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  • BigOski Sep 19, 11:14 a.m.

    Dogs beg. Why is UNC faculty begging. Good Lord, how bad is it over there in CH right now?

  • DrJ Sep 19, 11:00 a.m.

    NCSU84 wrote: "WRAL nees to eef up their investigation team."

    I agree, WRAL. And while you're at it, start firing off some FOI requests to NC State. There's a reason why characters like TA McLendon, Chuck Amato, and Chris Washburn have always been welcome over there. All you have to do is look a little.

  • southraleigh Sep 19, 10:49 a.m.

    Does the faculty not realize that they're providing yet another example of UNC employees willing to overlook corruption in order to keep colleagues in place? They're a national embarrassment. Thorp either knew what was going on or he was criminally ignorant. He was on the trips with them in 2009 and didn't confront Kupec about it until 2012? And still has the gall to say he was the one betrayed? You can't lead when your own example is that it's acceptable to overlook illicit behavior until you're caught, and then attempt to place the blame elsewhere.

    His culpability would be obvious to a child. The most honorable thing he's done is to resign. It's time to move on.

  • artist Sep 19, 10:11 a.m.

    Under his severance package, which is common in academia, he will maintain his $420,000 chancellor's salary for a year, and it will then be lowered to 60 percent of that as he returns to the classroom and laboratory.

    Typical. Wonder why college is so expensive.

  • TooManyIdiots Sep 19, 10:06 a.m.

    this is ridiculous:
    "Under his severance package, which is common in academia, he will maintain his $420,000 chancellor's salary for a year, and it will then be lowered to 60 percent of that as he returns to the classroom and laboratory."

  • NCSU84 Sep 19, 9:49 a.m.

    N&O has more thorough articles than WRAL on these scandels at UNC. WRAL nees to eef up their investigation team. There is more at UNC that will be coming out in the next 30-40 days. And the N&O will be the lead on this, not WRAL....

  • westernwake1 Sep 19, 9:42 a.m.

    "No surprise. Most instructors want to be assured that there will be no performance management." - truthmatterstome2

    ...and that they still can make lots of money from scams like no-show classes with high grades awarded.

  • superman Sep 19, 8:17 a.m.

    Thorpe needs to go. Any staff members who have concerns or issues should also consider packing their breifcase and leave. If you dont care about the corruption you really dont need to be there.

  • truthmatterstome2 Sep 18, 7:56 p.m.

    No surprise. Most instructors want to be assured that there will be no performance management.

  • ehart Sep 18, 7:32 p.m.

    Thorp needs to go and take Williams with him.
    The whole school reeks of scandal now.
    Time to clean house all the way through.

  • Michael Scott Sep 18, 7:32 p.m.

    hahahah Beg....

  • thewayitis Sep 18, 6:56 p.m.

    Oh, pul-lease. Let the man go. All this faculty rah-rah stuff is making me ill.

  • bdaughtry2 Sep 18, 6:34 p.m.

    "UNC faculty give Thorp standing ovation"

    And that folks, is all the proof you need that UNC is an embarrassment to NC. That town and university has completely lost it's way.

  • superman Sep 18, 6:24 p.m.

    What did they do? Cancel all classes for the afternoon for their do nothing meeting? How do professors have the authority to cancel classes.He has worked there a long time and he would have been aware of these problems from the beginning. Why didnt he fix them?

  • SaveEnergyMan Sep 18, 6:14 p.m.

    "College faculty/professors have shown time and time again (at my alma mater of NCSU as well) that they have no clue about personal and leadership accountability. Thorp did the right thing. It probably should have happened even sooner." -wrx44

    Very true. They feel comraderie with Thorp being fellow faculty members. Most faculty have narrow minded views that ignores the big picture of a leader having to be accountable for problems under his watch. They feel threatened by a system could do the same to them for what they see as a dismissal for no fault of his own.

  • metkenw Sep 18, 6:13 p.m.

    "A nice guy maybe but like so many liberals, thinking that because he would not cheat no one else would." -- metkenw

    Unlike most conservatives, who think that just because THEY cheat, EVERYBODY does!

    Senseless response. The system needs checks and balances. Sadly, in today's world even you liberals are suspect. Look at what has happened here. What a disaster.

  • Run4orest Sep 18, 5:37 p.m.

    He was my chemistry professor for 2 semesters, and a great one at that. He was also good at remembering everyone's name- which was in retrospect a sign of things to come.

    At any rate, I wish him all the best!

  • atheistswillrule Sep 18, 5:34 p.m.

    His comments were right on target!!! He said what most people are thinking which is what we want in a President. Someone who speaks the truth whether it makes us angry or not. moose

    How ignorant. Not only is Thorp the most intellectual chancellor that the system has ever known, he is the ONLY one to stand up to the Ram's Club ( Good old Boy) sports mentality, but he also had the nerve to order an investigation of the Afro-American department. Thorp cares not for the politics. He loves teaching and has high morals. He will be missed by many here in Chapel Hill.

  • pinball wizard Sep 18, 5:21 p.m.

    Now the BOT have called another emergency meeting. I guess it is to meet with the PR firm on how to handle the next scandal.

  • Southern Girl Sep 18, 5:10 p.m.

    Strange.

  • davido Sep 18, 5:09 p.m.

    If I were him, I would be really happy to be getting back to some chemistry. I am relieved for him and wish him and his family the best.

  • hollylama Sep 18, 5:02 p.m.

    Overhaul all government institutions.

  • hollylama Sep 18, 5:01 p.m.

    I agree with Balog. He was an awesome professor and students loved him but sometimes the awesome individuals make excellent scapegoats.

  • Objective Scientist Sep 18, 4:59 p.m.

    "Are these the same professors that say the University should continue paying one of their own as he sits in a South American prison accused of drug smuggling? ...over 81% of "us yokels" think he should resign in a local poll." - post by morgannyy - September 18, 2012 4:49 p.m.

    morgannyy... my perspective is that there is a relatively small group of professors who support that professor continuing to receive his salary. Most likely think the notion of him continuing to receive his salary under those circumstances is RIDICULOUS! Unfortunately the majority is often "painted with the same brush" as the minority in such cases. In fact... the Provost of the University made the decision to put a STOP on his salary. He is not being paid... even though some - a relatively small group of professors - feel very strongly that he should continue to receive a paycheck. My own opinion... his pay should have been stopped the minute he was incarcerated. To think otherwise is foolish!!!

  • wrx44 Sep 18, 4:58 p.m.

    College faculty/professors have shown time and time again (at my alma mater of NCSU as well) that they have no clue about personal and leadership accountability. Thorp did the right thing. It probably should have happened even sooner.

  • morgannyy Sep 18, 4:54 p.m.

    Afraid of what the new chancellor may discover!

  • iknowjack Sep 18, 4:54 p.m.

    For quitting? Yeah, I'd stand up and clap too.

  • morgannyy Sep 18, 4:49 p.m.

    Are these the same professors that say the University should continue paying one of their own as he sits in a South American prison accused of drug smuggling?

    over 81% of "us yokels" think he should resign in a local poll.

  • Objective Scientist Sep 18, 4:42 p.m.

    I have been in positions affording me a view of - the perspective of both NC "blue collar" and "non-academic" workers/professions and that of "University professors". To a significant degree those two groups do NOT "understand" each other! To the typical "non-academic" North Carolinian the notion that the faculty of the University vigorously supports the Chancellor given the circumstances of the past several years is "befuddling" at minimum! Likewise for vigorous support of some faculty for the professor - imprisoned in a foreign country on another continent - who insists he is continuing to "do his job" and should therefore continue to receive his salary. Many would say... "You've got to be KIDDING!" In such instances the typical non-academic is likely thinking such a claim is truly incredulous and makes "no sense at all" - except to "pointy-headed" professors who have no "common-sense". Professors frequently fail to understand/consider how their actions appear to the non-academic!!!

  • timtooltime777 Sep 18, 4:24 p.m.

    If there is tax money involed he should be thrown in jail, but the good ol boy system in this state protects them ! Right State Att. General ?

  • cwood0817 Sep 18, 4:23 p.m.

    Thorpe may have done an outstanding job-most do not know. However, many things have happened on his watch that cast very unfavorable tones and questions concerning UNC. Some have been good people doing very unprofessional things(Matt and Tami). Butch Davis may have been caught up in all of this(I doubt that seriously)-but, the buck stopped somewhere!

    I'll ask the question which asked of Thorpe's accountability. 13K in parking tickets and who did not know??? To get transcripts, register for classes next semester, or other basic tasks on campus, book fines and traffic violations must be cleared-right?? And these guys got away with tickets-why?? How?? This is just strange happenings!!

    That's why he must step down. After a while-coincidence becomes something else-competence-looking the other way-winks-noods-...

    If UNC wants to stay as THE UNIVERSITY, Thorpe had to go!!

    Otherwise, the flagship moves to Hillsborough St-might ought to anyway!!

  • forautumn Sep 18, 4:20 p.m.

    "Only at unc. Huge athletic and academic scandal, all these resignations and everybody is patting themselves on the back and "job well done." Sickening"

    Really? So that is your takeaway from this? One guy getting support from the faculty and everyone is saying "job well done"?

    Sure.

  • stevee2 Sep 18, 4:15 p.m.

    If he is the fall guy because the "continuing to surface scandals" occured during his watch, then so be it.

  • FVHowler Sep 18, 4:15 p.m.

    Only at unc. Huge athletic and academic scandal, all these resignations and everybody is patting themselves on the back and "job well done." Sickening.

  • forautumn Sep 18, 4:10 p.m.

    "The whole place stinks of corruption and coverup. They need mass transit to move some of those people out."

    Of course it does.

  • forautumn Sep 18, 4:10 p.m.

    "Time for a change.......those rallying behind him are probably thinking their cushy little jobs may be on the line!"

    Really? Do tell how a faculty member in Insert a Department has a job that is in danger?

  • beachlvr0804 Sep 18, 4:04 p.m.

    Time for a change.......those rallying behind him are probably thinking their cushy little jobs may be on the line!

  • superman Sep 18, 3:43 p.m.

    The whole place stinks of corruption and coverup. They need mass transit to move some of those people out.

  • reilteam Sep 18, 3:32 p.m.

    When they hire a replacement I hope they move beyond hiring someone from the "Carolina family".

    They need an outsider, someone with a different perspective, new ideas, new blood, no baggage from previous positions held in the UNC System, and no clue whatsoever about the meaning of the phrase "the Carolina way".

  • balog Sep 18, 3:13 p.m.

    Look, I am liberal and I have a little more knowledge of this guy then others. He needs to go, not for good. He is simply in way over his head. He was when he took the job. He ha very little experience and time in directing large operations. A year as dept. head in chem dept. a year and a half as dean of college of a&s - this is simply not enough time to wrap your head around everything and maintain a good juggle. I could have seen him cutting his teeth at UNC Ash. or Greensboro first for 4 or 5 years and then maybe move into the bigger university system. It was just too much for him.

  • carolinablueline Sep 18, 3:07 p.m.

    Do the same faculty that are ralling to support Thorp also suppor tthe AFAM faculty and staff that are part ogf the reason for his resignation? The answer to that question would go a long ways to show if they are merely supporting the status quo, which seems to be anything goes, so long as its for the cause of higher education...

    As for the resignation, he may be the best guy in the world, but it seems clear he was in over his head and its past time for a change.

  • jburack Sep 18, 3:01 p.m.

    I can imagine the stress is under, But to leave as chancellor is wrong move, hang in there , youv'e done a good job. Don't let a couple of incidents make you step down. Its hard for anybody to be everywhere at the same time, you have the backing of the board so stay and make changes that will be positive for UNC.

  • BigOski Sep 18, 2:44 p.m.

    unc70
    It is distubing when the flagship University of North Carolina cannot seem to shake its troubles. Spectulative question but can anyone honestly say Thorp did not know anything? If he did not then he was not in charge to the capacity he should have been or did he turn a blind eye?

  • unc70 Sep 18, 2:35 p.m.

    The faculty Is trying to convince Thorp not to resign. Many members of the Board have tried to do the same.

    The posts on this thread are among the least informed I can remember, quite a statement for this site. The general tone of these posts is so anti The University it is disturbing.

  • Yeah I know Sep 18, 2:32 p.m.

    No doubt about it. Holden Thorpe is an honorable person and a great guy.

  • OpenM1nd Sep 18, 2:31 p.m.

    Thorp's a good man. He's been too tough on himself. The scandals have created too much stress for anyone to shoulder, except for possibly those responsible for causing them, go figure. However, UNC Chemistry students still have much to gain by his presence and example. For at least that we should be truly grateful.

  • bombayrunner Sep 18, 2:22 p.m.

    People who write nasty things don't know this Holden. He is one of the 'good guys'.

  • heelrox Sep 18, 2:11 p.m.

    Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

  • jdupree Sep 18, 2:04 p.m.

    They need to read the ESPN write up on this. They would be even more embarrased. Swofford, the head of the ACC should resign as he was Athletic Director when this mess started!

  • davidk_at_unc Sep 18, 1:54 p.m.

    "A nice guy maybe but like so many liberals, thinking that because he would not cheat no one else would." -- metkenw

    Unlike most conservatives, who think that just because THEY cheat, EVERYBODY does!

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