrewMax Nov 20, 6:27 p.m.
"The Fair Tax would fix all of this mess. It would make drug dealers pay taxes. It would make illegals pay. It would make America prosperous!"
Exactly. Open the borders to all, and implement the FairTax. Seriously.
rachel Nov 20, 6:27 p.m.
we shouldn't even need a bill to stop child tax credits for illegals-it should never have been possible or legal in the first place-duh.
driverkid3 Nov 20, 6:26 p.m.
Sumo Vita, I've said it before and will say it again, ILLEGALS DO GET BENEFITS! People in Social Services are NOT allowed to ask for proof that the person is legal or not. Right now, this state and this country is rewarding these illegals for sneaking in here with all these goodies, and people here are denied. It's past time for it to stop!
sthiggs Nov 20, 6:23 p.m.
I don't think we would need border fences if illegals children were not allowed to be automatic citizens. This is why they flock here.
storchheim Nov 20, 6:21 p.m.
The FairTax would also allow you to control (up to a point) your own tax liability by yourself. You are taxed once at the retail POP (iirc, correct me if not).
That means it makes even more sense to reuse, recycle, and buy used when it will do. We're making progress as a nation at paying personal CC debt; we might voluntarily reduce consumption even more knowing the purchase is tax-free. Keep the demand for raw materials used and toxic waste created in the mfg process low, reduce the volume of goods transported, further reducing the demand for gasoline.
It may not solve all problems but it would allow us some breathing room, and maybe develop healthier spending habits.
jetset Nov 20, 6:17 p.m.
I pray something is done. If we want this nation to financially survive, our government MUST tighten their reins on fraud and every thing that is illegial. I do believe we are the most " giveaway" country in the whole world. Our country will NOT survuve if we continue on this path of financial irresponsibility.
whatelseisnew Nov 20, 6:14 p.m.
" Cut out all dependent tax credits for non-citizens. Only the worker should receive any tax credit."
This is why doing what Romney wanted to do made more sense. Get rid of ALL the tax credits and lower the rates. That would stop this kind of fraud and eliminate the millions that get thousands of dollars back above the total amount they paid in. Essentially the Government is stealing from American citizens and giving the money to illegals. But for Obama and others these are very cheap votes. It does not get any cheaper than using other people's money to buy the Presidency, Seats in Congress and in the House of Reps.
whatelseisnew Nov 20, 6:11 p.m.
JUst one more reason why the borders need to be secured and these criminals (all of them that entered illegally) must be located and removed from the country. take a DNA sample, if they return then the penalty is life in prison. You will not have to lock up very many before the word gets out and this nonsense stops. Going back and including Reagan, he and the Presidents that followed committed treason. Congress was culpable along with the Presidents. I wonder how many millions of illegals voted for Obama. Romney probably got some of those votes, but not many.
driverkid3 Nov 20, 6:08 p.m.
But they only want a decent life for their kids, that's all I hear. Now this comes out, that the illegals are ripping us off left and right, STEALING from us again and again, and again. To think there are still people that want to protect them is stunning to me.
outdoor592000 Nov 20, 6:05 p.m.
Too bad our brilliant politicians don't think with such common sense as the lady.
If the shoe fits.... Nov 20, 6:04 p.m.
No wonder this country is in such terrible debt. Cut out all dependent tax credits for non-citizens. Only the worker should receive any tax credit. If the worker has a non-working spouse and/or children here, send them back home - they are ILLEGAL.
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03