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  • must b crazy Oct 3, 2012

    Again, if it is easy, which it is, to show up and vote under another name, why is that acceptable? Which voting block benefits? I say neither. Historically, the max turnout of eligable voters runs 35-55%. That means half of your neighbors' names are sitting on a list ready for anyone to use as a vote, undetected. No safeguards is good because??? Elections are often swung by a small number of votes. Time to move the election process into the modern era. For everyone's benefit.

  • lec02572 Oct 3, 2012

    What is the big deal about having an ID? I have worked the polls before and found that a son had voted in the place of his father anticipating that the father was not going to vote and later voted himself. Then the father came in to vote and was told that he had already voted. Voter ID is a great idea.

  • kidsrn Oct 3, 2012

    2) Think about this, what if it's your vote that is stolen through some sort of fraud? Even if that's the one single fraud that occurs isn't that something you want to protect?

    PRECISELY. Great question!

  • Ven Oct 3, 2012

    attempts at voter suppression is greater than voter fraud - period. When will there be a bill and public money for that?

  • hardycitrus Oct 3, 2012

    The spreading GOP voting fraud case includes their registration contractors (paid directly by the GOP) registering Democrats and then SHREDDING their registration.

    This is completely different than the ACORN scandal where there people registered Donald Duck and The Lone Ranger, and the ACORN reported the violations. That didn't stop anyone from voting, and there was no way Donald Duck was going to vote.

    After years of of GOP screaming about fake "scandals," now e have a big fat juicy scandal created by the GOP.

  • pulstar40 Oct 3, 2012

    "Well, I don't know if anyone else has noticed but we have to show a photo ID when we go to the doctor"- GetReal7

    I don't recall showing one at my last visit... or the one before that... or the one before that... heck, I was even paying with a credit card, and no ID." junkmail5

    Most medical insurance companies require that a photo ID be presented at least once during a certain time frame.

  • WooHoo2You Oct 3, 2012

    The only people who don't want voter id are the Democrats who are trying to protect the fraudulent registrations submitted by ACORN and SEIU.-ConservativeVoter

    Or the GOP hired company in Florida that was only fired after getting caught? BTW, fake registrations don’t actually vote…do fake cars get into real accidents?

  • stevee2 Oct 3, 2012

    Why are some of you so adamant to the idea of showing a valid ID to vote. It's not that hard a thing to do. Don't give me that shop worn excuse about being disenfranchised and discriminated against. That's a bunch of whining!

  • pulstar40 Oct 3, 2012

    What is the big deal about showing an ID at the polls? Don't have a driver's license? You can still get a picture ID at DMV. If you don't have anything to hide, this shouldn't be an issue.

  • storchheim Oct 3, 2012

    Have any of these poor, elderly, "diversities" voted before in their lives? Or is this another uproar in search of a class of "victims"?

    I would bet you that these people who are just too incompetent to get and maintain ID haven't stirred their stumps to vote in their lives, except MAYBE the last election because there was a black guy running.

    Why can poor, elderly, whites manage to keep current ID with no trouble? It just kills me to think of all that some blacks sacrificed, including their lives, so blacks could vote, and now these act like a bunch of infants: wah, I have no ID. Wah, I can't get there, can't read the ballot, no idea of the issues. Do we want helpless infants to vote? Esp helpless infants who will be on the dole either way and have nothing to lose?

  • WooHoo2You Oct 3, 2012

    ..."Poll taxes are wrong and unconstitutional and the gun argument is completely off topic and does not apply...."

    SmokeWagon,

    -That is a laughable "excuse" and is NOT a poll "tax" just because you loonie liberals "call" it that..

    So forcing someone to buy from the government in order to vote is not a “tax?”

    -.It costs money to drive to the polls, insure the car that drove you to the pools, wear clothes to the polls, and to go home from the polls.

    You do not have to drive, you can make your own cloths, etc… Apples to hammers!

    -..EVERY ONE of these costs are taxed by the government at every turn...NOTHING is free...so GET OVER the "poll tax" lame excuse...!!!!!

    You are grasping…..

  • junkmail5 Oct 3, 2012

    ALL the more reason to make sure our comander and chief is elected by Americans.... that are alive.... and NOT ellegals or the deceased... And, why every vote should count ONLY once...
    offthegrid7165

    And voter id solves NONE of those problems.

    As the article, and every single study including those by the GOP, prove, 99.9% of "voter fraud" would NOT be prevented by voter ID... because it happens via mail-in ballots and other NOT IN PERSON fraud.

    So why is it only the in-person ID stuff people want to pass laws about?

    Kinda odd, given that it will prevent on average ONE fraud vote, but block potentially -millions- of legal ones... I'm sure it's a TOTAL coincidence that most of those millions would be democratic votes.

  • powerpuffjenn Oct 3, 2012

    I've never commented on a topic on WRAL before, but this topic deserves it, and it's more questions I have than opinion.

    1) How in this day and age can ANYONE exist without some form of ID, photo or not? We're all documented in some way. How difficult is it to produce that documentation?

    2) Think about this, what if it's your vote that is stolen through some sort of fraud? Even if that's the one single fraud that occurs isn't that something you want to protect?

  • hardycitrus Oct 3, 2012

    Every other civilized country has a national ID because everyone has a national health insurance card.

  • WooHoo2You Oct 3, 2012

    "the gun argument is completely off topic and does not apply." - WooHoo2You

    It's off target, but a valid comparison and question. Gun ownership is a constitutional right. Is it okay to request an Id in order to exercise a constitutional right? If so, then the argument that requiring an ID to vote is unconstitutional needs to be removed from the table.-Lightfoot3

    No, CHARGING to vote is directly brought up in the constitution and requiring the purchase of something required to vote would violate that amendment. Please quote me something from the constitution relating to gun ownership that prevents ID checks…..

  • junkmail5 Oct 3, 2012

    Well, I don't know if anyone else has noticed but we have to show a photo ID when we go to the doctor- GetReal7

    I don't recall showing one at my last visit... or the one before that... or the one before that... heck, I was even paying with a credit card, and no ID.

    Course none of the above are rights guaranteed by the constitution either, so they're totally irrelevant to the topic anyway....

    That is a laughable "excuse"-SmokeWagon

    It's also a current, valid, amendment to the constitution.

    I'm sorry you consider our constitution laughable, but you're still required to abide by it.

  • teleman60 Oct 3, 2012

    "God - I just love the obama presidency! Never - Ever has there been more hatred displayed towards one another."

    This is a very telling comment. The hatred is pretty plain and the innuendo is constantly there that anyone who supports Obama is a worthless slug who is definitely on welfare cheating all the hard working white folk out of their money -- just like the Romney video portrayed ONLY THIS IS REAL.

    This is the North Carolina that no one wants to admit to, the North Carolina that burns deep in the hearts of many posters here. The truth has no seat at the table in such discussions.

    That someone would say "This has been the end of America." only begs the question, what brought you to that conclusion? What was for you that instilled such hatred?

  • TheBigLC Oct 3, 2012

    I need to show ID to get on a plane, buy alcohol, use a credit card card, cash a check, the list goes on- Hilad.

    Yes, and that's a list of things that aren't rights guaranteed by the constitution like voting is.... so it's a pretty pointless and irrelevant list. Junkmail.
    So Junkmail, you feel the government has the right to prevent a person from doing those things because they are not constitutional rights? Wow. You really should not be allowed to vote.

  • offthegrid7165 Oct 3, 2012

    Voting is the very foundation of this country's democracy. Road-

    ALL the more reason to make sure our comander and chief is elected by Americans.... that are alive.... and NOT ellegals or the deceased... And, why every vote should count ONLY once...

  • WooHoo2You Oct 3, 2012

    Poll taxes are wrong and unconstitutional and the gun argument is completely off topic and does not apply. WooHoo2You

    Provied an ID you bleeding hearts give them everything else they want. The poll tax is a red herring.-nowon_yuno

    In person voter fraud is a “red herring” and the GOP PROVED IT!!!!

  • Cary1983 Oct 3, 2012

    Last night on the news I heard that there are 400,000 people in NC w/out IDs. They are mostly elderly and poor. If there are truly so many people living on the "fringes" without ID, we should find a way to get them a state issued ID. Having an ID would seemingly make their lives easier at doctors/banks/etc. Why can't someone figure out how to get it done?

  • TheBigLC Oct 3, 2012

    Wow Lightfoot, you are spot on with your comparisons. Nicely done. Lets see how people try to refute what you say. Kudos.

  • ConservativeVoter Oct 3, 2012

    Our current voting system which doesn't require an ID is easy to fraudulently vote with somebody else's ID.

    The Democrats say there are no cases of voter fraud.

    Easy statement to make because you can't prove whether someone votes legally or not because they don't ask you for your ID and don't verify against a database of any sort.

    The easiest system in the world to create fraud in and there is not audit trail available to prove whether you did or you didn't.

  • Lightfoot3 Oct 3, 2012

    "the gun argument is completely off topic and does not apply." - WooHoo2You


    It's off target, but a valid comparison and question. Gun ownership is a constitutional right. Is it okay to request an Id in order to exercise a constitutional right? If so, then the argument that requiring an ID to vote is unconstitutional needs to be removed from the table.


    "I'm surprised by how much the small minority left-wingers, who rail against things that most Americans and most North Carolinians want and agree to, continue to rant." - The Yoda


    Being in the majority doesn't necessarily equate to being right. Slavery, women voting, the crowd before Pontious Pilate and Jesus, etc., are prime examples.

  • SmokeWagon Oct 3, 2012

    ..."Poll taxes are wrong and unconstitutional and the gun argument is completely off topic and does not apply...."

    That is a laughable "excuse" and is NOT a poll "tax" just because you loonie liberals "call" it that...It costs money to drive to the polls, insure the car that drove you to the pools, wear clothes to the polls, and to go home from the polls...EVERY ONE of these costs are taxed by the government at every turn...NOTHING is free...so GET OVER the "poll tax" lame excuse...!!!!!

  • ConservativeVoter Oct 3, 2012

    The Democrats and NAACP require an ID to enter their conventions but they don't want ID used to protect the election from fraud.

    The only way to have an election that everybody trusts is to require ID to vote.

  • westernwake1 Oct 3, 2012

    I got an idea. Let's follow the policy of all the nations ranked above the U.S. in democratic transparency & openness.

    Oh wait... all of these nations require a picture id to vote.

  • WooHoo2You Oct 3, 2012

    Artist,

    -The FACTS:

    I bet they will all be skewed opinions.

    -Voter ID's are actually useless....

    You are right, almost all voter fraud is done by mail. The latest GOP study proved it.

    -since LIBZ give free ID's to everyone!! Illegals, terrorists, anybody!!

    Examples of free IDs to terrorists and illegals?

    -God - I just love the obama presidency!

    Is that another “fact?”

    -Never - Ever has there been more hatred displayed towards one another.

    You are a prime example!

    -This has been the end of America.

    Yeah, I have been hearing that and the New World Order for my entire life.

  • ConservativeVoter Oct 3, 2012

    The only people who don't want voter id are the Democrats who are trying to protect the fraudulent registrations submitted by ACORN and SEIU.

  • mesocell Oct 3, 2012

    In the past, I have supported voter ID. You should be able to prove who you are when you vote. However, today, I find myself on the other side of the fence. The evidence seems to indicate that most voter fraud is not at the polling place but in the absentee/mail in area. Given that, and given that there is bigger percentage of voters in the country without photo ID than voter fraud cases at the polls, then the balance for me is tipped in keeping the right to vote open without photo ID. I do think if ID is required, then the voter registration card that the local elections board presents is the minimum requirement. Of course, if you have photo ID, then you should take it with you.... just in case.

  • jcthai Oct 3, 2012

    Any constitutional right can have limits placed on it. I'll assume you are all intelligent enough to understand this. Keeping it to guns, felons can't own guns, despite it being their CR (if you accept the current Supreme Court's decision to override 225 years of prior decisions to the contrary). Whenever limits are placed on CR's the courts look to see if the limit is reasonable. Is there really a need for the limit? With gun purchases, there is a need, as determined by the courts to show a photo ID. That doesn't mean that there is a need to place this limit on any other CR. Voter fraud is virtually non-existent. There is no need to require photo IDs to vote. So the courts, so far, have resisted allowing laws that try to place this limitation on the right to Vote. I mean do you really want to go down this path? How to all you righties feel about requiring political donors (right to free speech) feel about requiring them all to show a photo ID and their names be made public?

  • junkmail5 Oct 3, 2012

    I need to show ID to get on a plane, buy alcohol, use a credit card card, cash a check, the list goes on- Hilad.

    Yes, and that's a list of things that aren't rights guaranteed by the constitution like voting is.... so it's a pretty pointless and irrelevant list.

  • SmokeWagon Oct 3, 2012

    ..."Sadly, I was just thinking the same thing. So much anger and disgust for one another...."

    No not really...conservatives are just sick and tired of being run over by agenda driven loonie liberals hell bent on stealing and using others money for their "causes"...!!!! We are ready to TAKE AMERICA BACK....!!!!!!

  • nowon_yuno Oct 3, 2012

    Poll taxes are wrong and unconstitutional and the gun argument is completely off topic and does not apply.
    WooHoo2You

    Provied an ID you bleeding hearts give them everything else they want. The poll tax is a red herring.

  • ConservativeVoter Oct 3, 2012

    if constitutional rights don't require ID then why do I have to show ID to get a firearm

  • GetReal7 Oct 3, 2012

    Well, I don't know if anyone else has noticed but we have to show a photo ID when we go to the doctor. And I don't have any problems with showing one in order to vote.

  • junkmail5 Oct 3, 2012

    That's a good question and no one has answered it yet. I wonder if the premise, that you don't have show ID for constitutional rights, is wrong?
    Lightfoot3

    I did address it, it's based on something that's not true.

    You do NOT need photo ID to buy a gun.

    In the majority of US states you can purchase any legal gun via private sale without any ID whatsoever.

    In SOME (a minority) of states you will need an ID for handguns specifically but can buy other types of guns as above, without ID, via private sale.

    The only time you NEED id across the board is if buying via a commercial sale from a federally licensed firearms dealer.

    So it's kind of like how you don't need ID to walk across state lines, but DO need ID if traveling via commercial airlines.

  • SmokeWagon Oct 3, 2012

    Wow...69 percent want to require a photo ID to vote and another 10% say the photo is not necessary..!! This is a major smack down for the liberal loonie demcrats who survive in power by their entitlement selling "get out the vote" revivals....!!!!

  • driverkid3 Oct 3, 2012

    Reading through these comments, I've come to the conclusion that the liberals only have another string that they can yank in order to get something else for free.

    Although I don't drive now, I ahve a valid license, and will make sure I ashow it to the poll worker whether they ask for it or not. Once they told me they didn't need it but they still took it. I told them I was proud that I had the right to vote and didn't mind proving it at all. I don't care if it takes a couple of seconds for them to look at the license before I can vote, at least I can PROVE who I am.

  • kidsrn Oct 3, 2012

    God - I just love the obama presidency! Never - Ever has there been more hatred displayed towards one another.

    This has been the end of America -----artist

    Sadly, I was just thinking the same thing. So much anger and disgust for one another. Our country is imploding.

  • WooHoo2You Oct 3, 2012

    "if constitutional rights don't require ID then why do I have to show ID to get a firearm?" - Milkman

    That's a good question and no one has answered it yet. I wonder if the premise, that you don't have show ID for constitutional rights, is wrong?-Lightfoot3

    Poll taxes are wrong and unconstitutional and the gun argument is completely off topic and does not apply.

  • teleman60 Oct 3, 2012

    Seeing a UFO is more probable than voter fraud.

    Oh.oh maybe Rush and Beck and O'Reiley and Hannity are Aliens?

    We better call in the Ghostbusters...

  • must b crazy Oct 3, 2012

    The current system is simple to defraud, and such fraud is difficult to detect. No one debates that. And this is good because??

  • hilliad Oct 3, 2012

    I need to show ID to get on a plane, buy alcohol, use a credit card card, cash a check, the list goes on. I agree 100% that I should have to show ID to vote. The only ones that are disagreeing with this are liberals. I guess i could go down to the home depot and pick up a truck load of, let me be politically correct here, "undocumented workers", give them $5 bucks and have them vote too.

  • SmokeWagon Oct 3, 2012

    ..."Voter ID laws serve only 2 purposes - 1) disenfranchise older minority voters that vote overwhelmingly Democratic...yellow_hat..."

    Wow...really...??? So you are saying that democrats are that ignorant and can't even figure out how to get to the polls..??? How RUDE you are....!!!!

  • Plenty Coups Oct 3, 2012

    junkmail-"As even the original article points out, 99.9% of ACTUAL fraud is not from in-person voting fraud. So voter Id wouldn't prevent it AT ALL."

    Yes. Why does this fact get ignored?

    "...So spending millions of dollars, and disenfranchising a much larger # of people than 10, seems an incredibly bad response to that."

    My point as well. Disenfranchise thousands in order to stop one. Makes zero sense.

  • teleman60 Oct 3, 2012

    Was Bush elected by massive voter fraud? Didn't illegals vote for Bush in massive numbers? He was from Texas, that's almost in Mexico...

    When national ID was proposed years ago it was voted down by Conservatives and Libertarians as MORE BIG GOVERNMENT!

    It's laughable to read the posts here NOW DEMANDING IT! The same people crying for healthcare repeal now crying for ID's (HAHAHAHA)

  • Lightfoot3 Oct 3, 2012

    "if constitutional rights don't require ID then why do I have to show ID to get a firearm?" - Milkman


    That's a good question and no one has answered it yet. I wonder if the premise, that you don't have show ID for constitutional rights, is wrong?

  • artist Oct 3, 2012

    The FACTS:

    Voter ID's are actually useless.... since LIBZ give free ID's to everyone!! Illegals, terrorists, anybody!!

    God - I just love the obama presidency! Never - Ever has there been more hatred displayed towards one another.

    This has been the end of America.

  • The Yoda Oct 3, 2012

    I'm surprised by how much the small minority left-wingers, who rail against things that most Americans and most North Carolinians want and agree to, continue to rant. They are on the wrong side of the same-sex marriage debate and voter ID issues. Yet they continue to make their disingenuous arguments, and parrot the left-wing radicals who now control the once-great Democrat party.

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