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  • junkmail5 Oct 5, 9:23 a.m.

    Judy-

    And that's great... FOR YOU.

    But given there are literally millions of people who don't have the ID you do, perhaps you might be able to realize not everyone is as lucky as you in being able to get the help you do in obtaining an ID and keeping it current (or being able to afford one in states it's not free)

    Since less than 2 people per election, nationwide, have been found to engage in voter fraud, why do you want to spend millions of wasted dollars AND potentially disenfranchise those millions of legal voters just to possibly stop those 2 people?

    It's great you favor a closer look at absentee ballots- that's someplace REAL fraud actually happens... but voter ID laws don't help with that issue at all.

  • survivorx2 Oct 4, 6:19 p.m.

    I would like to address those who think a voter ID is unnecessary and places a burden on the elderly and sick (& poor). I have had a voter ID for over twenty years, since I had to surrender my driver's license because of medical reasons. As stated, I do not drive, have few people who are willing or have time to help me and I am not a well person. However, I somehow find someone to drive me to the driver's license agency to renew my ID every 5 yrs. I fit all the criteria as far as being one of those who would be burdened. When I go to my doctors at the hospital or for hospital test I am asked to show a photo ID. I was abhorred when I last went to the polls to vote and offered my ID. They turned it down. I do now use an absentee ballot and I think they should be carefully scrutinized. I have nothing to hide and those that protest probably do or think someone does. Thow dost protest too much!

  • junkmail5 Oct 4, 3:07 p.m.

    Ah, day 2 of people listing things you need ID for that aren't constitutional rights and thus have no relevance to the topic at all... awesome!

    Anyway... there's absolutely 0 common sense in spending millions of dollars to 'fix' a problem that doesn't exist, and whose solution won't stop any significant amount of fraud (because there isn't any significant amount of in-person voter fraud) but WILL potentially cause a lot of old people to lose the ability to vote despite being legally qualified to.

    Which is what you're suggesting you want to do.

    Why do you want to waste millions of dollars and disenfranchise old people, all while not actually making ANYTHING better because the problem you're claiming to 'fix' doesn't exist? What's common sense about that?

  • lumberman Oct 4, 2:47 p.m.

    You need a ID to get a smoke a beer a tattoo even some cold meds. But not an ID to make the biggest choice for a country's future. How does that make sense to any one. I really am not sure about this but how does some one on welfare have to have ID to get a check. The government gives them everything else why not send them an ID card with their next check.

  • twatkinsntp Oct 4, 2:43 p.m.

    So... Wildpig777... do you think that having a Drivers Licence is a violation of your rights. Or if you can't have a DL having to have a NC ID card. You seem to watch too much TV and belive too many movies. Remember Voting is a right and we as citizens have the right to make sure you are one before you can vote.

  • baldchip Oct 4, 2:22 p.m.

    This is just common sense!! NO ID-NO VOTE!!

  • Grandpeople Oct 4, 1:08 p.m.

    We need ID for everthing we do. One of the most important rights we have is the ability to cast an honest vote. I will chip in money to help pay for those too impovished to pay for their own ID. I just want to see an honest election.

  • junkmail5 Oct 4, 11:10 a.m.

    I just want to ensure that who's casting a vote is a valid/registered voter- twoods7

    For in-person voting they generally are. And have been for the last 200+ years.

    Hence voter ID laws accomplish nothing but STOPPING -legal- voters from voting because they don't have the right kind of ID card.

    If you -actually- care about fraud then address the fraud that -actually happens- which is via mail-in voting.

  • Mr. Middle of the Road Oct 4, 11:04 a.m.

    It is a really silly idea but no big deal to me. I don't think it will stop anyone from voting or actually stop any voter fraud, but if it makes that many people happy, lets go for it. The whole thing is just a smoke screen to take our thoughts off of the fact that the same legislature that proposed it did absolutely nothing to reduce spending or encourage employment in this State. We are sinking even faster. But is sure does fire folks up.

  • twoods7 Oct 4, 11:01 a.m.

    "I PROSECUTE EVERY ONE OF YOU ID SUPPORTERS FOR -- TREASON." - wildpig 777

    Really? What arresting powers do you have? I'm a fervent believer of showing ID at the Polls. You want to prosecute me? Go ahead and try; you may not like the outcome. I just want to ensure that who's casting a vote is a valid/registered voter. I don't see the problem with that. I mean you have to show ID to get booze, cigs and even access to see the Deity who lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

  • wildpig777 Oct 4, 10:12 a.m.

    VOTER ID = FREEDOM HATERS. i hope these same people try to protest when the gov ment blows the whistle at 6 am an tells you to do 50 jumping jacks. voter id is an intrusion on my rights as an american and if i had my way -- I PROSECUTE EVERY ONE OF YOU ID SUPPORTERS FOR -- TREASON.

  • junkmail5 Oct 4, 8:33 a.m.

    How is it that everything liberals dont like automatically makes it racist?- nowon_yuno

    I don't know that that's true, but since this issue overwhelmingly disadvantages minorities, it's pretty easy to see how in this case they might think that.

    Mind you, I don't think it's racist per se... I think it's that the republicans see a chance to disenfranchise a group that is overwhelmingly DEMOCRATIC voters, so they're taking it.... and it's just a coincidence that it's largely minorities that get hit by it.

    Either way it's a really bad idea that does nothing about the fake problem of in-person fraud, while locking out legal voters and costing money, so I'm against it.

    As I said before, anyone -really- concerned about voter fraud will find a fix regarding absentee voting, which is where any significant amount of fraud happens and voter ID won't fix.

    Anyone who only wants to keep democrats and minorities from voting, or doesn't understand the topic, will instead want voter ID laws.

  • nowon_yuno Oct 4, 8:06 a.m.

    How is it that everything liberals dont like automatically makes it racist?

  • junkmail5 Oct 3, 6:14 p.m.

    Not only was it only for landlines, it also only exempted participants from paying the federal tax or line subscribe fee...in other words it reduced their bill by about $14.00 per month.

    It did not "give" anyone a phone or "free" minutes...people still had a phone bill they had to pay.

    Of course adjusted for inflation $14 in 1984 is about $29 now... which is about what a cheap pre-paid cell phone costs a month.

    What relevance any of this has to voter ID is a mystery though.

    What is so wrong with asking for an identity when voting for one of the most important elections in America?
    mkg1047

    You are already asked your identity. You're simply not required to present a non-free ID card to verify it.

    And as mentioned, IN PERSON fraud is virtually non-existent.

    If you -actually- cared about stopping fraud you'd go after absentee folks- which has nothing to do with ID cards.

    ID requirement does nothing about fraud, it just makes it harder for old and poor people to vote.

  • timexliving Oct 3, 6:02 p.m.

    This restores my faith in North Carolina citizenry. This whole disenfranchisement arguement is total non-sense!

  • Vietnam Vet Oct 3, 6:02 p.m.

    Why in the world is providing voter ID such an issue. When I registered in NC I was given a voter ID card. I fail to understand the problem. You have to show ID to cash a check...what's the problem??? Most states require you to have ID and present it to law enforcement etc. when asked. Much ado about nothing as far as I'm concerned...

  • SaveEnergyMan Oct 3, 5:46 p.m.

    "Ever hear of Poll Tax, Jim Crow, or the other hundred ways folks have tried to PREVENT citizens from Voting? Remember when Blacks were only 2/3 of a Person?" - ss3510

    Those were all grave errors of the past we have learned from. When will people stop living in the past and stop being the perpetual victim?

    If voter ID is to be law, then everyone should get a FREE photo ID when they register to vote, if they don't already have a drivers license. Then it is not an issue. The DMV already issues these for a small fee - my grandmother had one and never drove anything in her life that wasn't a tractor.

    Voting does require some effort. You have to get to the polling place, or PAY for a stamp to request an absentee ballot. I am totally against preventing any legal citizen the right to vote, but we have to realize that elections are high enough stakes that people are going to cheat.

  • Coretta Scott Thing Oct 3, 5:19 p.m.

    NC voters also want front teeth, and IQ's over 75, like that's going to happen anytime soon.

  • davidgnews Oct 3, 4:56 p.m.

    People are amazing in their ignorance. ss3510

    Around here you sort of get used to it.

  • affirmativediversity Oct 3, 4:54 p.m.

    Why is the GOP evil for starting the ID flap right before the election, but 0 can give away cell phones to the welfare crowd in Ohio right before the election?-storchheim

    You realize the lifeline program, under which those free phones are given out, began in 1984...under Ronald Reagan... right?

    (it was for land line service at the time- the program has moved with the times though)

    -------------

    Not only was it only for landlines, it also only exempted participants from paying the federal tax or line subscribe fee...in other words it reduced their bill by about $14.00 per month.

    It did not "give" anyone a phone or "free" minutes...people still had a phone bill they had to pay.

  • mkg1047 Oct 3, 4:43 p.m.

    Voter ID became an issue after the fraud in the 2008 election. Accorn, deceased, duplication of voter registration all were invalid. What is so wrong with asking for an identity when voting for one of the most important elections in America?

  • WooHoo2You Oct 3, 4:21 p.m.

    What difference does it make, the courts keep over ruling anything that we want.-muggs

    What you want and what the supreme court deems legal (constitutional) don’t seem to coincide….

  • junkmail5 Oct 3, 4:19 p.m.

    Why is the GOP evil for starting the ID flap right before the election, but 0 can give away cell phones to the welfare crowd in Ohio right before the election?-storchheim

    You realize the lifeline program, under which those free phones are given out, began in 1984...under Ronald Reagan... right?

    (it was for land line service at the time- the program has moved with the times though)

    Bringing it up seems like another effort to avoid the fact the voter ID thing is an attempt to deny a basic right with the excuse of 'fixing' a fraud problem that isn't actually a problem by changing the subject though...

  • DavidJonathan Oct 3, 4:18 p.m.

    This is not complicated. 79% of NC voters want some form of voter ID. There is nothing unfair or biased about that. The delay in Ohio was caused by court challenges. Time in court could have been spent on voter education. Nobody planned for the changes to happen immediately before an election.

  • storchheim Oct 3, 4:18 p.m.

    "It seems that the 16% is certainly represented in this thread." nufsaid

    It's really 8% but they voted twice. BWA HA HA HA!

  • ss3510 Oct 3, 4:18 p.m.

    Ever hear of Poll Tax, Jim Crow, or the other hundred ways folks have tried to PREVENT citizens from Voting?

    Remember when Blacks were only 2/3 of a Person?

    People are amazing in their ignorance.

  • davidgnews Oct 3, 4:16 p.m.

    But most on golo do not. Scary there are actually people that do not get it. ncouterbanks69

    Oh we get it alright. No photo, no voto!

  • ss3510 Oct 3, 4:15 p.m.

    I find it so interesting that in 2000 and 2004 when Republicans won the Presidential Election they weren't concerned with Voter ID's...YET, ONLY after Obama won in 2008 by increasing the Voting Base through VOTER REGISTRATION Drives, Voter ID's are somehow now really important.

  • junkmail5 Oct 3, 4:13 p.m.

    It is the states who determine eligibility to vote and it is the states who have the authority to establish the qualifications to vote.
    josephlawrence43

    Yup, but those federal laws and rights over-ride them- which is why a state can't make race a criteria to vote... nor a poll tax (or anything the courts consider like unto a poll tax, such as requiring a non-free ID card, or one that is difficult for minorities or other protected groups to obtain)

    What difference does it make, the courts keep over ruling anything that we want.
    muggs

    Darn those civil-rights-protecting courts! what with their stopping people from denying minorities the right to vote!

  • storchheim Oct 3, 4:11 p.m.

    Why is the GOP evil for starting the ID flap right before the election, but 0 can give away cell phones to the welfare crowd in Ohio right before the election? There were reports that the grabbers were calling dey friends on dey sail phones, to come down cause dey givin away free sail phones, even as they reached for taxpayer-funded ones! No shame. I'm sure you've all heard that dulcet-toned Rev "God Da*n America" Wright soundalike on the radio by now, bellowing and rasping the 0bamaphone.

    And promise children brought here by illegals that they can stay if they meet certain(to be changing to suit the whim of the day) criteria, right before the election?

    And try to make trouble for Sheriff Arpaio in AZ, who wants the illegals gone, right before the election?

    There's justification for voter ID. There is no justification for any of 0's tricks.

  • josephlawrence43 Oct 3, 4:08 p.m.

    The Constitution on voting rights:Eligibility to vote in the U.S. is determined by both federal and state law. Currently, only citizens can vote in U.S. elections (although this has not always been the case). Who is (or who can become) a citizen is governed on a national basis by federal law. In the absence of a federal law or constitutional amendment, each state is given considerable discretion to establish qualifications for suffrage and candidacy within its own jurisdiction. It is the states who determine eligibility to vote and it is the states who have the authority to establish the qualifications to vote.

  • fl2nc2ca2md2nc Oct 3, 4:07 p.m.

    It's just common sense. I'm not surprised that a good majority want it.

  • muggs Oct 3, 4:00 p.m.

    What difference does it make, the courts keep over ruling anything that we want.

  • Plenty Coups Oct 3, 3:54 p.m.

    "Plenty, everyone knows when the GOP does a study it has a liberal agenda ;)"

    LOL

  • storchheim Oct 3, 3:53 p.m.

    " one of them openly admitted by pushing them through in PA he was going to "hand the state to Mitt Romney in the election"" junkyard

    And 0 openly admitted he was going to redistribute the wealth. And Pelosi openly admitted no one knew what was in the health care act. Your point?

  • jlhpcarew Oct 3, 3:48 p.m.

    point is 69% of those polled (personally I don't think they polled enough) said they wanted voter ID. After this election, the "poor, elderly and minorities" will have plenty of time before the next election (at least 2 years) in which to get ID. I think they can manage that, don't you?

  • WooHoo2You Oct 3, 3:40 p.m.

    rip-"You may as well cite Pravda. There's little difference."

    Even the republicans own studies confirmed this. You apparently don't like what actual studies say but then you have the burden of proving them wrong. You saying they're wrong doesn't make it so.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0-Plenty Coups

    Plenty, everyone knows when the GOP does a study it has a liberal agenda ;)

  • Plenty Coups Oct 3, 3:36 p.m.

    nufsaid-"Junk, take a look at this sometime. http://www.civitasreview.com/elections-campaigns/bd-of-elections-chief-skeptical-of-expose-will-investigate-investigators/"

    Even Project Veritas, when they tried the stunt of claiming to be dead people, were recognized or challenged several times. They conveniently leave that out of their video. A whole lot of risk for very little gain.

  • junkmail5 Oct 3, 3:34 p.m.

    You may as well cite Pravda. There's little difference.
    Ripcord

    I note your total inability to cite ANY source, no matter how biased that disagrees with them though...or supports your own argument in any way.

    I know it's tough when someone asks you for facts, but it's ok to admit you have none.

    I wonder why that is?

  • junkmail5 Oct 3, 3:32 p.m.

    Junk, take a look at this sometime. http://www.civitasreview.com/elections-campaigns/bd-of-elections-chief-skeptical-of-expose-will-investigate-investigators/
    nufsai

    Ok, I read it.

    It suggests that a handful of people were able to suggest security was poor around NC elections.

    What it doesn't do is suggest anyone actually voted illegally.

    It also doesn't address the actual point you were responding to... that 11 million people in the US are eligible legal voters but do not have the type of ID required to pass the strict voter ID laws being discussed.

    If you're presenting it as evidence against the -other- number, only 10 documented cases of actual in person voter fraud in the last 12 years of national elections- it doesn't disprove that either, nor offer any alternative figure... as noted, nobody in the story actual voted illegally.

  • Plenty Coups Oct 3, 3:30 p.m.

    rip-"You may as well cite Pravda. There's little difference."

    Even the republicans own studies confirmed this. You apparently don't like what actual studies say but then you have the burden of proving them wrong. You saying they're wrong doesn't make it so.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

  • Ripcord Oct 3, 3:25 p.m.

    "The source is the Brennan Center for Justice"

    You may as well cite Pravda. There's little difference.

  • junkmail5 Oct 3, 3:20 p.m.

    Maybe you didn't comprehend the headline of this article. "WRAL News poll: NC wants voter IDs"- ncouterbanks69
    -

    I'm sure if you poll the same people and ask "Would you like a 50% tax cut and a 500% increase in government services that you use?" you'd get a similar or better YES vote too.

    People often vote for things that sound good without understanding the actual issue, or cost, or ramifications.

    It's one of the reasons the founding fathers went so far out of their way to _avoid_ a direct democracy.

  • nufsaid Oct 3, 3:17 p.m.

    "11 million you say...??? Really 11 million...??? Why not 15 million 12.4 million or 31.64 million..SmokeWagon

    Because 11 million is the # found in an actual study, with actual facts.

    Something sorely lacking in the other side of this discussion.

    The source is the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law.

    If you'd like to disagree you'll need your own source, and some actual facts. Give that a try sometime!
    junkmail5"

    Junk, take a look at this sometime. http://www.civitasreview.com/elections-campaigns/bd-of-elections-chief-skeptical-of-expose-will-investigate-investigators/

  • oldaltar Oct 3, 3:12 p.m.

    And more violent, more lawless, more fatherless, more expensive, more murderous (over sneakers or 'disrespect'), more idle, more immune to prosecution/deportation...but you caught us, we only hate them because of the color of their skin, not the content of their characters.-storchheim

    Hate, who mentioned anything concerning hate. Oh,you did. So much for your content of character speech and WooHoo2You.

  • nufsaid Oct 3, 3:12 p.m.

    " ncouterbanks69

    Maybe you didn't comprehend the headline of this article. "WRAL News poll: NC wants voter IDs"
    nufsaid

    And maybe you did. Sorry if I misinterpreted your meaning.

  • junkmail5 Oct 3, 3:11 p.m.

    Junkmail - not sure where you got your numbers on voter fraud.

    Tax Man

    I guess you haven't been reading the discussion then, since I posted them 3 or 4 times now.

    That's how many verified cases -nationwide- engaged in in-person voter fraud...not just NC.

    Here's a hint for you though: Dead people not yet purged from voter registration rolls, but who DO NOT VOTE... because, you know, they're dead, haven't engaged in voter fraud.

    Fraud requires actual fraud.

    Which there's only been 10 confirmed cases of that voter ID would have fixed.

    Out of hundreds of millions of votes cast since 2000.

    Which is why it's a made-up issue.

    If you want to find -actual- voter fraud it's in absentee voting- which photo ID doesn't fix.

    But notice the republicans aren't in a hurry to fix THAT one, because republicans tend to do well among such voters.

  • ncouterbanks69 Oct 3, 3:11 p.m.

    Maybe you didn't comprehend the headline of this article. "WRAL News poll: NC wants voter IDs"

    But most on golo do not. Scary there are actually people that do not get it.

  • junkmail5 Oct 3, 3:07 p.m.

    11 million you say...??? Really 11 million...??? Why not 15 million 12.4 million or 31.64 million..SmokeWagon

    Because 11 million is the # found in an actual study, with actual facts.

    Something sorely lacking in the other side of this discussion.

    The source is the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law.

    If you'd like to disagree you'll need your own source, and some actual facts. Give that a try sometime!

  • nufsaid Oct 3, 3:07 p.m.

    It seems that the 16% is certainly represented in this thread.

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