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  • trubtold Sep 21, 4:51 p.m.

    Fight it in court. Seems to me if they know where and who dumped the CA causing agents they have a strong case.

    Invest now in bottle water stocks......really chicken little?
    Response:
    Those companies are probable long gone and you'll never get the money out of them..they'd go bankrupt first. You are a Chicken Little if you believe their will not be any consequences from fracking. What do you think will happen to property values in areas where fracking is occuring? Maybe they will frack under your property...hope you have well water...bet you would like that!

  • FAQ-U Sep 21, 3:20 p.m.

    Have you talked to those families in Wake Forest who own homes that are now worthless because of their polluted well water from cancer causing agents. Fracking will eventually get into the water systems if allowed. Nothing is foolproof. These companies and politicians will come in get their money off this deal and get out as fast as they can, leaving the citizens of NC with a mess and huge cleanup bill. Invest now in bottled water stocks!
    trubtold

    Fight it in court. Seems to me if they know where and who dumped the CA causing agents they have a strong case.

    Invest now in bottle water stocks......really chicken little?

  • signify6644 Sep 21, 3:18 p.m.

    These environmental groups need to be sued NOW for all the jobs they have killed. In the billions, I am sure.

  • trubtold Sep 21, 2:47 p.m.

    Have you talked to those families in Wake Forest who own homes that are now worthless because of their polluted well water from cancer causing agents. Fracking will eventually get into the water systems if allowed. Nothing is foolproof. These companies and politicians will come in get their money off this deal and get out as fast as they can, leaving the citizens of NC with a mess and huge cleanup bill. Invest now in bottled water stocks!

  • FAQ-U Sep 21, 10:47 a.m.

    "the people of their area have been positively effected with jobs,"

    for a few years at best...

    " timber to heat their houses when they cleared the land,"

    and thats a good thing?

    " business moving in to support the workers and families."

    as they would in 20 years time when the gas is worth a lot more.....

    NEGATIVE, NEGATIVE, NEGATIVE

    WOW where do you live? you need to come back to reality we need energy now not in 20 years. When are jobs bad? Would you rather they left the wood to rot or give it away to those who want and would benefit from it?

    What energy solution do you propose?

  • FAQ-U Sep 21, 10:43 a.m.

    and likewise saying it won't does not mean it will not. What we do know however, that not fracking will do no harm at all. The gas has been there for millions of years....a few more won't hurt.....and if we can find a clean way to get it out then it will be worth more then, than now.
    Crabbit Cratur

    I will be the first to admit there is no 100% clean reliable way to get _____ out of the ground. Does that mean we do NOTHING? We just sit and wait for.......what....if this was the case we wouldn't have the things we have today. What if we didn't move forward because a few would be negatively affected, where would we be then? To make an omelette you have to break some eggs. Your false utopia where everything is safe and beautiful dosent exist, progress is ugly but necessary

  • Crabbit Cratur Sep 21, 10:30 a.m.

    "the people of their area have been positively effected with jobs,"

    for a few years at best...

    " timber to heat their houses when they cleared the land,"

    and thats a good thing?

    " business moving in to support the workers and families."

    as they would in 20 years time when the gas is worth a lot more.....

  • Crabbit Cratur Sep 21, 10:28 a.m.

    "Saying it will cause problems does not mean it will."

    and likewise saying it won't does not mean it will not. What we do know however, that not fracking will do no harm at all.
    The gas has been there for millions of years....a few more won't hurt.....and if we can find a clean way to get it out then it will be worth more then, than now.

  • RKBA Sep 21, 10:12 a.m.

    Saying it will cause problems does not mean it will.

  • Luvthesky Sep 21, 10:05 a.m.

    @Bost
    uh...we do know it to be devastating to our natural environment. thats why almost anyone that is not an extreme political partisan and cares about humans, and our environment, know that fracking in every location it's been done has done damage to the very thing humans depend on for life..WATER!

    Thanks Bost...agree with everything that you wrote. Conservative here and I am thinking this should not be turned into partisan issue. NC Say NO TO FRACKING!!!

  • FAQ-U Sep 21, 9:57 a.m.

    I have family members in PA who were forced to move from their home of over 30 years because the local Fracking made their well water undrinkable. Their only way to get water was to have it trucked in.

    I am glad your friend living in PA 1/2 mile from a Fracking site does not have issues today. They will simply have to wait about 5 years for their well to be contaminated & water undrinkable based on the calculations showing the drilling chemicals move at an average of 500 feet per year through permeable rock.
    westernwake1
    September 21, 2012 9:39 a.m.

    Going on 7 years now, no issues, no well problems. Everyone know someone that it has negatively effected, the people of their area have been positively effected with jobs, timber to heat their houses when they cleared the land, business moving in to support the workers and families.

  • for the people Sep 21, 9:44 a.m.

    streetglide...you are fear mongering. If fracking polluted water supplies we would know it. Fracking has been proven to be a safe and effective way to obtain natural gas. Better the gas taken out of the rocks than allow them to remain there where they can filter into our water supply naturally...don't you think? lessismore

    uh...we do know it to be devastating to our natural environment. thats why almost anyone that is not an extreme political partisan and cares about humans, and our environment, know that fracking in every location it's been done has done damage to the very thing humans depend on for life..WATER!

    fracking is disgusting. say NO to fracking in our great state of north carolina.

    besides that, there isn't enough natural gas in our great state for the greedy gas companies and greedy politicians to drill for.

  • westernwake1 Sep 21, 9:39 a.m.

    "I have friends in PA that live less than 1/2 mile from a fracking well with no issues. DRILL BABY! DRILL!" - FAQ-U

    I have family members in PA who were forced to move from their home of over 30 years because the local Fracking made their well water undrinkable. Their only way to get water was to have it trucked in.

    I am glad your friend living in PA 1/2 mile from a Fracking site does not have issues today. They will simply have to wait about 5 years for their well to be contaminated & water undrinkable based on the calculations showing the drilling chemicals move at an average of 500 feet per year through permeable rock.

  • lessismore Sep 21, 9:37 a.m.

    Rebelyell55....what damage, later on? What's the risks?

  • Rebelyell55 Sep 21, 9:25 a.m.

    And people like you would be the first to whine and moan when energy is too expensive to heat your home in winter. Better get used to the cold.

    timexliving
    September 20, 2012 7:57 p.m.
    ....If you really think this going to low energy cost in NC, ya ain't got a clue. Do some research, this won't change a thing in NC, except an increase in taxes to cover cost of damage later on.

  • piknowles4 Sep 21, 9:23 a.m.

    There's not enough natural gas to mess with under the state. Quit worrying.

  • Rebelyell55 Sep 21, 9:22 a.m.

    People concentrate on pollution of our drinking water and seem to over look the other concerns which have been menition in serveral report in other states, and that the damage to roads and bridges, that we the tax payers have to pay for. Don't think it won't be a cost you and your children for years to come. Only a very small few will benefit from this, while the rest of us,(even in county that won't have the fracking) will end of paying more for this. Wake up, this is not good for NC. At least leave it there for future generation who will need it more than we do now.

  • lessismore Sep 21, 9:14 a.m.

    streetglide...you are fear mongering. If fracking polluted water supplies we would know it. Fracking has been proven to be a safe and effective way to obtain natural gas. Better the gas taken out of the rocks than allow them to remain there where they can filter into our water supply naturally...don't you think?

  • streetglide Sep 21, 9:00 a.m.

    people mention no issue in Penn. well I beg to differ,, see the facts, follow the money and then make an opinion. The gains are far less than the potential disaster. if you drink "city" water, I can see you having no issue, but ask the recent people in Raleigh about bad wells and how important water is to live and once it happens, it could take years to rectify. We seem to have put more value on our cars, heating, luxury itmes "so to speak" instead of quaility of life now and for the next generation. the Bottom line NC will have the clean up bill if something was to happen, and I think we all know how that will go !! "just my 2 cents, praise mother earth !!

  • lessismore Sep 21, 8:51 a.m.

    Why isn't Environment North Carolina protesting the poultry slaugher house that's about to be built on the Tar river in Nash County? That one facility will pollute our water supply for hundreds upon hundreds of square miles and destroy property values. If the environment is important, why aren't they protesting????? Not a peep from them to help citizens of Nash and Wilson Counties.

  • lessismore Sep 21, 8:41 a.m.

    These are the same people that believe wind and solar are the answers to our energy needs...

  • FAQ-U Sep 21, 8:17 a.m.

    No to coal, nuke, fracking, oil, ANWR........what are supposed to use unicorn poo and Obama promises? Solar wont do it and wind is a joke, we need energy now and we need to tap our own resources.

    I have friends in PA that live less than 1/2 mile from a fracking well with no issues. DRILL BABY! DRILL!

  • timexliving Sep 20, 7:57 p.m.

    "Be nice if we could stop this before it get going . . ."

    And people like you would be the first to whine and moan when energy is too expensive to heat your home in winter. Better get used to the cold.

  • Rebelyell55 Sep 20, 7:54 p.m.

    I think it is absurd that North Carolina passed a law saying Gas Companies have no liability whatsoever for disasters caused by their operations.

    westernwake1
    September 20, 2012 6:44 p.m....Whatelse would ya expect, they paid for and owned by corp. America.

  • Rebelyell55 Sep 20, 7:52 p.m.

    Be nice if we could stop this before it get going, but the pay off been made and the officals are in the corp. pockets.

  • westernwake1 Sep 20, 6:44 p.m.

    Does anyone else but me believe the Gas Companies should be financially liable for the environmental clean-up of any problems caused by their fracking operations?

    I think it is absurd that North Carolina passed a law saying Gas Companies have no liability whatsoever for disasters caused by their operations.

  • Ripcord Sep 20, 6:35 p.m.

    "Want flammable tap water?"

    The flammable tap water you refer to (Pennsylvania) has been that way for over 100 years, long before fracking ever existed. It has nothing to do with fracking.

  • tran Sep 20, 6:04 p.m.

    There's not much of a debate.

    Look what's happened to places that allowed fracking. Want flammable tap water? Want to rely on trucked in water? Want earthquakes? Then allow the frackers to come in and frack the place real good.

  • hi_i_am_wade Sep 20, 5:45 p.m.

    Let me tell you this in truth: Environmentalist are, by far, the most dishonest people there are. They are much more dishonest than politicians. I am not joking or using a hyperbole. It is true. Don't believe me? I will give you 1 sample.

    I have a link that shows the person who made the video that condemns fracking, Gasland, purposefully and knowingly left off facts that contradicted his claims and took direct action to block the facts from appearing.
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/06/04/the-gasland-movie-a-fracking-shame-director-pulls-video-to-hide-inconvenient-truths/

    If you want to be an enemy of environmentalists, have the audacity of asking for proof that can be reproduced by others, the audacity for asking scientists to follow the scientific method, and the audacity for asking scientists to comply with the Freedom of Information Act.

  • Luv2Camp Sep 20, 5:30 p.m.

    The enviro group has its own profit motive as well. Don't forget that scaring folks about POSSIBILITIES is how they justify their salaries.

  • Thought Criminal WS Sep 20, 5:07 p.m.

    I do not trust anyone motivated by profit with our safety.

    I do not think they can frack safely. HECK we can't even crush stone without impacting surrounding areas! (I worked in the aggregate industry for a year) There's no rush or need for this gas at this time and think it best left alone.

    I lived near Jersey as well, and the smell this will add isn't worth the $'s or these jobs.

  • davidgnews Sep 20, 4:36 p.m.

    McCrory's latest commercial is saying in mild terms that fracking and drilling will come to pass if he is elected.

  • Whatever27 Sep 20, 4:35 p.m.

    It seems silly to me that this is even a debate at all. I just read a recent article about the effects of fracking in Ohio. Not good. It contaminates the water supply and uses millions of gallons of fresh water. Fresh water is not an infinite resource people.

  • Boycott_WRAL_Advertisers Sep 20, 4:30 p.m.

    Search for "Fracking the untold story" and you can watch how devastating this procedure is to people's lives.

    Fracking chemicals are linked to numerous heath problems in the areas it's allowed. -- developmental/brain/nervous system disorders -- bone/liver/breast cancers -- gastrointestinal/circulatory/respiratory problems.

    Do your research and use common sense to know how unwise it is to inject these poisonous chemicals where they can leak into YOUR drinking water.

  • 1983rs Sep 20, 4:16 p.m.

    look at the well situation in wake forrest,, history may not repeat but its often quite similar.. money made, money gone, locals pay the bill(in more than just dollars)

  • for the people Sep 20, 4:16 p.m.

    let the dimwits chase natural gas in nc. there isn't enough of it in this state anyway, and the evironmental destroyers will have to go someplace else to do the disgusting fracking. it's the same dimwits that think we can just put oil drilling rigs on the coast of nc and everything will be peachy...but there isn't that much oil off our gorgous coast due to the outter banks being positioned the way they are. thank god!

  • meeper Sep 20, 4:12 p.m.

    Heaven forbid if liberals would ever allow us to create a job that involved drilling for energy.

  • peterpepper Sep 20, 4:12 p.m.

    Real nice.
    Let the gas companies ruin our land, pollute our water, air and ground then walk off and leave us taxpayers to pay for the damages. Gas companies have TOO Much power and too little responsibility when it comes to drilling for gas.
    Thank you NC legislators for signing us on for disaster.
    Also, if anyone cares to see the " interests" of the NC Mining and energy commission members you can go look here at the occupations and areas of expertise they are in, very scary thought to know our future is in THEIR hands !!
    http://portal.ncdenr.org/web/mining-and-energy-commission/members-information

  • Obamacare has risen Sep 20, 4:08 p.m.

    BubbaDukeforPresident

    Personally, I'm doing just fine. Thanks Obama!

  • pdbullard Sep 20, 4:07 p.m.

    "Guess now would be a great time to point out to you that Natural Gas prices nationwide are at historic lows, and NC has nowhere near the reserves to make it economically viable to go after the gas at today's prices. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your rant. They never do."

    I am sure the drilling companies know the economic and won't drill if is not expected to be profitable. That is what we said about oil once.

  • BubbaDukeforPresident Sep 20, 4:01 p.m.

    "Let's don't worry about what Obama will do to this country over the next four years"....after all, he's almost black and that makes him cool; plus he's an accomplished liar. When Obama says we all must sacrifice, he doesn't include himself or his family. Unlike other Presidents that take vacations back at home on their ranches, the Obamas like to use two jets to go to Hawaii and Europe. They think nothing of soaking the American taxpayers with $50,000 a week mansion rentals in Martha's Vinyard. Obama has played over 400 rounds of golf while millions of Americans are looking for work. Michelle serves food in a homeless shelter wearing $540 sneakers and dresses that cost five figures. The rules don't apply to the Obamas, and all those people who thought they'd not have to worry about putting gas in their cars and the government paying someone to watch their kids just keep on singing his praises as though he's done something for them.

  • wayneboyd Sep 20, 4:01 p.m.

    Boneymarony..That's a great idea, then by the time the Edwards law firms get through with sueing the project it will be cheaper to frack on the moon.

  • aewagner87 Sep 20, 3:58 p.m.

    @RAA0013
    "Environmental groups always fear the worst and come to worst case conclusions. I am so over them and their fear tactics!"

    Really? And have you personally done research to learn about fracking from both sides of the story? I think not it's not just tree huggers that are against fracking it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that injecting chemicals in the ground to extract natural gas would have consequenses. Don't believe me just look at the places where it is allowed.

    Does anyone know where/how we can go about supporting/convincing NC Government not to allow this? We got to vote on Ammendment 1 but not a huge issue like this. Absolutley rediculus. Its hard working citizens like you and me that pay the taxes and obviously we aren't worthy enough to be part of something that affects our state as a whole.

  • boneymaroney13 Sep 20, 3:32 p.m.

    "Let's don't worry about what our children will do for clean water....Let's just go ahead and do this thing . . . . " This is the very logic you libs are using with your obama tax and spend. let the kids pay for it!!!!

  • Crabbit Cratur Sep 20, 3:31 p.m.

    'Environmental groups always fear the worst and come to worst case conclusions. I am so over them and their fear tactics!"

    yeah its not as if we have ever fouled up our planet before...oh wait.....

  • Luvthesky Sep 20, 3:11 p.m.

    Perhaps the "opponents of fracking" actually think about the future with common sense and actually understand what a risk it really is to put our clean water supply at stake for a couple of years of NG. The proponents for fracking strike me as only thinking of themselves in the here and now. Let's don't worry about what our children will do for clean water....Let's just go ahead and do this thing and if it contaminates our water and land, we'll just find another natural resource to take water's place - NOT!!

  • Gunny the Racist Sep 20, 3:09 p.m.

    And the ocean will be 100 feet higher in 10 years!! The sky is falling!

  • yankee1 Sep 20, 3:08 p.m.

    http://democrats.energycommerce.house.gov

    Democrats in the title of the web site is all I need to convince me it's phony!!

  • Dark of the Moon Sep 20, 3:07 p.m.

    THE ENVIRONMENTAL LOONS NEED TO EDUCATE THEMSELVES, SO THEY STOP SOUNDING LIKE FOOLS.

    HERE, I WILL HELP THEM OUT:

    http://www.efdsystems.org/

    DARK OF THE MOON

  • RAA0013 Sep 20, 3:04 p.m.

    Environmental groups always fear the worst and come to worst case conclusions. I am so over them and their fear tactics!

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