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shortcake53 Nov 2, 5:57 p.m.
Thanks Triumph, thats what I thought happened. Just too much to overcome.
Crayzee1 Nov 2, 5:37 p.m.
The neat thing about the a ship in a harbor and a ship in the ocean. the crew can safely get off the ship in the harbor BEFORE the storm hits.
Croc Nov 2, 5:06 p.m.
This part of the coast of NC is known as "the graveyard of the Atlantic" for good reason. More than a thousand wrecks have been recorded over four hundred years.
Triumph Nov 2, 4:34 p.m.
Here's a news scoop on the US Coast Guard's findings - the ship sank due to hurricane-generated waves flooding the engine room beyond the ship's ability to pump it out. Followed by a stalled ship and dead engines that could not steer, and eventual sinking.
immaannoid Nov 2, 4:13 p.m.
Um, they sailed into a hurricane on purpose. That's pretty much it.
sunshine1040 Nov 2, 3:37 p.m.
And if the ship stayed in port there is a very good chance that it would have damaged both the dock and ship and any body that wanted to stay on board during a hurricane. Sorry two lives were lost but some men and women want to see what the sea is like during a storm just as we have airplanes that fry to the eye of a storm.
btneast Nov 2, 3:17 p.m.
took chances because it didn't want to miss a festival.
Keep in mind , a harbor that is experiencing a hurricane is more dangerous than being at sea in a hurricane for a boat like that. No one wants to sail into a hurricane, but even fewer want to be in a harbor that is expecting a hurricane to hit it.
NotAgain Nov 2, 2:19 p.m.
Got to figure out who can sue whom I guess. Show me the $$
NCraised Nov 2, 2:15 p.m.
The captain may have been through storms before with the ship but let's not assume because the boat didn't sink before that it was a wise choice to continue pressing his luck. The ship was a 50 year old replica of a 200+ year old ship. Even adding the 2 engines the ship in itself is not designed to the standards of todays vessels. Not to mention that he was with an inexperienced crew and it's not like it's a working boat. Plenty of crews risk their lives to earn a living at sea. It's part of the job and a risk they knowingly take. This ship was a sailing museum that took chances because it didn't want to miss a festival. There is definitely blame to be had.
seankelly15 Nov 2, 1:58 p.m.
dad6 - "I must be missing something..."
yes, you are.... Your comment is as backward as saying, "gee, why waste the money finding out why that plane crashed".
lilypony Nov 2, 1:40 p.m.
dad6, they need to investigate it to determine fault just as in any accident. There has been substantial cost in the rescue effort that the ship's insurance company would be liable for reimbursing the coast guard if it's determined they were at fault.
Then also the family of the deceased will be eligible for different benefits/settlement if her death was shown to be a result of employer negligence as opposed to just a tragic accident. Not that anyone is necessarily litigation-happy. It's just that there's families to support and when a tragedy like this happens out of what may be employer negligence, it's not fair to expect the family to bear the brunt of the tragedy.
pat7 Nov 2, 1:37 p.m.
Why waste the money thank you for your wasteful spending of my tax dollars,They shouldnt of been out in a storm like this, Saying that Sad anyway you look at this ,But to investagate is a big waste of money, You cant fix accident that aready happen when it comes to mother nature she will take your life when she wants it ,Use the money to educate people not to go out in storms like this
twatkinsntp Nov 2, 12:59 p.m.
I love all these people that know nothing about sailing or boats thinking they know more than an experienced captain. When you truly know something say it.....if not keep your mouth shut.
dad6 Nov 2, 12:49 p.m.
I must be missing something...one dead and one ioff a ship that was sailing in a hurricane. Why waste time and money "collecting evidence and testimony to determine whether the ship had any equipment failure. In addition to finding the cause of the accident, it will also look at whether there was any act of misconduct or negligence." At this point, does that really matter? Shouldn't have been out there in the first place. That was negligent.
wyoming Nov 2, 12:33 p.m.
what is there to investigate?
ckblackm Nov 2, 12:29 p.m.
I wonder if they could raise/salvage it... I guess that would be determined by how deep it is.
Runt over again Nov 2, 12:10 p.m.
"Blame does not belong in this at all, "
Negligence certainly can be blamed if there were options that should have been taken to avoid this sinking.
Runt over again Nov 2, 12:09 p.m.
"sounds like a good scuba trip to me too."
How deep is the water where it sank?
shortcake53 Nov 2, 11:35 a.m.
cantstand, it wouldnt take a rocket scientist to see how easily a ship could sink in a storm like that. Just because a boat is made to float doesnt mean it cant sink. The conditions it was in were insurmountable, end of story.
btneast Nov 2, 11:34 a.m.
shortcake53 - 20 foot waves and 40 knot winds should have been no problem for a ship of this size. Something failed or very bad decisions were made and some people would like to know what so that it may not happen again.
Exactly. Bad weather, up to and including hurricanes are a part of seafaring life. Have been for centuries. We lose boats in them occasionaly, but by in large, most boats of this size can weather them easily.....unless there is a structural or mechanical failure.....or bad judgement.
LovemyPirates Nov 2, 11:18 a.m.
Are those who survived saying that the Captain and Claudene Christian made it to a lifeboat and then were washed out or if they are unsure if they even make it off the ship? The Captain may have gone down with the ship. At a minimum, its likely he followed the protocol of being the last person off. This brave and honorable tradition; one that the Captain of the Concordia didn't follow nor it seems that he believed in.
smegma Nov 2, 11:18 a.m.
sounds like a good scuba trip to me too. tax dollars please.
mgallen2 Nov 2, 11:10 a.m.
I'm going to assume Bob Bubbles was referring to those insinuating this is some insurance fraud scam...just a hunch.
cantstandgoloanymore Nov 2, 11:06 a.m.
shortcake53 - 20 foot waves and 40 knot winds should have been no problem for a ship of this size. Something failed or very bad decisions were made and some people would like to know what so that it may not happen again. It isn't necessarily about blame rather what went wrong.
shortcake53 Nov 2, 10:46 a.m.
Seriously people? We had a MAJOR storm with 20 ft. waves and howling winds, and people are having a hard time understanding why a ship sank?? It was a grand ship, but NOTHING is totally indestructable. Blame does not belong in this at all, unless your blaming Mother Nature.
Lightfoot3 Nov 2, 10:35 a.m.
"The only important thing is that we have someone to blame. For something. Anything. Even if on a subject of which we know nothing." - Bob Bubbles
I was the navigator on a two masted sailing vessel. I know a little bit about sailing. If mistakes were made, they need to be investigated to determine how they were made, if there's blame to be laid (i.e. the boat owners pressured them?, captain's ego?, equipment maintenance?, etc.), and how we can avoid those kind of mistakes in the future.
RallyJean Nov 2, 10:19 a.m.
One of the articles I read said that the ship had electrical problems on Sunday. However, the captain told someone it could wait until Monday. I suspect the investigation will show a number of costly mistakes in judgment.
cantstandgoloanymore Nov 2, 10:09 a.m.
If I were the coast guard, I'd look at the maintenance that was performed in the beginning of October in Maine. As a last resort I'd look at it as insurance fraud. Doubt that they would get the captain to risk their and their crews lives in order get rid of it.
Bob Bubbles Nov 2, 10:03 a.m.
The only important thing is that we have someone to blame. For something. Anything. Even if on a subject of which we know nothing.
FatCat Nov 2, 9:47 a.m.
I'm sure one of the first things the investigation will look in to is the insurance policies that were in place for the ship. It sounds like someone suspects fraud here. Hopefully, greed wasn't the motivation, resulting in the tragic loss of at least one precious life here. Unfortunately, it often is.
ashcash21 Nov 2, 9:24 a.m.
True, and even though the Captain had been in many storms before, none were nearly as big as Sandy. Sandy may not have been a category 5 hurricane, but she was the largest in size, nearly twice the size of Katrina.
Lightfoot3 Nov 2, 9:23 a.m.
"Walbridge was a longtime experienced sailor" - article
Not saying it's the case here, but sometimes the most experienced that make the worst mistakes, because their confidence overrides their caution.
I want to see what course he took, and when he took it. I want to know what navigational planning went into this attempt before they set out.
superman Nov 2, 8:53 a.m.
Sorry that the ship was lost. Glad that none of the resque people were hurt. I am reminded of the many people in New Orleans that refused to leave and then they were unset that it took people so long to help them. Sometimes people make bad decisions and as always they pay the price.
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03