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  • btneast Nov 12, 2012

    btneast-And if we don't do anything, RTP becomes a ghost town. You need to cater to the times. If there's nothing to offer, companies will pick up and leave.

    Maybe, maybe not. We have something few other similar type parks have....we aren't urbanized. You can live in the country and still have a 30 minute or less commute. I live in Granville County way out in the country, but only 19 miles and a 30 minuter commute. Commutes in urban areas can be an hour or more for the same distance, EVEN using mass transit. We should build on our strengths, not try to be like every other wannabe research center.

  • btneast Nov 12, 2012

    Might be surprised. People do in large metropolitan areas you know, just to be closer to work and save commuting time, etc.

    ...Hmmmm, not necessarily. They don't have any other options in large metroploitan areas, its ALL urbanized, Its all been built out many years ago. Here you have the option of urban suburban or rural, all within 30 minutes commute.

  • swimfreak19 Nov 12, 2012

    I thought bus tours went out with the the 1990s...what an incredible waste of money

  • storchheim Nov 9, 2012

    gingerlynn - I'm one of 'em, and unfortunately they can be a bit, uh, cliquish. If they really were qualified, as many Asians and Indians were 20-30 years ago, then fair enough. But they're getting in on the cheap rates.

    Hey, why isn't someone leveling THAT playing field? Hmmmm??? Even when it would help their own citizens, they turn a blind eye...

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Nov 9, 2012

    Nuff - "housing, in the flight patterns, breathing the fumes from jets 24/7.
    yeah, they'll just be lining up for that privilege."

    Might be surprised. People do in large metropolitan areas you know, just to be closer to work and save commuting time, etc.

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Nov 9, 2012

    gkgreene - "So RTP will now get property tax from residential but will not provide funds for schools, reginonal transit, urban roadway connectors, etc to adjacent counties that do"

    I don't believe so because I don't believe RTP is an actual incorporated community.

    I believe Morrisville will probably reap the most in property taxes from this move because much of RTP is within the Morrisville city limits (which stretch further than some think), with Durham and Raleigh reaping property taxes from fringe areas.

  • Dynol Yn Cael Ei Nov 9, 2012

    gingerlynn - "But I have a problem when they are brought in from overseas at a fraction of the cost and good Americans are let go."

    Regarding those from India coming in, once they get here, they make American wages and get American benefits.

    And unfortunately, many of them have received better educations and have a better work discipline that the vast majority of college grads are sorely lacking in.

  • ericsgrowing Nov 9, 2012

    This is a good thing. I really like the plan.

  • Screw WrAl Nov 9, 2012

    housing, in the flight patterns, breathing the fumes from jets 24/7.

    yeah, they'll just be lining up for that privilege.

  • gingerlynn Nov 9, 2012

    Storcheim - what you said would be funny if it weren't true. Also, they are INSOURCING many STEM jobs. Morrisville is already over 21% Indian. I have no problem with bringing in employees when there is no supply here. But I have a problem when they are brought in from overseas at a fraction of the cost and good Americans are let go. I know many unemployed or forced-to-retire IT folks looking for work.

  • gkgreene Nov 9, 2012

    So RTP will now get property tax from residential but will not provide funds for schools, reginonal transit, urban roadway connectors, etc to adjacent counties that do

  • kikinc Nov 9, 2012

    godnessgracious-Actually, winter is the one thing I miss from up north! I love the snow, just hate everything shutting down for days because of it. I take it in stride, though. I love the snow days! :)

  • kcfoxie Nov 9, 2012

    I don't like driving to work. I won't give $285,000 for a 1100sqft condo. Either give me real housing (no HOA, garage) or give me a lightrail so I can keep the house I'm happy with. I don't like the 27-mile commute, and for those who didn't bother to read, AAA reported that Triangle area clocks 21k mi/average, that's nearly double the national average, which is the highest average miles/year of any developed nation. #Thinkaboutit

  • Crumps Br0ther Nov 9, 2012

    Northerners come down here for the differences (low traffic, trees, etc)

    No, They come down here because winter sucks in the north.
    godnessgracious2

    THIS! It kinds sucks here too sometimes but for not as long as it does up there

  • DontVote4LiarsCheatsOrThieves Nov 9, 2012

    Not_So_Dumb - "I like not driving through residences and strip malls on my way to work. I like being able to take a walk in a park at lunch time. We have two urban areas already, why make a beautiful park into a dense urban area?"

    Because that's the only way to keep the place afloat financially.

  • DontVote4LiarsCheatsOrThieves Nov 9, 2012

    Grasping at straws to keep the place afloat.

  • Sarge Nov 9, 2012

    I'm sure the feds in there somewhere telling them what the can and can't do.

  • godnessgracious2 Nov 9, 2012

    Northerners come down here for the differences (low traffic, trees, etc)

    No, They come down here because winter sucks in the north.

  • Not_So_Dumb Nov 9, 2012

    It irks me that people like me and many of my co-workers who already work in RTP are being completely ignored. I like not driving through residences and strip malls on my way to work. I like being able to take a walk in a park at lunch time. We have two urban areas already, why make a beautiful park into a dense urban area?

  • kikinc Nov 9, 2012

    btneast-And if we don't do anything, RTP becomes a ghost town. You need to cater to the times. If there's nothing to offer, companies will pick up and leave.

  • Offshore Nov 9, 2012

    Housing to give more urban feel to RTP of the future

    All the more reason to move further into the country.

  • paultaylorsr100 Nov 9, 2012

    Can't wait to see Section * in there!!! Soooo funny!

  • CrewMax Nov 9, 2012

    There is already a lot of housing at the edge of the park. I wonder if it wouldn't be a bit market limiting to have to sell one's house in that area if you lost your job and had to move.

  • Pineview Style Nov 9, 2012

    Pffftt.... Let them do whatever. I guess Southpoint and Briar Creek aren't close enought to "have it all." And then once this area is "urbanized" there will be a push to "urbanize" another section of town.

    And besides, even though it's antictdotal, most folks I know who work in RTP don't live anywhere near it. Even with those new neighborhoods that were built near by.

  • btneast Nov 9, 2012

    Better quality of life down here, cheaper taxes, more opportunity.

    Exactly. Thats why so many people and companies are moving to this area. If we put in light rail and get the density to make that work, then we have what everybody was trying to get away from to begin with. You can't have it both ways.

  • robertsj47 Nov 9, 2012

    Sounds like Section 8 housing coming in.

  • davidgnews Nov 9, 2012

    Will they have urban crime to go with it?

  • offthegrid7165 Nov 9, 2012

    Been here 12 years moved from Detroit. You need to talk to some New Yorkers that have transplanted here, all they do is complain about how things here arent like NYC.

    Crumps Br0ther

    Well, if they don't like it here because it's not like NYC... I'm sure NYC will take them back...

  • offthegrid7165 Nov 9, 2012

    Urban... translation... increased crime.. ghetto... etc.... See most any major metropolitan city....

  • hardycitrus Nov 9, 2012

    The assumption is that they will suddenly start selling for Boston prices, like a nothing special townhouse that sells for $400,000.

  • I am not who you think I am Nov 9, 2012

    great place for the worlds largest mall and food court

  • Uhavenoclu Nov 9, 2012

    You mean ghetto feel?

  • kikinc Nov 9, 2012

    Crumps Br0ther- Not any of the ones I've come across. Don't get me wrong. I love NY and NYC, but there's a reason I left. The people I associate with feel the same way I do. Better quality of life down here, cheaper taxes, more opportunity. Those that complain aren't a fair assessment of what the majority of us transplants are truly like. For the record, there are people all over that can make a group look bad. The ones you reference fit that description.

  • me2you Nov 9, 2012

    Typical Triangle housing...everyone on top of each other.

  • Not_So_Dumb Nov 9, 2012

    I will not live in the same area as I work. This is all a plot by employers to squeeze more hours out employees. Americans already work more hours per year than anywhere else in the developed world. They are just trying to make work dominate your life more than it already does.

  • Crumps Br0ther Nov 9, 2012

    don't know any Northerner, myself included, who wishes things were like are they "back home." You're talking to the wrong people.
    kikinc

    Been here 12 years moved from Detroit. You need to talk to some New Yorkers that have transplanted here, all they do is complain about how things here arent like NYC.

  • Crumps Br0ther Nov 9, 2012

    Urban housing? That's slang for section 8 right?

  • LuvLivingInCary Nov 9, 2012

    Just called the new city Little India!!

  • kikinc Nov 9, 2012

    tarheelgrad: Most of the Northerners that moved down here with RTP had no choice. Their jobs transferred them. Why decide to stay up North when you can move down South with the same salary, yet pay half of what you paying up North?

    I don't know any Northerner, myself included, who wishes things were like are they "back home." You're talking to the wrong people.

  • blahblahblah Nov 9, 2012

    tarheelgrad - instead of blaming Northerners, how about you place the blame where it belongs - with those that run RTP. They failed to keep up with the times and to have a plan for the future. It's got nothing to do with Northerners, Westerners, Canadians or any other group you don't like.

  • scg Nov 9, 2012

    If you want to live in 1800, you have to give up many things. iPhone, Internet, modern medicine, cars, etc.

    Also, anyone who wants the manufacturing jobs back, are YOU willing to work 18 hours a day and make $2.00 an hour? Please someone say yes....

  • scg Nov 9, 2012

    RTP could be next Silicon Valley.

  • Conservative Nov 9, 2012

    Bring back our manufacturing !!!!! zenonx6

    @zenonx6 - just wait patiently, Obama is bring all the jobs back to the U.S. - each and every one of them that has been lost to overseas' competition. He will have the employment offers in a silver platter soon. Just be patient!

  • NYtoNC81 Nov 9, 2012

    tarheelgrad1998: Northerners come down here for the differences (low traffic, trees, etc), then aren't happy that it's not like "back home". Only, now there's enough of them to make decisions to change it all. In a few years, they will ruin this area, and it will no longer be so unique and attractive. Maybe that's the goal after all.

    Me: This is silly. There is no impartial onlooker in the world that thinks that the triangle is worse because of the influx of high tech and research jobs.

    Yes, with it comes higher cost of living and higher taxes but it also comes a better economy, better real estate appreciation, better education, lower crime and more small businesses.

    If you don't change with the times it may be worse off for you but by any tangible measure this area is far better off because of things like RTP.

  • C6-YA Nov 9, 2012

    I hope they put in a water park! ;-)

  • atheistswillrule Nov 9, 2012

    Every body don't wanna be a brain surgeon or a rocket scientist , Phd. ECT ECT ect. Bring back our manufacturing !!!!! Only a small percentage of the people want these HIGH AND MIGHTY JOBS.. Let them move to where ever those are. zenonx6

    Unfortunately, there are billions of people on the planet willing to do simple manufacturing jobs and manual labor. That means that the jobs will go to those willing to do the job for the least pay. That means manufacturing will not be coming back to NC. As someone from a former textile town ( Wadesboro, NC) I can tell you that all the textile mills closed long ago and the town is a shadow of its former self, with an empty boring downtown and high crime rate due to the poverty. But they do have a Walmart where everything is made in China. If you want US manufacturing you must give up on deals at Walmart and pay the higher cost of US products.

  • Nope Nov 9, 2012

    "Ugh. This is double speak for what has been happening for years here. Northerners come down here for the differences (low traffic, trees, etc), then aren't happy that it's not like "back home". Only, now there's enough of them to make decisions to change it all. In a few years, they will ruin this area, and it will no longer be so unique and attractive. Maybe that's the goal after all."

    Ignorant.

  • jcthai Nov 9, 2012

    RTP is supposed to be a research campus, not a bloody Starbucks.

  • knockitoff Nov 9, 2012

    smokewagon...and Caterpillar announced that they are laying off again, so yeh thats real promising for Sanford.

  • tarheelgrad1998 Nov 9, 2012

    Ugh. This is double speak for what has been happening for years here. Northerners come down here for the differences (low traffic, trees, etc), then aren't happy that it's not like "back home". Only, now there's enough of them to make decisions to change it all. In a few years, they will ruin this area, and it will no longer be so unique and attractive. Maybe that's the goal after all.

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