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tigger28 Nov 9, 9:14 a.m.
Some of these comments are downright offensive to the victim, the driver and the families. This is not a "waste of taxpayer money." I'm curious to see how you'd feel if it were your family member, someone with two children at home. This is why we have a judicial system. A lot of lives were deeply affected in those few minutes and nothing anyone can do will make the families whole again. How would you compensate someone for the loss of a life?
kellbell33 Nov 9, 8:42 a.m.
Carol was about 1 mile from her home when she was hit and killed. This part of Lansing Drive IS NOT in a curve or on a hill. I drive it every single day. The bus took a left right in front of her. Carol hit the bus and died. Yes, it was an accident. But the bus driver turned in front of her.
She had just hung up with her 15 year old Son, telling him she'd be home in 10 minutes to start dinner.
The kids on the bus witnessed nothing except Carol lying in the ditch after being hit by a bus that had just turned in front of her.
There is no evil, county, government, law enforcement conspiracy to make anyone "look better". The picture that was posted from the scene on the news showed the bus turned in front of the motorcyclist. Even I could see that, before knowing anything.
rushlow2004 Nov 9, 8:22 a.m.
This was the second bus accident this driver had this year, also my daughter used to ride this bus and I pulled her off that bus cause she would let her sit in on the floor if there was not enough seats. It took the dealth of a wonderful mother to finally do something about her. This is very sad!
urtwopid Nov 8, 3:21 p.m.
Title was changed to reflect that it was a motorcycle and not a "cyclist" (Inferring bicycle.)
urtwopid Nov 8, 11:11 a.m.
Wasn't in Dunn, was in Benson. And like I said earlier, my son was on that bus, and no Police agency has asked to speak to him to get information. She needs to be guilty because it benefits the County. There was a "Scene investigation". They have the evidence they want to convict her, and have ignored all of the evidence that makes it what it is AN ACCIDENT.
The Oracle Nov 8, 10:44 a.m.
"What's with the definition cyclist: ....
In this case, I think it is used to save space."
Sure, the word bicyclist uses much more space than cyclist.
urtwopid Nov 8, 10:34 a.m.
question_why.... This is because Johnston County is going to get sued. It is all legal Bull Sheep. Not only will she have charges against her, now the family of the woman will be able to sue HER for the accident. Blame our legal system for allowing this to take place.
oldrebel Nov 8, 10:31 a.m.
To indicate whether it was a bicycle or a motorcycle is to increase the reader's understanding of the story.
One could have easily just said Mrs. Clay was driving a large truck...but doesn't saying it was a bus, and a school bus loaded with children, make the story more accurate.
urtwopid Nov 8, 10:29 a.m.
No cantstandgoloanymore I think they were just pointing out what we know already... There are no REAL news reporters anymore. They do not fact check, they print ANYTHING, and then apologize for it later(maybe). It was a motorcycle, not a bicycle. No one driving a motorcycle is called a cyclist.
Go Figure Nov 8, 10:24 a.m.
Thank you, urtwopid, for explaining this situation correctly. Something jounalism refuses to do these days .....God Bless all involved. Lives changed forever.
cantstandgoloanymore Nov 8, 10:10 a.m.
What difference does it make if it were a bicyclist or motorcyclist? Is ones life less valuable? Or were you just waiting to make your usual "bicyclists must die" statements and were dejected that it wasn't one?
twatkinsntp Nov 8, 9:50 a.m.
The way the story was written I thought we were talking about a bicyclist.
urtwopid Nov 8, 9:42 a.m.
In addition to my post... The Speed limit is 45 on Sanders Rd (Where the accident took place.) And it is also notable that the accident took place at the top of a hill-crest that completes a bend in the road. (The direction the motorcycle was traveling took her up a hill, around a bend, and to the intersection with Lansing Drive, all of which end together: Bend, hill, intersection.)
urtwopid Nov 8, 9:28 a.m.
My son was on that bus. She was waiting to take a left onto Lansing drive from Sanders Rd. She was stopped, waited for a mustang to complete it's right turn into Lansing drive from the opposite direction. As the Mustang completed it's turn, she started to make her Left into Lansing. As she turned a motorcyle appeared ans hit the bus. Although we do not know if she did not see the motorcycle, or if the motorcycle was traveling at a high rate of speed, we need to sit back and think about how peoples lives are affected. The bus driver was absolutely distraught. The woman lost her life, and her family lost her. The kids on the bus witnessed a woman die on a motorcycle before their eyes. This bus driver had no intention of killing her, it was an accident. The bus was not traveling at ANY rate of speed, this is extremely poor reporting (Including the mug-shot) that is published to make the bus driver look like a criminal. GROW UP. I am so sick of this kind of reporting. SOMEONE DIED.
savannahn8v Nov 8, 9:10 a.m.
Tammy Starling Clay's negligence cost a young woman her life and two young children their Mother. Slow down people...and practice consideration!
kikinc Nov 8, 8:47 a.m.
Scubagirl-According to what I've found, the speed limit is actually 55 mph. That definitely wasn't the case this morning on the Durham Freeway where I encountered a bus going 35 mph. That's almost as dangerous as speeding, too.
Not all bus drivers are bad drivers. I've seen a lot of people make some silly maneuvers in order to avoid a school bus.
Scubagirl Nov 8, 8:12 a.m.
"They are governed to 45mph,"
I used to think that as well, but don't believe it's the case now. I know for a fact that buses have PASSED me on city streets when I WAS going at least 45. I see many buses daily and most of them are driving safely; that said however, there are more than just 1 bus driver out there who acts like they are the only vehicle on the road and the rules don't apply. I have seen them run red lights, almost red lights, just pull in front of cars.....I liked it much better when the number to call to report bad drivers was on every bus bumper. I notice now it's rare to see one on a bus....guess they don't want to know.
djofraleigh Nov 7, 4:29 p.m.
driving a school bus in the city is hard, but is being done safely. 17,000,000 miles a year for Wake County alone. They are governed to 45mph, but have 30+ kids riding behind to supervise.
Do two wheel vehicles belong on the highways or shoulders?
I'd advocate for a city wide 35mph speed limit inside the beltline of Raleigh to save lives of drivers and pedestrians.
djofraleigh Nov 7, 4:20 p.m.
What's with the definition cyclist: cyclist means either motor/bi-/tri/mono or other prefix that ties to cycle. I guess it could mean one who recycles too.
In this case, I think it is used to save space.
SmokeWagon Nov 7, 3:49 p.m.
It is a shame these drivers are NOT driving under their own free will...they are being FORCED to do so...IF they want a job with the school system...!!!! Many should not even drive a car much less a bus full of YOUR children....!!! PARENTS should be outraged....!!!!!
jonnyonthespot Nov 7, 3:45 p.m.
She was a motorcyclist, not a cyclist. Two very different impressions are given when you read the story. Sad either way.
feistyredhead2001 Nov 7, 3:13 p.m.
I am a little confused... I knew carol and I was on my way to the funeral services for ricky mooneyham and jennifer sabato when carol was killed... carol was on her motorcycle is what I have been told by very close friends of her family.... where does this cyclist info come from?
CrewMax Nov 7, 3:07 p.m.
I got hit broad side by a school bus that ran a four way stop sign. It was dark and I think she thought my headlights were from the truck behind me. She told the state trooper three different stories, each with me in the wrong. But, she got the ticket. Some of these bus drivers think the laws don't apply to them. That's a dead on fact.
romneycare Nov 7, 3:00 p.m.
Check her blood for drugs!
SFSOLDIER Nov 7, 2:35 p.m.
Just sad, period...for the victim and the driver. These bus drivers are driving those kids around entirely too fast. Watch them sometime.
Published: 2007-10-05 09:38:00
Updated: 2014-06-24 16:03:36