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piene2 Nov 16, 4:33 p.m.
"He might be a great guy. That doesn’t matter at this point. What matters is if he was a) speeding, and b) going too fast for conditions (i.e. cars parked along the road for the auction). If so he needs to be charged just as any other person would be.
Do not hold your breath waiting for that to happen. Cops are above the law. In many cases they are far worse then the people they are arresting.
Lightfoot3 Nov 16, 9:04 a.m.
“I am personally praying for all those involved” – brookerogers07
You can say all the prayers, incantations, and spells you want, but that won’t change what’s happened.
“know this trooper and he is a stand up guy.” - brookerogers07
He might be a great guy. That doesn’t matter at this point. What matters is if he was a) speeding, and b) going too fast for conditions (i.e. cars parked along the road for the auction). If so he needs to be charged just as any other person would be.
Lightfoot3 Nov 16, 9:00 a.m.
“The trooper was not going to a call so there was no need for lights and sirens.” - just-wondering
But was he breaking the laws of the state, and common sense, by speeding through this area? If so, he should be charged, arrested, and tried, just as any other person would be.
“So I guess no one on this board has ever sped over the speed limit.” – ASU
And if they strike and kill someone while doing so, they are usually charged with a crime.
“Yes people especially older people can be killed by a vehicle at 20-25 mph.” – ASU
Not just older people, but anyone can. But the chance of death is higher if the speed of the vehicle is higher. And the faster a vehicle is going, the less time the driver has for reaction. Bottom line ... was the cop speeding?
happygirl0624 Nov 15, 7:16 p.m.
I have to comment as a concerned Salemburg citizen. First of all, anyone that rides through Salemburg on Hwy 242 on Tuesday nights knows the amount of vehicles parked along the streets near the auction. Now, any seasoned driver with an ounce of common sense would know to go very slow, even under the speed limit, when conditions such as this present themselves. Be prepared for pedestrians darting out into the street. This was not an inexperienced driver that took the life of an 80 year old man. I live on Hwy 242 in the town of Salemburg and see and hear drivers speeding through town ALL OF THE TIME! It concerns me because I have a 80 year old parent who also lives on Hwy 242 in the TOWN of Salemburg. Drivers need to SLOW DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!
piene2 Nov 15, 6:15 p.m.
".so chance are that we ( John Q Citizen ) will never have these facts.
Of course not. Anything damaging to the cop will be quickly destroyed. The solution is total video and audio recording equipment monitoring every movement of every cop and civilian review boards to keep the cops in line.
dronews Nov 15, 5:39 p.m.
I was in law enforcement in Arizona and there was a huge problem with police officers speeding and causing accidents due to their negligence and thats what this was. It was so bad that the mayor encouraged citizens to(carefully)catch up to the officers and get their information and report it to the police department. It turned the tables on the officers and it wasn't long before there wasn't a problem with speeding.
I think some people on here are confused by the word "highway" 242. This isn't your typical highway. There are small towns and side streets everywhere. I'm always cautious driving due to that and the fact that there are always tractors on the road you have to slow down for. I went by the accident site today, it's 20 mph there. This officer was speeding for no reason other than that he could get away with it. Everyone defends him and all officers but the truth is that alot of them are on power trips and feel untouchable. I hope they make an example of this guy.
Sherlock Nov 15, 5:04 p.m.
UNC24, you need to check your fact, I do not know of any 80 individual that can run 17mmph on their feet.. Of course you attend UNC at would that explains your figures...not. Also hitting someone does not sound anywere near a gunshot.
lra07 Nov 15, 4:27 p.m.
This is a sad thing for both families, how dare people assume the trooper did this on purpose. He risk his life everyday to make sure everyone is safe on NC highways, this is why they call it a accident.God bless Trooper Brown and God Bless Mr. Ottis!
just-wondering Nov 15, 4:18 p.m.
Ok for all the know it alls (you think) that have posted comments let me set you straight. I am in the family of the deceased and know the trooper. Not sure at this point what the speed was, BUT IT WAS NOT 70-80! The deceased was 80 yrs old, his brother was across the street, he stepped out in front of the trooper in a split second. The trooper was not going to a call so there was no need for lights and sirens. Both men involved were kind, gentle caring people that were circumstances of an accident. When some of you know it alls are 80 yrs old you reckon you may do something without thinking or "looking" in this case. Have you ever been a little over the speed limit? Sure you have because you are human not saints! JUST LIKE BOTH MEN INVOLVED! Instead of bashing the trooper try PRAYING for BOTH families because they both are suffering. So get your facts before you pass your wrong opinions!
parkerswithfaith Thanks and sorry for your and your family's loss!
ASU Nov 15, 3:38 p.m.
So I guess no one on this board has ever sped over the speed limit.
vile garbage Nov 15, 3:26 p.m.
All I know is that the speed limit was 20mph. If you hit someone running that speed it dosen't sound like a gunshot. I just went to ChaCha and they say the average human male can run 17mph on his feet. You think about that and then say he was paying attention and couldn't avoid hitting an 80 year old man crossing the street. And then tell me that when he did hit him it sounded like a gunshot at 20mph. His negligence took a mans life. #smackonthewrist
parkerswithfaith Nov 15, 3:15 p.m.
Ok for all the know it alls (you think) that have posted comments let me set you straight. I am in the family of the deceased and know the trooper. Not sure at this point what the speed was, BUT IT WAS NOT 70-80! The deceased was 80 yrs old, his brother was across the street, he stepped out in front of the trooper in a split second. The trooper was not going to a call so there was no need for lights and sirens. Both men involved were kind, gentle caring people that were circumstances of an accident. When some of you know it alls are 80 yrs old you reckon you may do something without thinking or "looking" in this case. Have you ever been a little over the speed limit? Sure you have because you are human not a saints! JUST LIKE BOTH MEN INVOLVED! Instead of bashing the trooper try PRAYING for BOTH families because they both are suffering. Again I know the story because I am in the family of the deceased! So get your facts before you pass your wrong opinions!
Mr Davis Nov 15, 2:56 p.m.
It is terrible for both families involved. With so much malfeasance at all levels of government the public's perception is there is going to be a cover up to protect one of there own. Or hide the truth behind some phony private records law instead of full disclosure of the facts to restore the public's confidence in govt officials doing the right thing.
ASU Nov 15, 2:49 p.m.
I hope no one on this post has a pedestrian cross in front of their vehicle and they hit the person. This is very said. The pedestrian wasn't in a cross walk. Yes people especially older people can be killed by a vehicle at 20-25 mph.
crustyhalo Nov 15, 2:46 p.m.
There could possibly be many contributing factors in this case, so why pass judgement right now ? WE ARE NOT THE ACCIDENT INVESTIGATOR in this case...so chance are that we ( John Q Citizen ) will never have these facts. 'Ye without sin,cast the first stone " So I guess none of you have ever broke the law by speeding .....right ?
KermitDFrog Nov 15, 2:24 p.m.
Private companies put GPS recorders on their vehicles. Some insurance companies will give you a discount if you install one.
State troopers can drive recklessly and get away with it. If they nail someone, Joe Taxpayer ends up paying for the lawsuit. I say every gov't vehicle should have a recorder.
ech Nov 15, 2:15 p.m.
ignorant or not mr brookerogers07. I saw the blood on the road and the paint on the road where the accident happened and there is a 20 mile per hour speed limint sign right before the spot with a half mile of 35 mile per hours section right before the speed changed down to 20 mph.
how fast can you stop a car running 20 mph. would it take more than 5 feet maybee 3 feet. I'm sure that your friend and his family feel bad and he is a good guy, how do you think Mr Parkers family is feeling right now? I bet a whole lot worse than Mr Browns.
vile garbage Nov 15, 2:12 p.m.
brookerogers07--- So since you know him I guess his life is worth more than an 80 year old man. He was a stand up guy too that was killed because of your friends negligence. I know Mr. Brown as the guy that wrote me a ticket for faded lettering on my farm truck. He wanted me procecuted because the letters on my farm truck were faded and he kills an old man and he dosen't deserve anything? Get real. It's ok, dont worry about him or his family, just let it blow over and he will be right back to work without a single charge. So basically what I'm saying is that faded letters cost me $186.00 and him running a man over and killing him in a 20mph zone,well... it happens sometimes...
Runt over again Nov 15, 2:09 p.m.
"You have know idea what this trooper and his family are going through. "
Well I know they are not going through the same thing the family of the man he ran over and killed are going through. Trooper lead foot woke up this morning to a breakfast, hot shower and family for him to say hello to. Ottis Parker did not wake up cause he is on a slab in a morgue. Just a slight bit of difference in the circumstances and what the families are going through one would venture.
jjsmith1973 Nov 15, 2:02 p.m.
I love when it is an officer in this state everyone is to hold off on judgement and think how devastating it must be for the officer and the family. Yet, tables turned and an average citizen would have hit another citizen or a citizen hit an officer everyone would say off with their head and talk about how horrible that person is. Ever week or two when there is a story of an officer in trouble the excuse crowd for them come out in droves. Then the state proclaims fair and unbiased law and enforcement. What a joke. Moral of the story become a cop in NC you can commit any crime you want and walk
brookerogers07 Nov 15, 1:32 p.m.
I love how all these people jump to conclusions and don't even know the whole story. I guess you all were there and know everything. Maybe you should keep your judgments to yourself. You have know idea what this trooper and his family are going through. If you all are so great at being cops/troopers why don't y'all run out there and get a job as one. I am personally praying for all those involved and know this trooper and he is a stand up guy. Remember if you were in his shoes how you and your family would feel about this as well as seeing what all you ignorant people have to say.
rroadrunner99 Nov 15, 1:25 p.m.
I have seen Progressive Ins. advertise that snapshot driving thing on the TV, maybe NC Dept. of Public Safety need's to install one in every NCHP car and have it operational 24/7 365 Have it installed so that it can't be made unoperable like they install those DUI breath thing's. Then when they hit something or some body, we'll know how fast they were going.
jjsmith1973 Nov 15, 1:04 p.m.
As for previous post that have down played seeding as everyone does it or no big deal. A lot of you are posters on DWI stories saying charge those people with first degree murder or death penalty. Yet someone says it was 25 or 35 and he was going 60 or 70. True about speed or not, assuming it is true how can you condemn someone that gets a DWI but no someone just as reckless with speed? I guess it is ok because he is an officer and everyone does it?
Runt over again Nov 15, 12:49 p.m.
"The point is that if I was speeding and hit a State Trooper and killed him they would be seeking the death penalty"
Absolutely. You would have been arrested right on the spot, not been put on administrative leave. It is not a level playing field when crime involves the police. They are given advantages and latitude that Joe sixpack would never be given. Even if this murderer, yes he murdered that man, accident or not, is charged and found guilty he will not be charged or sentenced to the same levels that a regular person would be when in fact they should be held to a higher standard. Especially when it comes to vehicle control or in this case lack thereof!
vile garbage Nov 15, 12:25 p.m.
The point is that if I was speeding and hit a State Trooper and killed him they would be seeking the death penaly. There would be a vigil and the whole nine yards there tonight.
grayboomerang Nov 15, 12:03 p.m.
Everyone needs to slow down. I guarantee that at least half the people posting on this story will get in their cars this afternoon and speed, tailgate, etc. I do remember crossing in a crosswalk on Sawmill Road a few years ago... Got to the other side and you could hear a car quizzing down the road in the 35 zone. It was a Raleigh policeman going about 55-60 with no emergency lights etc. if I had been in the middle of the crosswalk, no way could I have gotten out of his way. EVERYONE needs to stop being do self centered on the road and slow down... Have some manners!!!!
vile garbage Nov 15, 11:22 a.m.
The speed limit is 20mph? The man was 80 years old? It sounded like a gunshot going off? I mean do you really think we need to be Mattlock to figure out what happened? I'm sure he will be back to writing tickets for someone that does alot less than take a life very soon.
justabumer Nov 15, 10:37 a.m.
Judging from some of the comments I see here I would suggest that it might be wise for folks to be required to pass a test in order to operate a computer. Apparently some peoples' ability to think and reason is being sucked away into cyberspace.
carrboroyouth Nov 15, 10:28 a.m.
How do all you posters know he was speeding? I don't see it in the article?
Or have we all rushed to judgment?
NCHighlander Nov 15, 10:28 a.m.
The typical Golo crowd of fools strikes again. Sometimes I wish WRAL would get rid of this comment feature altogether. leo-nc
Then prove that by stopping your own posts.
Runt over again Nov 15, 10:14 a.m.
a 20 mph zone and the trooper flattens this guy!!! how fast was he going???if this had been me or anyone else that was not carrying a badge I am sure charges would have already been filed!!! yet all that has happened is he was put on administrative leave...he should have been put in a cell where he belongs...I cant wait for the cover up reason and how the highway patrol will spin this so that the trooper is totally innocent and it is the dead runt over guys fault!!!
Alexia Nov 15, 10:05 a.m.
leo-nc, they said they would:
That was a year ago. I'm not sure if this more-or-less-exactly the same comment system is just renamed or if they decided to keep it or what.
But, you ought not call people here the typical crowd of fools. If you're truly an NC LEO, then you know all-too-well that a number of folks let "power go to their heads", shoot first and ask questions later, drive way too fast, assume everyone is guilty of something, treat speeders like hostiles, etc. Note I didn't say most. Most officers are good people, but there is a number and that number gives the rest a bad name. They do stupid things like shoot crazy ladies in hotel parking lots and "bank robbers" who held people hostage for hours with a fake gun. Drive 125 in a 55 trying to give a ticket and kill a family. You've heard these before...
piene2 Nov 15, 10:02 a.m.
"LEO should be held accountable the drive way to fast. How many times have I been going 70 or 75 in a 65 zone. Here comes a car flying up in the rear view. It's a LEO they go past and disappear on a straight flat highway. You have to assume their doing in excess or close to 100mph.
Do you not know that anyone that anyone who expects cops to obey the laws they are paid to enforce is branded a cop hater? This will be swept under the rug as are all cases of cop misconduct.
vile garbage Nov 15, 10:01 a.m.
State troopers in North Carolina at least, cover for each other. Do I need to remind anyone of some of the cases? Those are just the ones the public finds out about. Pulling each over very intoxicated and instead of taking them to jail they call their superiors and take them to get a room. The only way we found out about that incident was because the trooper was so drunk he started a fight with somone last that night. So dont worry Trooper Brown, you will back out here writing truckers tickets for low air pressure in one of their tires very soon.
K9Tucker.LoveMYcop Nov 15, 9:36 a.m.
Praying for ALL involved.
ylmclean73 Nov 15, 9:35 a.m.
LEO should be held accountable the drive way to fast. How many times have I been going 70 or 75 in a 65 zone. Here comes a car flying up in the rear view. It's a LEO they go past and disappear on a straight flat highway. You have to assume their doing in excess or close to 100mph.
ezLikeSundayMorning Nov 15, 9:31 a.m.
We don't have enough facts to know if the trooper should be charged. If he was speeding beyond all reason, clearly he should be charged. This is what investigations are for. Let them do their job first.
ech Nov 15, 9:24 a.m.
the exact spot where this happened has a 20 mile an hour speed limit.
leo-nc Nov 15, 9:22 a.m.
The typical Golo crowd of fools strikes again. Sometimes I wish WRAL would get rid of this comment feature altogether.
vile garbage Nov 15, 9:16 a.m.
I know if i'm going 25mph and I hit someone its not going to sound like "a gunshot". Especially if I'm alert and watching the road. I'm pretty sure an 80 year old man didn't dart across the road with no time to react. I'll be watching this case closely.
Blindman Nov 15, 9:14 a.m.
I see comments about whether the Trooper was on the phone, on the computer or speeding. Would we be asking the same questions of the pedestrian if he would have hit him walking on the sidewalk. This "someone else's fault" mentality is ridiculous.
vile garbage Nov 15, 9:04 a.m.
I hope that if this guy was in the wrong at all, and in this area at 25mph limit, that they fully charge him. I have a trucking company and trust me this guy writes every single ticket he can when he inspects a commercial vehicle, even trivial things.Which is fine, but I want him to get the same treatment here. I'm positive they will find a way to fault the pedestrian, but let me run someone over and see how it is prosecuted.
luvstoQ Nov 15, 9:03 a.m.
So sorry that this happened to *both* families. You cannot usually avoid a person just walking out in front of you. Also, where are all you people getting your negative information about the HP officer - speeding, on the computer, inattentive, etc.???? People automatically start making up things when something happens. Just wait for the facts people, and show some *heart* and *compassion* to both these families. It was an *accident*. Sad!
thepeopleschamp Nov 15, 8:57 a.m.
@worldclasscoach, if I saw a coach in Salemburg yelling in kids faces should you be held accountable for their actions that you had nothing to do with? That's exactly what you are doing. This article is about an individual Trooper in Salemburg and has nothing to do with Raleigh at all.
worldclasscoach Nov 15, 8:21 a.m.
I will say I see local Raleigh Police weaving all over the roads either on cell phones or computers, sometimes both at once. I can tell you from prior experience using any kind of computer in a vehicle is just an accident waiting to happen. We need to make the rules that apply to the general public regarding texting, phone & PC use apply to cops too. Don't know the situation in this particular case but sorry for the families loss.
Lightfoot3 Nov 15, 8:14 a.m.
I want to know if the trooper was speeding, and if so, how fast. If he was speeding, he probably needs to be charged for causing the death.
“If you run 65 mph on I-40, I suggest you stay in the far right lane or take another route because you're gonna cause a crash or get ran over.” – stormtrooper76
How does driving the speed limit CAUSE a crash? The CAUSE of the crash is more likely from the impatient drivers that want to break the speeding laws.
“If they actually ran 65 mph on I-40 for a decent period of time, traffic would be really jammed and more hazardous.” - stormtrooper76
Traffic jams come from density, not those traveling at posted speeds. People do need to maintain a safe and legal minimum, but it’s not ABOVE the posted legal limit.
justlookin1234 Nov 14, 7:25 p.m.
For all those people who hate cops, please stop adding information that isn't fact to the story. Both the deceased mans' family and the trooper are both going thru difficult times. Everyone speeds, it's just a fact of life, if you don't believe it, try driving 65 mph on 540 and see how many times to get passed. I'm sure all you bashers are complete angels and have never sinned or committed even the tiniest infraction.
dronews Nov 14, 6:57 p.m.
Ok, so that place where the man was hit has a traffic light right there. The speed limit is either 35 or 25, I'm thinking its 25. I heard he was going around 70 or 80mph. Regardless go the speed he was traveling, he should have at least used caution at the traffic light. If he had done that he would have seen the pedestrian. The police officers are always speeding on 242, ALWAYS! He should be held responsible for his actions.
cjimmyray414 Nov 14, 6:29 p.m.
I WILL PUT IN MY 2CENTS WORTH, VERY SORRY THE MAN WAS KILLED BUT ACCIDENTS DO HAPPEN. ALL OF YOU WHO ARE CONDEMING THE H W P WHY DON'T YOU GO BE ONE FOR A YEAR OR 2 THEN YOU WILL SEE HOW THEY PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE FOR YOU.
cmama Nov 14, 6:18 p.m.
This actually happened in the downtown area of Salemburg so it was lit area and it was 35mph area not 45 or 55 which is well past where this happened. Sad for all.
Published: 2007-10-05 09:38:00
Updated: 2014-06-24 16:03:36