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  • heisenberg Nov 28, 12:11 p.m.

    Throwing money in the ocean.

  • wcjudge Nov 27, 3:32 p.m.

    To those of you who say 'toll the road' or 'buy the land' you need to be careful what you ask for. Dare County is a 'donor' County ot the State. We send millions of more dollars to Raleigh in Revenue than the State spends on Dare County. Regardless of what figure you quote for the last 30 years we have built more roads, repaired more roads, moved more rock off of mountain roads and plowed more snow off roads outside of Dare County then has been spent in Dare County. We have built your Schools and Government buildings, we have help pay the salareis of tens of thousands of State Employees who work all across the State. Dare County has never complained about these monies spent through out the State. What do you have against this money. Did you complain when the forest fire was fought down east last year or in past years in the Mountains. After the Hurricanes that ravaged the mountains several years ago, did you complain about the Emergency Management money spent in those Counties.

  • uragoner2 Nov 26, 6:36 p.m.

    Make 12 a toll road to pay the repair cost. Leave the rest of the states taxpayers out of this money flusher.

  • bobftodler Nov 23, 11:18 a.m.

    If those that choose to live there want tio stay then they need to pay for the road. The rest of the state should not have to make good on their risky deciscions. Turn it into a park accessible by boat. Keep the ferries going and save the maintenance costs on the Oregan inlet bridge, which will no longer be needed. Let the folks stay in Rodanthe and Salvo if their property wasn't wiped out. But it will be boat access only.

  • djofraleigh Nov 21, 9:45 a.m.

    Let's take the next $30 million, condemn the land and buy it to make it into a state refuge and seashore accessible by boat and some ferry crossing.

  • tarheelzzzz Nov 20, 6:04 p.m.

    It seems the majority of people prefer a bridge, if anything. However, how many politicians actually do what the majority of the people want? It is ridiculous to continue building this road every time a storm comes through, which is quite often, since this area of the state juts out the way it does. Even IF the county made the equivalent in tax dollars, which I highly doubt...is it fair that all of their tax dollars pay for their one road, while the rest of us have to provide taxes for the other 99 counties? I think not. Most of the highway to the beaches have bridges over the intercoastal waterway. It would seem that a permanent "fix" makes much more sense than continuing, storm after storm, repairing this highway. Also, access to this area for the residents and tourists, would be available much sooner than it is now, in times of evacuation. Please, stop wasting North Carolinians tax dollars!!!

  • hp277 Nov 20, 4:27 p.m.

    This is a crazy waste of money. It's like providing flood insurance for buildings in a floodplain and paying to rebuild over and over and over.

    No way does the tax revenue from OBX visitors come close to covering these repair costs. Every driver in NC is subsidizing NC Hwy 12 at the expense of the roads we all use every day.

  • southerntalent Nov 20, 2:48 p.m.

    Let the diehards who choose to live and own business and property in the areas fund it themselves,do not use public funds

  • brotorious Nov 20, 1:08 p.m.

    Time to quit pumping money into this one. Unless you want to change the entire elevation of the island, you are going to have the same problems. Fixing this road is like raking leaves. Everytime you finish, you have to start all over again.

  • whatelseisnew Nov 20, 12:48 p.m.

    Well the good news is, once the oceans rise by eighty feet we will not be fixing this road anymore. thank god for global warming.

  • evansbluecf Nov 20, 12:46 p.m.

    It has to be let go. I don't like the idea of having my tax money going toward keeping that highway open for the handful of businesses and tourists that go to Hatteras. Its no longer worth it.

  • chargernut69 Nov 20, 12:43 p.m.

    Big waste of money ! The only logical way to fix this is to build a raised causeway similar to the one in SC or in FL.... or best yet, just let it return to the ocean.

  • ConservativeVoter Nov 20, 12:37 p.m.

    "It makes no sense that we're having that conversation,” said Dare County Manager Bobby Outten, who says tourists spent more than $877 million in his county last year. Dare County covers 800 square miles, including 391 square miles of land and 409 square miles of water."

    What he didn't say was how much of the $877 million actually goes to Raleigh as tax collections after the accountants get done.

    I bet 2 to 3% at best winds up as tax dollars going back to Raleigh.

    At best $26 million made it's way back to Raleigh.

    That's less than the money needed to reconstruct and maintain NC-12.

  • ConservativeVoter Nov 20, 12:34 p.m.

    Einstein said, "doing the same thing over and over hoping for a different result is insanity".

    Sand bars like the outer banks shift and move around over time.

    Anybody who things they can build buildings and roads on the shifting outer banks and expect to anchor the outer banks in one place is definitely insane.

  • ConservativeVoter Nov 20, 12:32 p.m.

    Concerning the outer banks, the bible says only a fool builds his house on shifting sands.

  • ConservativeVoter Nov 20, 12:32 p.m.

    They need to toll NC-12 and let the businesses and tourists who benefit from the highway pay for it's ongoing maintenance.

    The money spent on NC-12 could have been better spent on NC-540 keeping it from being a toll road.

  • rocket Nov 20, 12:29 p.m.

    If NC doesn't want to maintain the road, lease the land to a private enterprise. I guarantee someone would find a way to make it profitable to maintain the road. The island is too special to be inaccessible. And, no, ferries are not a solution. That wouldn't be any cheaper than maintaining the road and it would cause huge bottle necks, especially in emergency situations.

  • jbyrd Nov 20, 12:26 p.m.

    btneast,

    OK good buddy, how many times has Hyw 12 required replacement due to being washed out to access Kill Devil Hills or Nags Head? NONE that I can find. And as far as my math, just how much of that 877 million is actually collected as tax dollars after it has gone through an accountant's hands and is considered taxable income? A very SMALL percentage...

    The astronomical (relative to what it accomplishes) amount of money spent to keep that Hyw 12 open SOUTH OF OREGON INLET is stupid and wasteful at best......

  • rocket Nov 20, 12:21 p.m.

    Half of those posting comments clearly didn't even read the article. If the island generates more tax revenue than the state spends on the island, road work included, how is it a waste? And it isn't even close. The island brings way more than it costs to fix the road. Taking this into account and after actually reading the article, someone please attempt to argue how this is throwing money away.

  • yesimagirl Nov 20, 12:20 p.m.

    I'd like to see some numbers that support the claim that those on the OBX pay more to the rest of the state than they get back. I'm not saying it's not true...just interested to see the numbers on that.

  • InTheNo Nov 20, 12:05 p.m.

    Preserve the access but time for a change in the way we do it. Different ferries, bridges etc.

  • wildpig777 Nov 20, 11:58 a.m.

    you folks realize that a lot of the "sand dunes" are actually FALSE, espcially on the southern end of hiway 12. those dunes are'nt natural at all in many places. they've merely bulldozed the sand off 12. and nother observation-- those dunes also known as temporary sand barriers don't do a good job at all of holding back storm surge now do they?

    and the insiders say well thats ok jest keep those ole tax dollas rolling in......

  • wildpig777 Nov 20, 11:50 a.m.

    concerning hiway 12-- never have so many taxpayers given so much {tax dollars} to so few {the real estate companies and residents- when they're there!!

    and of course the high utilization users would'nt have it any other way.... heres the deal -- the word is out, the secret is no longer secret-- lot o those barrier island are-- UNSUBSTAINABLE. STOP THROWING TAX DOLLARS AT THE WAVES....

  • mep Nov 20, 11:36 a.m.

    Tolls would be a good solution, given the nature of the kind of travel done in this area. Or perhaps a local tax. Regardless, it is a high risk area that all taxpayers continue to pay for. Place the burden on those that use it.

  • btneast Nov 20, 11:36 a.m.

    Less than 5% of the land in Dare county is part of the outer banks so how much of those tax dollars actually comes from the OB?

    You think tourists spend more money in Manns Harbor and East Lake than they do in Kill Devil Hill and Nags Head? Hahahahaha. By the way, your math on revenues is way off too. Way off. Math was not your strongest subject I am guessing, and apparently finance wasn't either.

  • rushbot Nov 20, 11:34 a.m.

    Make it a toll road like they forced on us with 540.

  • tgentry1005 Nov 20, 11:32 a.m.

    It seems the bridge part of the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel is an example of a structure that can withstand the strong weather so why not build something for Rt. 12 like it across the areas that are prone to storm destruction and be done with it? Maintenance on the bridge should be much less than replacing the road every year.

  • jbyrd Nov 20, 11:24 a.m.

    For those who keep bringing up the 877 million dollars, you need to read the article again. Tousists "spent" 877 million,the state DID NOT get the 877 million, only the taxes on the profits of that amount. More like about 8 million in actual tax revenues which will NOT even pay for one year of keeping Hyw 12 open.

    Oh, and that 877 million was spent in all of Dare county. Less than 5% of the land in Dare county is part of the outer banks so how much of those tax dollars actually comes from the OB? VERY DANG LITTLE. One of the biggest wastes of tax dollars both state and federal in this county.

  • pappybigtuna1 Nov 20, 11:14 a.m.

    this is a perfect example of the DOT & EPA doing nothing but spending money and getting nothing in return

    These 2 groups will hold up, tie up millions of tax payers money, for what?

    Solution: drive south, 1000 miles, you will enter a series of concrete bridges over the Atlantic Ocean/ Gulf of Mexico. One bridge is 7 miles in length, thus The 7 Mile Bridge. This is not a complicated resolve, even for the loggerheads

    (sea turtles).

    If you don't like this idea, lets build a pipeline to the ocean so we can directly dump money into it, this way we could avoid any danger to life and property

  • EvanRude Nov 20, 11:11 a.m.

    Stop the madness, or at least charge a toll to those that choose to visit that area. The beach's natural movement is going to win every time.

  • aspenstreet1717 Nov 20, 10:56 a.m.

    There will always be a beach for vacationers the only question is where? Mother nature wants to move the beach again. It's only the people with expensive property that wants the beach to not move.

  • tayled Nov 20, 10:56 a.m.

    The elevated road is the only answer unless you want to keep doing this every so often. Remember when they moved the Lighthouse? Same principal involved here. Trying to keep up the battle against the ocean by rebuilding where it is, as is, is futile

  • aetius476 Nov 20, 10:52 a.m.

    Whether it's dredging Oregaon inlet repeatedly or repairing Hwy 12 over and over the OBX ARE moving landward! With global warming and rising sea levels, this trend will accelerate.

    Man cannot win or stop the process. Best to set-up a ferry system for homeowners and let the banks move as they were intended...

  • ferdjr Nov 20, 10:47 a.m.

    Federal or state money it is still all OUR tax dollars. One of these days people will wake up and find our creditors running the show.

  • Tizu Nov 20, 10:44 a.m.

    The elevated road / bridge is a great idea, but the tree hugging nut-job environmentalists won't let that happen because a bird may have laid a nest in the area. The issue with that is, nothing is guaranteed to solve the problem. There will always be repairs / washouts, etc. It's practically in the middle of the ocean, nothing you do will make the road permanent.

  • Tug Boat II Nov 20, 10:35 a.m.

    We can no longer afford to throw our money away. Let mother nature have it back. You can't fight Mother Nature and win.

  • irishale Nov 20, 10:35 a.m.

    Ok... "Since 2001, taxpayers have spent more than $100 million"

    and

    "tourists spent more than $877 million in his county last year."

    State sales tax rate: 4.25%. $877,000,000 x 4.25% = $37,272,500 ... in one year. That over 10 years is $372,725,000, but round it down to cover inflation/bad years, so say $330 million. Soo... $330 million minus $100 million is $230 million.

    If you take $1 billion, and divide it over a century, that's $10 million a year... which is about what it averages now.

    Now, I don't know what other things state tax money goes to there, but it looks like they cover the road maintenance. So, in a way, unless you live/own property/vacation in Dare County, you sorta can't say "my tax money" paid for the hwy 12 repairs.

    Of course, I'm an IT geek and not a tax expert or economist, just my $.02 based on the numbers in the article.

  • Glass Half Full Nov 20, 10:21 a.m.

    Let the folks who want to live, work, and/or play on the OBX pay for the privilege. Stop paving roads. It's a sandbar. It's ever changing by it's composition. We can't stop that. The most we can do is alter it somewhat or slow the process temporarily. If an elevated road would have worked, to be sure they would have done that some time ago. I don't believe that's a viable solution either. It's sand. Let it be sand and learn to deal with it as sand. Development of these islands was a bad idea to start with. Personally, I see God laughing every time we rebuild that road. I know if it weren't my tax dollars being spent on it I'd be laughing too.

  • caniacman Nov 20, 10:17 a.m.

    why not make a taller bridge but make it a toll bridge. The Bay Bridge in MD is a toll bridge. That way money is collected to maintain the bridge and those that use it pay for it.

  • Relic Nov 20, 10:15 a.m.

    If the park system wants a road, let them build it if they want to regulate what the state can do. Most of us that fish have 4X4s that can get across the sand when the weather's good anyway. If someone was silly enough to "build their house on sand" as the Scriptures say then I can't feel really bad for them when it falls in. The road is the same.

  • jgilchr Nov 20, 9:57 a.m.

    The truth of it is the OBX is a place that should never have been inhabited as the islands are naturally temporary sandbars. I realize there is no going back so with that in mind engineering an elevated roadway is the only viable solution.

  • jebreb53 Nov 20, 9:54 a.m.

    To try and keep the outer banks so developers can get ever richer is stupid, the middle class of NC are really the ones who end up subsidizing the rich with their hard earned Tax money and higher insurance premiums. Let the property owners, the merchants, and especially the developers pay for ALL repairs needed (after every REAL storm), Quite frankly,ALL the barrier Islands need to be bulldozed,and returned to what God made in the first place....Or, are we smarter than God now?

  • baldchip Nov 20, 9:53 a.m.

    Remember-DC's nature freaks(US Park Service) are ultimately in charge(so much for stste's rights). HOWEVER, 1 year's tax revenue pays for MANY rebuild's. MANY!!

    I like the idea of an elevated road. That could help in many ways. DC could be helped see the light-when they realize how many fed jobs would be lost if we simply closed OBX.

    I agree with the comments on class warfare. Many of you are just into this rich vs the world mentality (Thank you President divider)!! Many would love to own a home there-and just can't. I can't!! Yet, I love the place.

    AS Rodney King said years ago "can't we all just try and get along"??? Excellent question-give and give more-but get along!!

    Happy Thanksgiving!!

  • driverkid3 Nov 20, 9:51 a.m.

    Seems to me that it would be far cheaper for people to move off that island and stop wasting money on building a new highway every so many years. This is insane to keep pouring money into this that could be used better somewhere else.

  • dennis8 Nov 20, 9:50 a.m.

    The state doesn't come close to breaking even on that road. It is definitely flushing badly needed money to subsidize a small number of people. The GOP may not like the fact that sea levels are rising but they should show some good old fashioned fiscal conservative ideals they like to tout and stop wasting my money.

  • wayneboyd Nov 20, 9:49 a.m.

    Give it back to God if He wants it that bad.

  • Gatsby Nov 20, 9:37 a.m.

    A good place for a TOLL BOOTH...

  • btneast Nov 20, 9:29 a.m.

    What most apparently are unaware of is that NPS will not allow the state to do anything other than repair the existing road for now. Building a raised roadway or long bridge is currently being debated amongst the NPS, enviromentalists, locals, NC officials, etc. Getting agreement on what the answer will be is tough. THEN, a myriad of enviromental impact studies have to be done. Everyone would love to see something better/different, but it is not legally feasible today. You just can't decide to build a bridge without going through this process, which has been in motion for years. Until then, unless you want to pay more in state taxes, the road has to be repaired. That area generates too much revenue for the state to let it stay closed.

  • hp277 Nov 20, 9:26 a.m.

    $215 million for the Bonner Bridge replacement

    $213 million for 2 'trouble spots'

    $428 million, plus NCDOT has identified 6 'hot spots' - who knows how much for those?

    How much is too much? Where does it stop? We are throwing tax dollars in the rising ocean while the state has a $50 billion hole in NCDOT's budget over the next 30 years.

    Is this really where we want to spend what could be $1 billion?

  • justiceforall Nov 20, 9:24 a.m.

    Raise the sales tax in those counties, and let the tourist dollars pay for a raised road. Next.

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