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  • oleguy Nov 16, 2012

    When we can no longer borrow the money, and it will happen,, the 47 per cent will be real hungry, and cold and homeless,,,

  • rroadrunner99 Nov 16, 2012

    "Americans for Prosperity said in a statement that North Carolina should refuse to set up an exchange, as other states have done"
    This would probably benefit the poor in NC the most as it would eliminate the good 'ol boy politic's from it.Because the Fed's would then come in and set it up for them.

  • lb27608 Nov 16, 2012

    "Preventative care, prevents NOTHING." - whatelseisnew

    Another patently false and ignorant statement.

    Preventative care is not about discovering conditions that already exist so that additional care is needed. Instead, it's about people receiving ongoing medical evaluations to stop the development of chronic conditions that would require high-cost care in the future. For example: I learned several years ago that I am pre-disposed to heart disease because of my cholesterol. With ongoing preventative care, my doctor and I are working to minimize my chances of actually developing cardiovascular disease.

  • whatelseisnew Nov 16, 2012

    What a shame. This is completely unnecessary and simply adds costs. It would have been much more simple to just allow people to be able to purchase insurance from any provider within the 50 States. That is possible to do now with the presence of the Internet. These exchanges are not necessary and they actually limit choices.

    "Only some of them. My boss provides health insurance and he does just fine. This is probably good though as it will thin the heard and leave the market open to successful business people. "

    Also remember we have to pay much more in taxes when the uninsured end up in emergency rooms than had they had access to preventitive care."

    Yeah you keep on believing that myth. Preventative care, prevents NOTHING. At best it might uncover a condition that is treatable through ADDITIONAL medical activity. The emergency rooms will not see less business, in fact they will likely see more business than ever.

  • RaleighHunts Nov 16, 2012

    while I understand this idea in theory, I highly doubt in practice it will play out that way once the government is running the show... they will find a way to make it so inefficient and bloated as to be just as expensive, sadly.

    "Also remember we have to pay much more in taxes when the uninsured end up in emergency rooms than had they had access to preventitive care."

  • Nov 16, 2012

    "Small businesses will not expand beyond 49 employees"

    Only some of them. My boss provides health insurance and he does just fine. This is probably good though as it will thin the heard and leave the market open to successful business people.

    Also remember we have to pay much more in taxes when the uninsured end up in emergency rooms than had they had access to preventitive care.

  • Nov 16, 2012

    "yeah, because all "employers" are rich people, right???"

    The ones making the biggest stink in the news about giving people decent lives are rich people. Hence the hypocrisy.
    Hence the anger. Hence your crickets.

  • piene2 Nov 16, 2012

    "The state should simply refuse to participate and ignore this terrible law.
    Dat MoFo"

    That would be a good idea that I can get behind. Than the federal government can step in and run things right. I know city governments have been ousted and the running of the city taken over by the state. One can not help but wonder if any state government has ever been ousted and run by the federal government.

  • lessismore Nov 16, 2012

    Small businesses will not expand beyond 49 employees. If they do they must pay insurance for all of them. Some businesses with 55-60-70-75 employees will lay many off to get below the 50 and be exempt from Obama Care mandate. Sad day for America. Ignorant politicians trying to help the poor...but in the end they hurt everyone. Health care fraud will be worse than medicare and medicaid. Health care costs will sky-rocket. The poor will pay nothing, the wealthy will foot the bill - as usual. Those on welfare will soon be living better than those paying the taxes to support them. I suppose that was Obama's plan all along.

  • dollibug Nov 16, 2012

    ****There is no choice. Some clowns that are incapable of understanding the Constitution ruled that ObamaCare is constitutional...

    Do you really think that because something is *constitutional* that everyone actually does what is right???????? What country do you live in??????? In this country....actually no one follows the US Constitutional Rights....Communication and training are 2 things which our country is *lacking a lot of*....and there are a lot of people who do not even understand it to begin with.....people do as they are taught...which is not necessarily right....

  • RaleighHunts Nov 16, 2012

    yeah, because all "employers" are rich people, right??? Newsflash buddy, MOST "employers" have invested their LIVES in their businesses (unlike an employee who can quit away any time he/she feels like it) and are NOT rich, work much harder and longer hours than most of their employees, and are on the hook when the company loses money. So many people don't seem to get that very important fact. Employers are SUPPOSED to make a lot more than their employees, because THEY are the ones taking all the financial risk (and creating the jobs too, by the way). As an employer, Id be HAPPY to pay my employees more if they'd be willing to give their salary back if the company (and I) LOSE money in any given tie period. But yeah, when I mention that, all of the sudden I hear crickets...

    "Maybe the employers should start by cutting their own inflated salaries. You don't want to pay people a living wage, you won't be getting any of my money"

  • Nov 16, 2012

    Maybe the employers should start by cutting their own inflated salaries. You don't care about people, I don't care about you either. You don't want to pay people a living wage, you won't be getting any of my money. This is about more than buying things made in the USA, this is about buying things made in the USA by people who can afford a decent life. Otherwise feel free to buy things made in China. It's the same slave labor.

    "How many employers will simply cut hours below 30 per week rather than pay 60% of the cost of the insurance they have to provide their employees? At least that's what I've heard is the case from one nationally-known food chain, and they're implementing that ver policy next year."

  • Screw WrAl Nov 16, 2012

    "NO OBAMACARE!"

    Too late, the 47% and few of their friends said yes. It's ours now. State leaders should have spoken much louder before now. I hope they all go belly up. That's exactly what they deserve for standing around and doing nothing.

  • mep Nov 16, 2012

    If a state refuses to set up an exchange the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services will, but there will be no subsidies. The states that do participate will have to bear 10% of the financial responsibility for the health care law. But as many governors pointed out, "We don't want to get trapped in something we can't afford and can't be sustained." Because there is absolutely no guarantee that the federal government will have the money to hold up its end of the bargain in states every year. That opens up these governors to huge liabilities in the future. If Washington runs out of ways to finance its 90% share of the exchange, then it will simply transfer the burden to states. And once you're in--you're in. Governors who agree now are permanently putting their states on the hook for the 2,700-page law and the thousands of regulations issued by HHS in the years to come. NO OBAMACARE!

  • Screw WrAl Nov 16, 2012

    Hey did you guys know that the jobless claims for this month were almost a half of a million?

    Of course you didn't. WRAL has yet to tell you about it.

  • Dat MoFo Nov 15, 2012

    The state should simply refuse to participate and ignore this terrible law. 2500 pages in this law and nobody has read all of it yet the democrats still voted to pass it.

  • RowdyFriend Nov 15, 2012

    How many employers will simply cut hours below 30 per week rather than pay 60% of the cost of the insurance they have to provide their employees? At least that's what I've heard is the case from one nationally-known food chain, and they're implementing that ver policy next year.

  • Plenty Coups Nov 15, 2012

    "It seems to me both Perdue and McCrory are behaving better than the General Assembly leadership"

    I agree, and it has me worried. McCrory seems to be open minded while the General Assembly has a whole lot of ideologues.

  • piene2 Nov 15, 2012

    Good job! How many more states need to get on board? Time is a wasting.

  • wildpig777 Nov 15, 2012

    look for perdue to receive her reward with the obama adminastration-- even though she failed miserably {as usual} to deliver nc to obama.

  • SaveEnergyMan Nov 15, 2012

    I'm no Perdue fan either, but I also read in the article that she consulted with McCrory regarding the plan and made a decision that allowed the state to recover some of the costs. She is still governor and is still allowed to make decisions like this until Mr. McCrory puts his hand on the Bible for the oath of office. It seems to me both Perdue and McCrory are behaving better than the General Assembly leadership. Maybe it will rub off on the legislature and there will be hope for the next 4 years.

  • storchheim Nov 15, 2012

    I'm no Perdue fan, but noted a couple of things:

    1. The plan can be changed to all-fed or all-state later.

    2. NC may qualify (note: may) for $74 million in grants; the all-state would have cost us $40 million.

    Was it arrogant of her to take that choice away? IMO, yes. Gov. Elect McCrory behaved with impeccable class.

  • free2bme Nov 15, 2012

    This GOP controlled NC legislature is likely going to be a problem for the citizens of NC. They are more concerned with their own interests and the people really don't matter. Obamacare is law of the land now and hopefully a plan in the interest of the people can be constructed. For all of the whiners who think Obama gives out freebies. Get over it. Obamacare is requiring some responsibility on the individual's part and people are paying for their own health care. Come back to reality nothing in this life is free. Stop blaming President Obama for all the problems in this world. I think majority of the Americans agree that he has done a great job thus far dealing with this inherited economic mess. It is just sad, I wish people would focus on and work toward solutions instead of dwelling on all the negativity.

  • dollibug Nov 15, 2012

    Surely there are not people who truly believe that the government is capable of doing anything that will benefit the majority of the people.....that is NOT how it works.....perhaps the people in WASHINGTON should be forced also to not only ENFORCE THE LAWS but TO ALSO USE THE SAME ONES THAT ARE APPROVED FOR THE REST OF AMERICA.....perhaps then things might get better for all of us.

  • whatelseisnew Nov 15, 2012

    "NC is a MESS....and now they are going to make it a BIGGER MESS"

    There is no choice. Some clowns that are incapable of understanding the Constitution ruled that ObamaCare is constitutional. Our last chance at getting this mess fixed disappeared when Obama got re-elected.

  • whatelseisnew Nov 15, 2012

    "I think we should go ahead and give it to the Feds...they do such a great job at everything else they run..."

    I am thinking we should get the same people operating the Government run Long Island Power Authority to operate the Insurance exchanges. You will get to enjoy very high insurance costs and at the same time you will receive lousy coverage.

    It is interesting watching private companies take the necessary actions to protect themselves from this insanity.

  • Screw WrAl Nov 15, 2012

    Is Bev really lying and saying she didn't have time so now they have to do it as a combo market?

    What the ..., did she think it wasn't going to happen? That the inept among us weren't going to re-elect him for more of their 47% freebies?

    We're still waiting for wral to report today's jobless numbers, is that not a cocnern for you people? Here it is, why wait, almost HALF A MILLION and the markets have lost over 700 pts. since the freebie Prez got re-elected.

    She is as pitiful as they come.

  • whatelseisnew Nov 15, 2012

    All this is part of the additional HIDDEN cost of health care. I certainly hope this State is not dumb enough to sign up for the expansion to Medicaid. It would be great if there was a way for the State to completely turn Medicaid BACK to the Federal Government. States never should have been foolish enough to get sucked into that mess.

  • NCKen Nov 15, 2012

    No, no, no...this is a classic lame duck decision by an outgoing governor and should be rebuffed by the legislature and the incoming governor. To thwart the implementation of ObamaCare, the state shouldn't be part of any program to set up an insurance exchange. Otherwise, our state will be complicit in a vast expansion of federal entitlement programs, and with it, a vast expansion of the debt burden. In addition to being the conduit for direct subsidies for purchasing health insurance, an exchange which is created under this law will trigger the ability of the federal government to impose employer penalties, up to $3,000 per employee, if the employer doesn't provide adequate and affordable health insurance to his or her employees. Because the law gives the federal government ultimate power to determine the benefits and other features of health insurance sold on the exchange, it will also bypass the ability of our legislature to make those determinations.

  • ladyblue Nov 15, 2012

    yes and who will pay for this fiasco when the federal government stops sending it's part of funds t NC.. the federal will be weaning off sending out fund from what i understand

  • dollibug Nov 15, 2012

    NC is a MESS....and now they are going to make it a BIGGER MESS....the NC Industrial Commission does not properly review worker's compensation claims....there are provisions in place BUT NO ONE FOLLOWS THEM...and now the Gov thinks they are going to be able to do something with people's insurance...REALLY????? NC, along with our nation, is a HUGE MESS...and it is only going to get worse....the only hope that we will have is that Gov McCrory will make better decisions....I guess, time will tell....maybe.

  • pm2 Nov 15, 2012

    I think we should go ahead and give it to the Feds...they do such a great job at everything else they run...

  • LKG-Lover Nov 15, 2012

    Here it comes, more government control which means more government spending and leads to higher taxes. Just what everyone voted for by re-electing Obama. There were better ways to deal with the health insurance issues than putting big government in the mix.

  • jeffdewitt Nov 15, 2012

    Hopefully Governor McCrory will pull the plug on yet another bad decision by Perdue. North Carolina should do everything it can to fight ObamaCare.

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