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  • driverkid3 Nov 16, 2:15 p.m.

    storchheim::::Now that the safety net is in place, and we have essentially free education and training for anyone who wants it

    No, it is NOT free, someone is paying for it somewhere. I don't understand how it's so easy for some to forget that.

  • driverkid3 Nov 16, 2:10 p.m.

    ryderted::::It means working 80 hours a week for peanuts with no healthcare or benefits and little care for worker safety. You know like our great, great, great grandfathers did.

    I worked public jobs from the late 60's to 1998, rest of my work time was on farms. Never, EVER have I worked a job with a union controlling things. I was never mistreated by any boss except for one time, and he got a pastrami sandwich, funyums and soda thrown in his face for that. I STILL made great money on that job and would be doing it now if I could. Unions have absolutely NOTHING to offer me.

  • itsyoureternalsoul Nov 16, 2:05 p.m.

    When you have not worked in six months, you hope for death. I am noticing RM does not have a chicken plant you can work in.

  • driverkid3 Nov 16, 12:30 p.m.

    TJPC::::cut the workers pay by 8% and cut their benefits by almost 20%. What are they supposed to do? Say thank you and continue to work? Is that really what YOU would do in the same situation.

    I'd go to work and keep the job in order to put food on the table. This is just stupid all the way around. If I had a business and was looking to hire people, these folks would NOT be people I would hire. Some of you act like the people that own the business have no right to earn a profit. They DO. The people that worked here gave up jobs that a lot of people would love to have just to be able to eat and pay some bills. I wonder what was going through their minds when they agreed to this.

  • Katupatree Nov 16, 11:31 a.m.

    Uh, I don't think one can collect unemployment if you are out of work because of a strike. One of the downsides of a union. Used to be the Union would pay workers a small stipend but I doubt that is happening any more. But what other weapon do workers have?
    Besides do you really think Welfare, Food Stamps, Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security ran up the national debt?
    And Medicare and Social Security are not "entitlement programs", they are earned benefits. If you are old enough to work, you are paying into it. I know its a precarious situation for younger workers, and that's not right, but if you've worked 40 years, you've earned it.

  • seenbetterdaze Nov 16, 10:39 a.m.

    How long do these people think they can collect Unemployment checks when America is at the very edge of the Debt cliff? The Rats in the Fed. Gov. have overspent to the point of Complete Economic Crash/Failure/Bankruptcy. Elections have consequences and we are about to find out the hard way. Class warfare, TAX the RICH, is just plain DUMB...if Obam took every cent from the Rich, it would not last 3 months. The Actual DEBT of the USA today is hundreds of TRILLIONS of dollars in UN Funded entitlements, such as Unemployment, Welfare,Food Stmps, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and now Obamacare.

  • superman Nov 16, 10:20 a.m.

    Their items have gotten so expensive I dont buy them anymore. There is no much difference in the taste of bread. I am very comfortable with the store brand. Sometimes it is wise to be thankful for what you have and not worry about what you dont have. The plant will close and they will have nothing. That has become the American way. If they cant have what they want they prefer to having nothing.

  • rocket Nov 16, 10:17 a.m.

    Socialism is not business friendly.

  • pedsrndad Nov 16, 10:14 a.m.

    So the Union won the battle over not allowing its members to work without a wage/benefit package that suited them but lost the war and jobs for many of its members? Who won in this scenario? Nobody! Thanks Union, from all the newly unemployed. This message courtesy of a non-union employed person.

  • tarheelfan41 Nov 16, 9:25 a.m.

    Grupo Bmbo or another baking conglomerate will buy them. Twinkies and Wonder Bread have high brand recognition and are worth serious money.joeBob
    Do you think they'll purchase the union contract? Hire the same employees at the new company? Employee the same number that lost their jobs?

  • tarheelfan41 Nov 16, 9:23 a.m.

    ESPN's Mike and Mike are now playing the game "What is Mike saying, while his mouth is stuffed full of twinkies!"

  • joeBob Nov 16, 9:11 a.m.

    Grupo Bmbo or another baking conglomerate will buy them. Twinkies and Wonder Bread have high brand recognition and are worth serious money.

  • TWAL Nov 16, 9:00 a.m.

    My question to these employees is what have you done to make this a better company. Why would you join a union that has left you jobless? If you didn't like your job why did you stay? Oh because they paid your bills and supported your family! I work for a great company that will not tolerate a union running its operations over 1500 people. Yes our insurance is $100.00/wk for family plan. It was $45.00/wk. They cut out retirement benefits in tough times. As an employee its my job to help this company survive and be a profitable business. If they close today,they owe me nothing. They supported my family over 25yrs. I thank them for giving me a job while they could!

  • Sherlock Nov 16, 8:53 a.m.

    Yes, they need to shut it down,and put theses individuals out of jobs, these individuals can go to the unemployment lines for 26 weeks and theen wait to find jobs just like the others. Because of strikes likes these is th ereason that made in America is going South and West. I do not feel sorry for these individuals they could have waited until the encomany is better.

  • Crumps Br0ther Nov 16, 8:33 a.m.

    Wgere are all the illegals when you need them!? I thought they would do the jobs Americans would not do. Put some more lanes at the boarder crossings we need more cheap labor!!!
    tarheelfan41

    Barry won, they dont have to work at all now

  • tarheelfan41 Nov 16, 8:26 a.m.

    Someone needs to share this article with Raley's Supermarkets. They went on strike Sunday.

  • Country Girlz Have MORE fun Nov 16, 8:22 a.m.

    Stock up on your twinkies NOW.

  • br549znc Nov 16, 8:20 a.m.

    Yes, they are history.

  • tarheelfan41 Nov 16, 8:09 a.m.

    Wgere are all the illegals when you need them!? I thought they would do the jobs Americans would not do. Put some more lanes at the boarder crossings we need more cheap labor!!!

  • tarheelfan41 Nov 16, 8:07 a.m.

    They are talking about Twinkies on ESPN's Mike and Mike! LOL Saying its a sad day!

  • tarheelfan41 Nov 16, 8:06 a.m.

    It was not a bluff they are closing.

    Here's my take. The best time to find a job is when you have a job. If wages and benefits were too low, go out and look until you find a better job. If you cannot find a higher paying job with better benefits with skill set you better keep the job you have, Go to night school or something to improve your skill set. Many people would have rather been working there making SOMETHING until they could find a better paying job!

    LOL they are talking about Twinkies on ESP

  • Crumps Br0ther Nov 16, 8:05 a.m.

    So you would take a pay cut because a company can't manage its money and files chapter 11 like its going out of style...and be "HAPPY" about it???? You would be union so fast it would amaze you.
    WooHoo2You

    You realize the Post Office is unionized by the NALC. And the post office is bleeding money. What were you saying about managing money? Your beloved government has failed again

  • foghat001 Nov 16, 8:03 a.m.

    WooHoo2You - since many many many many many workers and companies have cut pay and pensions and NOBODY went union in the wake of those actions, your viewpoint is a little off, to the say the least.

    Now, Hostess is filing for bankruptcy. They will sell/move their base to Mexico or Canada, probably, under a new name, and this union will have done nothing but close 36 factories and render their members unemployed, while sending their jobs elsewhere.

    Good job.

  • dontstopnow Nov 15, 7:57 p.m.

    I guess the owners feel it is better to shut down and get out with what little they can salvage for their own future and can't say that I blame them. Unions are only people that talk for you and charge you money to do so. Thanks but no thanks for me. Just not my way of working.

  • unc70 Nov 15, 7:55 p.m.

    Union workers at Hostess already made multiple rounds of "give backs" to keep the company afloat. Management responses included not making agreed upon payments to agreed upon pension that were already underfunded.

  • WooHoo2You Nov 15, 7:53 p.m.

    How stupid can the workers be, no job no money. They should not be able to draw unemployment by doing this. Should be happy they have a job.- alshomes

    So you would take a pay cut because a company can't manage its money and files chapter 11 like its going out of style...and be "HAPPY" about it???? You would be union so fast it would amaze you.

  • noel Nov 15, 7:49 p.m.

    Seriously, do these striking workers not realize how many people have taking pay and benefit cuts in recent years. I had my salary cut by 15% and have had nothing added to my pension since 2006! The cost of my healthcare benefits have increased like most employees. Many companies no longer offer pension benefits period. The days of employers providing these things is dwindling fast. They better wake up and smell the cupcakes. Some income is certainly better than none. IF they can draw unemployment benefits it certainly isn't going to come with healthcare and full salary. Do they really think this is their best option? I think maybe they've eaten one too many Twinkies.

  • WooHoo2You Nov 15, 7:47 p.m.

    "I agree completely. CEO pay is outrageous they need to take the pay cut not the workers. We need a maximum wage.

    downtowner"

    I agree with comrade downtowner. Let's also set a maximum house size as well as laws saying who can own luxuries like boats and campers and second homes. My comrades in the former USSR also agree with comrade downtowner.- Dat MoFo

    Actually half the problem with the USSR was the 'elite' kept demanding and getting more and more and the rest of the population got less as a result, comrade. A consumer based economy (like the US) with no CONSUMERS is destined to fail.

  • WooHoo2You Nov 15, 7:43 p.m.

    Let me guess, Linens and Things was Obama's doing too with his top secret time machine...

    WooHoo2You

    Linens and Things was NOT a unionised company. Hostess has asked their employees to take a pay cut so they can still operate, but the employees would rather not work than to take a pay cut. Linens and Things and Hostess are apples and oranges.- bacchianm

    I was using Linens and Things in jest....notice I also mentioned a TIME MACHINE??? Surprised you did not point out time travel is not possible with current technology....

  • unc70 Nov 15, 7:43 p.m.

    Hostess (AKA International Baking Corp) is the largest bakery by far in the USA. Wonder bread, Merita, the snack brands, and hundreds of other brands. It has been taken over, merged, bankrupted (losing shareholder equity), taken over from within bankruptcy, emerged as a private company again, taken public, looted, loaded with debt, taken into Chapter 11 -- cutting employee pay, benefits, not funding pensions, etc. The financial takeover "experts" have failed repeatedly over the last 20+ years in various forms.

    The largest owner, loan source refuses to invest further without grinding down the employees one more time. A dangerous game of "chicken" for all involved. It is an ongoing mess with the regional baking companies that have been acquired over the years not easily integrated into some super-sized baking operation like has been done with the snack foods. Preservatives in bread makes it taste funny.

    So dump the union bashing. Problems to go around.

  • alshomes Nov 15, 7:42 p.m.

    How stupid can the workers be, no job no money. They should not be able to draw unemployment by doing this. Should be happy they have a job.

  • Screw WrAl Nov 15, 7:39 p.m.

    no, but workers are.

  • Rebelyell55 Nov 15, 7:39 p.m.

    I'm not sure how you figure a company with this much disruption to business and who has been through two bankruptcies in 10 years is coming out the "winner".

    Brogden
    November 15, 2012 7:21 p.m..... I'm sorry, I stand corrected and thank you. As for the company coming out a winner, I was referring to them " the hedgefund owners" , see it's a company name but ran by group, not really a company as it use to be. If they own the rights, they'll just have them made some where else. They won't have to pay the employee's pension, that covered by tax payers now. They'll just move the name and operation somewhere else, or just collect off the sales, and write off. It's not business 101, but it pretty close.

  • chodieeas Nov 15, 7:35 p.m.

    Unions FTL......

  • schoonie79 Nov 15, 7:35 p.m.

    I understand that they're frustrated but as long as Hostess stays in business they at least have a job something a lot of people are still looking for. You'd think in a down economy and worse job market, people would think about their bottom line instead of how many more jobs others are going to have to work to pay for them to sit around and complain that they don't have work when they walked off the job

  • Dat MoFo Nov 15, 7:34 p.m.

    "I agree completely. CEO pay is outrageous they need to take the pay cut not the workers. We need a maximum wage.

    downtowner"

    I agree with comrade downtowner. Let's also set a maximum house size as well as laws saying who can own luxuries like boats and campers and second homes. My comrades in the former USSR also agree with comrade downtowner.

  • bacchianm Nov 15, 7:28 p.m.

    Love how people are blaming Obama for Hostess possibly going under....does no one realize they have filled bankruptcy countless times in the last few DECADES!

    Let me guess, Linens and Things was Obama's doing too with his top secret time machine...

    WooHoo2You

    Linens and Things was NOT a unionised company. Hostess has asked their employees to take a pay cut so they can still operate, but the employees would rather not work than to take a pay cut. Linens and Things and Hostess are apples and oranges.

  • shakennotstirred Nov 15, 7:27 p.m.

    Slap a Made in the USA label across tha box and charge an extra $1. I would rather pay the extra amount, than to lose these jobs and my Twinkies. These striking employees are gonna hate the day they shut down these plants. Instead of making $25 or more per hour, they'll be lucky to find a job that pays minimum wage and any benefits at all. Do something, OBAMA!!!

  • Brogden Nov 15, 7:21 p.m.

    Rebelyell55 - watch the video - the striker I was quoting was interviewed outside the Rocky Mount plant by WRAL.

    I'm not sure how you figure a company with this much disruption to business and who has been through two bankruptcies in 10 years is coming out the "winner".

  • etcrudy Nov 15, 7:14 p.m.

    Really....this junk has no nutritional value what so ever, so I feel horrible for any family affected by this but good riddance.

  • unionhater2004 Nov 15, 7:11 p.m.

    People wonder why American businesses don't manufacture in the US? I'm all for fair wages, but clearly if a company has gone through bankruptcy twice in 10 years they need to make some significant changes...

  • WooHoo2You Nov 15, 7:10 p.m.

    Love how people are blaming Obama for Hostess possibly going under....does no one realize they have filled bankruptcy countless times in the last few DECADES!

    Let me guess, Linens and Things was Obama's doing too with his top secret time machine...

  • djofraleigh Nov 15, 7:07 p.m.

    a third world country is going to get a job. Ain't that great! -- comment

    While the equipment might go to another country, the product is a fresh bread and it will come from this area.

  • djofraleigh Nov 15, 7:04 p.m.

    ?what would you do if your employer cut your pay by 8% and stopped paying into your pension fund? I know I went years without a pay raise and took it. But my pay was not cut but once.

  • Rebelyell55 Nov 15, 7:03 p.m.

    Ding Ding, are Twinkies dead? Nope, ain't a chance in snow ball..... (Funny how their oh so correct auto check is ain't it)

  • capitalland Nov 15, 7:01 p.m.

    And people wonder why Obama won.

  • Rebelyell55 Nov 15, 7:00 p.m.

    No, we the taxpayers, will now pay him unemployment for about three years at which time he will go on SS - guess he is showing us!!!

    Brogden
    November 15, 2012 6:41 p.m.......I kinda of miss that one. I saw where a fellow said he has been with the company 36 years, and company before that, but it didn't say Rocky Mount plant. Was this somewhere else that was reporting? He'll still draw a pension, but most likely at 50% of what he should be getting. Also, if the company goes under, we the tax payers will be paying that 50% retirement pay. No matter how ya look at it, the loser will be the American people and the winners will be Corp. America. Don't worry too much, because someone in a third world country is going to get a job. Ain't that great!

  • raleighlynn Nov 15, 6:59 p.m.

    Unions, unions. People, where are your priorities? Get those Twinkies and the chocolate things (WRAL won't let me write Ding D**gs) while you can! Support obesity and diabetes in North Carolina!

  • geosol Nov 15, 6:58 p.m.

    Let the Twinkies management make their own cake! Sorry, no sympathy for a bad business.

  • Plenty Coups Nov 15, 6:42 p.m.

    "Unions just like business owners can go to far. Not everything is so black and white."

    Right. It has to be somewhere in between.

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