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  • piene2 Nov 21, 2012

    " Why hasn't a follow-up story been posted?
    LonnieD"

    You are kidding us right? There will be no followup story. There never is a followup story when a cop goes overboard and kills someone.

  • LonnieD Nov 21, 2012

    Have they identified the driver yet? What was he presumed guilty of? I wonder if it was a capital crime. I really doubt it. Why hasn't a follow-up story been posted?

  • BEACH Nov 20, 2012

    Well at least troopers will stop and help you most of the time, on my way home yesterday a little boy had fell off his bike and got hurt, I turned around & came back cause he was laying on the grass, his brother was beside him. A CUMBERLAND CO DEPUTY STOPPED said does he need medical att, I said No I do not think so and he gets in his car and drives off, leavingme stanging beside the boy on the ground. He could have helped him up and offered to take him home which is what I did. A NC STATE TROOPER would have helped there is no doubt in my mine. SO THANKS FOR WHAT YOU DO DAILY.

  • umpcop Nov 20, 2012

    The police department I worked for in Florida put an end to police pursuits and in the three years it was in effect, not one person caused me to chase them. Our department put the policy into effect when a couple on their honeymoon was killed by a guy who was running from the police because he had not insurance. Two people killed, the driver to the hospital then to jail for 15 yrs. Police department sued. I'm telling you out there, if your mother, father, sister, child, brother, best friend was killed because of police officers chasing someone in a 2000 lbs. vehicle because of a minor traffic violation, you would think differently.

    I will admit, it's a catch 22 situation, they don't chase the guy and he's drunk, hits someone and kills them, then the police are criticized for not catching him/her. But I would rather error on the side that after the police stop the chase; the person will slow down and try to blend into the traffic.

  • wral suks bauls Nov 20, 2012

    I love all the ignorant people saying "high speed chases must stop". Hmm.. if you could avoid every ticket, traffic stop, or checkpoint by merely running.... how many MORE people do you think would? Many people running are driving with no license, insurance, etc. Many felons, wanted folks, the list goes on and on.

    Cops deal with pathetic pay and with the biggest scum on the earth. You have to work with the cards you're dealt

  • HarleyMan66 Nov 20, 2012

    Their lives were put at stake too when the driver decided to elude the checkpoint and speed at 140 mph. Instead of asking why did they chase why not ask why didn't the drive just pull over???????? Justwondering

    No, the troopers lives were put at stake when they decided to chase a man for turning around to aviod a checkpoint.

  • charmcclainlovesdogs2 Nov 20, 2012

    Many officers speed unnecessarily when they should absolutely should not be doing so. You see it all the time.

  • charmcclainlovesdogs2 Nov 20, 2012

    Even though the criminals took off at a high speed, maybe the officers should have back off some, call ahead, put some of those pikes out. Try getting a license tag No. because you can always go later and arrest the criminal. Think of the ordinary innocent citizen YOU officer that you may encounter while YOU are speeding too.

  • charmcclainlovesdogs2 Nov 20, 2012

    If one officer driving down the road cannot stop me just to see what I'm doing, then why is it okay for 12 or 15 officers to stop me in a "safety check point?"

    You just need to learn to OBEY THE LAW. But I do get your point.

  • umpcop Nov 20, 2012

    I am not attacking the officer's involved, I was one of those guys, and I know what they go through. If this guy had not run and he was arrested for DUI, he would get a fine, community service, probation, etc... Not the death penalty. Yes, he make a choice to run from the police, but if he had busted a red-light or stop sign running from the police and crashed into one of your family members you would be grieving. And there is no guarantee that the person running from the police would slow down, but there is a chance he would have after the police were out of his site. I feel that these check points are a violation of our constitutional rights. The constitution says that we are secure in our person or property, that the police or law enforcement must have reasonable suspicion to stop us when we are driving our car. If one officer driving down the road cannot stop me just to see what I'm doing, then why is it okay for 12 or 15 officers to stop me in a "safety check point?"

  • charmcclainlovesdogs2 Nov 20, 2012

    We need more troopers like these two. Glad they were there. It just don't pay to try and out run the law. Its no use. Just pull over and allow the officer to explain what you was doing wrong. Then go from there. Sometimes its just a tail light out. High speeding in this case costed a life. It was not worth it at all. May others learn from this tragedy.

  • jtavolacci Nov 20, 2012

    These High Speed Chases MUST STOP! The Public is at risk... 140 MPH speeds are insane... How many lives must be lost due to these chases, these 3 people in the moving van can have easily been killed as well.... END OF DISCUSSION!

  • Runt over again Nov 20, 2012

    This did not have to happen and the troopers are part of the blame in this situation. If they had not pursued it is all speculation as to what would have happened but since they did pursue now there is a man dead. I hope they really enjoyed the rush of adrenaline they got while instigating the death of this man. Drunk or not the man did not have to die for turning around. He made a bad choice but the troopers were supposedly sober and they made a bad choice too!

  • Bartmeister Nov 20, 2012

    I forgot to mention, the family of the deceased will probably also lawyer up. We, the taxpayers, will be on the hook for that settlement as well. KermitDFrog

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    Tis the society we live in. Doesn't make it right, but running from the law isn't right either. Come to think of it, spilling hot coffee and burning yourself doesn't seem right to sue either but it happens. As far a a ticket posthumously? Dude they couldn't even identify the body. But when they did, they ought to send the surviving family a bill for the extra gas it took to chase the guy down. Does that make you happy?

  • KermitDFrog Nov 20, 2012

    I forgot to mention, the family of the deceased will probably also lawyer up. We, the taxpayers, will be on the hook for that settlement as well.

  • Hans Nov 20, 2012

    Pretty sad all these people supporting the SHP. We need more Jesus in our lives.

  • calsnana6 Nov 20, 2012

    Thanks the guys from Durham SHP for all you do!

  • KermitDFrog Nov 20, 2012

    So we destroyed a truck and two cars. The driver of the fast car died. The two survivors will probably lawyer up and sue the state (taxpayers on the hook for the settlement). Did the SHP ticket the driver posthumously? I hope the driver of the car was a horrible menace to society or wanted for horrible crimes.

  • n4cer Nov 20, 2012

    vinylcarwraps23 that has happend before where they stayed on scene and posed as the owner and when the owner came home the house was cleaned out.

  • Brian Jenkins Nov 20, 2012

    Carwrap,

    Actually we have at war for over 10 years and approx. 10,000 soldiers have bern killed. Over the same time over 100,000 people have been killed by drunk drivers. Yes its a big problem.
    ASU
    November 20, 2012 12:08 p.m.
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    You said IN THE US. We had 10K soldiers die on US soil? WHen? Where? What in the world.

  • ASU Nov 20, 2012

    State Troopers are trained in high speeds chases more than any other police agency in North Carolina

  • JustOneGodLessThanU Nov 20, 2012

    @ASU said, "Over [10 years] over 100,000 people have been killed by drunk drivers. Yes its a big problem."

    4.5 million people have been killed by cigarettes in the same period...including 3,000 children who start smoking every day...and tens of thousands who weren't even smokers - just exposed to it.

    With 45 times the number of deaths as DWI, and DWI is a "big problem", what level of problem does that make tobacco? Ultra-Super-Extreme-Giant problem? Why is this ok? Or is it?

  • Gork Nov 20, 2012

    I don't think judgement on this whole incident is fair until we know why they chased the guy. Please don't tell me they drove 140 mph on public highways simply because he turned around to avoid a checkpoint? Are you kidding?

  • dontstopnow Nov 20, 2012

    140 miles per hour! Geesh what a crazy move. I don't really agree with the high speed chase because they have radios and troopers that could have picked that car up down the road instead with a different outcome. Why not station troops around within a mile of a checkpoint for such things as people turning around and fleeing? Come on boys, more than one way to get it done.

  • Tarheel born Nov 20, 2012

    I know for me when i see blue lights i pull over and stop. I dont think to myself "oh, blue lights... They forcing me to run from them!" Please!" - GETOUT

    Im glad you trust these public officers so much. When I see blue lights I look for a well lit area and if possible a public area to pull over. I dont trust any of them just like they dont trust any of us when they are on duty. GETIT?
    vinylcarwraps23

    The black helos are overhead too.

  • Tarheel born Nov 20, 2012

    What is the average IQ of you people?
    vinylcarwraps23

    For the most part higher than yours.......

  • ASU Nov 20, 2012

    Carwrap,

    Actually we have at war for over 10 years and approx. 10,000 soldiers have bern killed. Over the same time over 100,000 people have been killed by drunk drivers. Yes its a big problem.

  • btneast Nov 20, 2012

    The highway patrol gets into hundreds of high speed chases a year.

    Exactly. It is also why they have high horsepower motors and performance handling packages, so they can catch a runner faster, and hopefully eliminate the high speed chase sooner. You cannot let speeders and DWI drivers run loose, so not chasing them down is NOT an option. The death rate by car crashes would soar....far more people would be killed from them than by the very rare high speed chase death.

  • Bartmeister Nov 20, 2012

    I thought you had the right to turn around from a check point without penalty.
    BigUNCFan

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    Hahaha, can I get a do over? I'm sure you could if you wern't intoxicated. Doesn't mean they won't come after ya to see why you turned around.

  • Brian Jenkins Nov 20, 2012

    Drunk drivers are a bug problem in the US and kill 10,000 people on the average.
    ASU
    November 20, 2012 11:45 a.m.
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    And how many do terrorist kill in the US? What do we spend more on preventing? Awake yet?

  • ASU Nov 20, 2012

    The highway patrol gets into hundreds of high speed chases a year.

  • ASU Nov 20, 2012

    Drunk drivers are a bug problem in the US and kill 10,000 people on the average.

  • GETOUT Nov 20, 2012

    Any cop bashers wonder why this guy didnt just pull ove when they tried activated blue lights and siren? Was it his legal right to not stop?? At what point does this become an issue pf the suspect just not stopping? What did the shp do to make him not stop??? I know for me when i see blue lights i pull over and stop. I dont think to myself "oh, blue lights... They forcing me to run from them!" Please! And wd43stp123 how do you know everything the suspect did was legal and everything the shp did was illegal?!?! You are laughable! Gotta love these WRAL lawyers! Lol

  • 68_dodge_polara Nov 20, 2012

    "The MOST Aweful thing!!! What if they had killed the truck driver and passenger? What if they had killed YOUR mom? Just before Thanksgiving!!! This madness has to stop!!!"

    Drunk driving stop? good luck there.

  • BigUNCFan Nov 20, 2012

    If you think the driver is drunk, then it is really not smart to engage him in a high speed chase. I am all for getting criminals but sometimes discression is warranted to let a few go in the name of safety.

    Also, to be technical, how did they know he was a criminal? All they know is that he turned around from a checkpoint. I thought in America, you did not have to wait for police at a checkpoint if you wanted to turn around, that was your right.

    Now if he had driven through the checkpoint and been uncooperative and sped off, then that would be another matter.

    Given that he simply exercised his right to go in another direction does not warrant a high speed chase. The cops did not know if the guy had done anything or not.

  • just-wondering Nov 20, 2012

    and I don't remember ever reading a news story about a trooper ending the pursuit. High speed pursuits are, for the most part, not necessary.
    HarleyMan66
    You really think there would be a news story about a trooper ending the pursuit??? I bet it does happen but "we" would never know. And for all of you blaming the LEO, I'm sure they would have prefered the driver just go through the checkpoint and get his ticket or arrested or whatever. Their lives were put at stake too when the driver decided to elude the checkpoint and speed at 140 mph. Instead of asking why did they chase why not ask why didn't the drive just pull over????????

  • kermit60 Nov 20, 2012

    Fortunatly the offender was the only one that died. If the trucks occupants would have died also would there be a justifiable reason to have engaged in the chase. Is it really worth putting innocent people at risk for an unknown violation. Did he turn around to avoid the checkpoint or did he just turn around?

  • BigUNCFan Nov 20, 2012

    I thought you had the right to turn around from a check point without penalty.

  • Blue Devil 2 Nov 20, 2012

    Congrats to the trooper for saving the two men in the truck. Thumbs up to you. :) Prayers for the family of the deceased man in the car.

  • Hans Nov 20, 2012

    "Only the highway patrol would celebrate this event." - veyor

    It is pretty sick, isn't it?

  • Scubagirl Nov 20, 2012

    hope some of you folks NEVER need a trooper to get to you quickly!

    Good job SHP, sorry the one who caused it all lost his life, but at least it was not the innocents.

  • n4cer Nov 20, 2012

    I would love for NC to put a no chase policy in place, because the second they did I would take the plate off my car and drive at least 100mph when ever I wanted and they would not be able to chase to stop me. I understand that at that speed anything can happen but thats my choice to make and LEO's wont be able to do anything about it because they will not have a plate to research to find me. That being said all those against chasing do not complain if this were to happen and pd didn't chase.

  • umpcop Nov 20, 2012

    But, what if the troopers were unable to save the people in the other vehicle, then three people would be dead over a driver who may have been drunk or may have had warrents, or may have ran because his/her diver's lic. was suspended. A death is not worth the risk. I'm sure they had a tag number before the guy took off, they would catch him later, trust me. I was a police officer in Florida for 10 yrs and I used to love a good car chase, but it killing someone worth it. Too many times the person(s) who are killed are not the offenders. It took me a long time to see that. Even if he/she had gotten away, no one's death is worth a triffic violation.

  • just my2cents Nov 20, 2012

    AMEN wcnc.....

  • thepeopleschamp Nov 20, 2012

    "They caused this mess. sure the driver contributed, but who in their right mind, BELIEVING that maybe the driver is intoxicated, would entice him into a HIGH SPEED chase." fredk

    How did the Trooper make this guy turn his steering wheel? How did the Trooper make him press his gas pedal? All the other people that went through the checkpoint had no problems. Blame the person that made the decision to flee, not the ones that simply reacted.

  • btneast Nov 20, 2012

    A moving DWI is a higher risk of death or serious injury than a high speed chase.....doesn't mean that people don't die or get hurt in chases, but you just cannot allow DWI's to stay on the road. Keep in mind that you only hear about the chases that go wrong, never about the many that happen where no one is hurt.

  • wcnc Nov 20, 2012

    What a sad place we are at as a society when we place blame on law enforcement doing their job than on the CRIMINAL who could have prevented this all by going through a lawful checkpoint!

    I don't care what you THINK or FEEL about checkpoints... They are LEGAL and they prevent accidents, injuries and deaths by taking CRIMINALS off the streets.

    When this CRIMINAL decided to avoid the checkpoint, HE CHOSE the outcome.... The Troopers were doing their job and did NOT want this outcome but it was the choice of the CRIMINAL who fled.

    I agree that if LEO's simply let CRIMINALS flee, the same people complaining about the actions of the Troopers would be complaining about the inaction of LEO's... They are just NEVER happy!

  • trekkie13 Nov 20, 2012

    Also, this is not a liberal versus conservative issue. Persons advocating more restraint on extreme high speed chases are not soft on crime but rather trying to exercise a little wisdom and common sense. Nothing good ever seems to come out of these extreme high speed chases.

  • baldchip Nov 20, 2012

    Good job Troopers!!! This dead clown ran for a reason. He did not want to be caught-or he would not have been doing 140+MPH.
    Plain and simple.

    The anti-LEO crowd will be up in arms over this-let them-it's a free country.

    However, in my book, you two guys are HEROS!!!

    God bless you for your efforts.

  • eddybal Nov 20, 2012

    What makes you think that a DUI ticket is what was at stake here? Chances are that drugs, guns, or both would have been surfaced.

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