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weasel2 Sep 18, 10:11 a.m.
The initial story stated that Thorpe would receive 1 year of regular pay after stepping down. Don't see anything mentioned here about it. If its true, everybody needs to work for the state if they can work and then quit but still receive a years salary.
DA unwashed Mob Sep 18, 9:06 a.m.
So Thorpe flew with Kupec and Lucious Hansbrough.
Was he the camera man?
Gunny Loves Duke Sep 17, 6:52 p.m.
I am deeply saddened that Chancellor Thorp has stepped down. I can't help but feel that he took the fall for issues that started before he became Chancellor and for issues he had nothing to do with. While this step is necessary in the healing process for Carolina, it is unfair and a sad day for the Tar Heel family. The only solice I can take is that Thorp will remain on the staff and teach, which was his original calling.
TruthBKnown Banned Again02 Sep 17, 6:02 p.m.
lauradaughtryxx, thanks for the link!
The good news just KEEPS flowing for NC State today, I tell ya!
lauradaughtryxx Sep 17, 5:14 p.m.
CAROLINA43- Um, did you even go back and read whatever you typed before you posted it? That wasn't even English.
Drop the "flagship" ridiculousness. Everyone is embarrassed for you BUT you.
Oh, and that's why North Carolina State University made this list and Carolina is no where to be found, correct? Take your "flagship" school and shove it: http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-finance/2012/09/14/top-value-4-year-colleges-around-us/
Six String Sep 17, 3:34 p.m.
"To err is human, to find a way to blame others for the error makes one management material."
Now that I've dried my tears and stopped laughing, do you mind if I use that at work??? I'm close to retirement, may as well get closer.
mpheels Sep 17, 3:20 p.m.
me2you - I get what you're saying, but in this case Thorp was directly responsible for at least part of the mess. Tami Hansbrough was hired on his watch. He knew it was inappropriate for her to work under Kupec, but allowed her hiring in essentially the same position but with a different supervisor (in name only). Thorp was Kupec's direct supervisor, but was completely unaware of dozens of questionable trips. It is entirely possible the board of trustees instructed him to keep quiet and let things go (I actually fairly certain that did happen). Still, that does not save his job. Thorp is a nice guy, and a good teacher and researcher. He just wasn't a good chancellor. A good chancellor needs to be able to stand up to the board in private when needed, but put on a good public face at all times. Thorp isn't very good at either. He's been steamrolled by trustees, alumni, coaches... Then failed a PR and damage control.
me2you Sep 17, 3:07 p.m.
How is he directly responsible for other people's actions? I don't get this mentality of ... fire whoever is at the top because people who are elsewhere in the university decide to be dishonest and deceiving.
V Vet 72-75 Sep 17, 3:05 p.m.
So when he goes back to being a Chemistry Prof., will he keep the same pay?
blisstate Sep 17, 2:47 p.m.
UNC's problems start and end with the board trustees, political appointiees infatuated with UNC sports and access. The resolution is to remove the politically corrupt board with one resolved to academic excellence and student achievement.
DA unwashed Mob Sep 17, 2:46 p.m.
How much excess cash is there at UNC?
No one has gotten fired....yet.
Everyone involved as part of the rouge department, or rogue tutor, or rouge coach, or rouge athletic director, or rouge fundraiser, or rouge vice chancellor, or rouge chancellor, has pretty much kept their payscale, or been bought out ($2.7 million reasons to keep quiet).
When does someone get fired? When does UNC run out of cash to cover this up?
Keep in mind, either directly or indirectly, this scandal is leveraged on the backs of the North Carolina tax payer. One way or another, your taxes are affected by this corruption.
debrablack22 Sep 17, 2:46 p.m.
Finally! He needs to go now.
lec02572 Sep 17, 2:45 p.m.
Told u the endorsement last week was the kiss of death and he would be gone within a week.
cwood0817 Sep 17, 2:41 p.m.
13K in parking tickets and nobody knew??? Right-I have this mountain on the Outer Banks with great views-right!!
Meet the new flagship of the System-GO PACK!!!!
Kick the heels-again!!
DA unwashed Mob Sep 17, 2:40 p.m.
With the departure of Thorpe, can the Gov. Martin report be deemed impotent at this juncture?
Seems as if the person who appointed the "independent" investigator himself has been forced to resign, we should be very careful just how much credence we place on the Gov. Martin investigation.
bdaughtry2 Sep 17, 2:31 p.m.
Top Value 4 Year Colleges: http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-finance/2012/09/14/top-value-4-year-colleges-around-us/
Not bad considering we're not a Tier 1 university.
dmccall Sep 17, 2:31 p.m.
What a shock...and it was all going so well.
JAT Sep 17, 2:29 p.m.
Sorry it had to come to this but he stepped in at a bad time - too much of what happened started before he got there. He was sort of like Matt Doherty - they really wanted Roy but couldn't get him when they wanted him so they put Matt there. Sad that the university is going to have to spend millions of dollars to try to find a new chancelor.
clc72 Sep 17, 2:25 p.m.
All of this talk about Thorpe being a "good" man and doing the "honorable" thing is confusing. I don't know him personally, but I'm not sure what him being a "good" man has to do with any of this. Stepping down as chancellor isn't about honor, or doing the right thing, it's about him being caught looking the other way on one too many occasions. If anyone honestly thinks he would step down if he believed there was a chance he could survive this is wrong. If he was concerned about doing the honorable thing, he would have stepped down when this latest scandal broke instead of putting the University through a week of scrutiny in the press.
DA unwashed Mob Sep 17, 2:24 p.m.
Who do you want next? ACC commish and formed UNC AD Swafford, or Ol' Roy? Time to decide who the next in line to go will be.
bombayrunner Sep 17, 2:21 p.m.
At least he can leave knowing its on his terms.
DA unwashed Mob Sep 17, 2:20 p.m.
TBK, you are the king !!!
bombayrunner Sep 17, 2:18 p.m.
thats too bad. cheaters on the football team, dead students, staff in sexual affairs & misappropriating funds. How much more can the guy take. the school aint good enough for him.
beachboater Sep 17, 2:01 p.m.
I'm not a Carolina fan, and I really don't know much about Thorpe. But I think he did the honorable thing to resign. He is the "boss" and he is responsible for what occurs on his watch.
I have heard a lot of good things about Thorpe, but from what I've read today, he certainly isn't liked by all. Regardless, I think he did the right thing by resigning, and it did need to happen.
civilservant01 Sep 17, 1:45 p.m.
Holden Thorp is a good man. I am confident that he led UNC-CH in the best way he possibly could in light of all of the circumstances that were beyond his sole control. His decision to step down as leader at UNC-CH is an honorable one, he's doing what he thinks is best for the university. He has my admiration. I'm not a TARHEEL fan; but I am a fan of a man who tried to do what's right for the University he loves.
TsKaMF Sep 17, 1:43 p.m.
All this mess & everybody STILL gets paid.
tran Sep 17, 1:42 p.m.
He's the latest to be thrown under bus. Who's next?
Uhavenoclu Sep 17, 1:41 p.m.
Looks like the story of joseph will be coming true here.TABLES ARE TURNING...So anyone who he overstepped and denied because he was higher then them and now are higher them him....Enjoy
CAROLINA43 Sep 17, 1:32 p.m.
We live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be manned by university chancellors. Who's gonna do it? You, Dook? You wolf-stank? The flagship, the University of North Carolina has a greater responsibility than any of you could possibly fathom. You weep for Yow and K, and you curse the "standard-bearer" of the ACC!!! You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what the Tarheels know. That Thorpe's resignation, while tragic, probably saved lives. And our existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives and wins championships. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want us on that field, you need us on that court. We use words likus honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending our numerous national and league titles. You use them as a punchline. We have neither the time nor the inclination to explain ourselves to haters who rise and sleep under the bla
imtiredofit Sep 17, 1:32 p.m.
Best news I've heard all day, but he should be gone immediately.
dsalter Sep 17, 1:28 p.m.
He was fired, no matter how they spin it. Those old enough to remember will recall that a certain NC State chancellor "resigned" as well. It was years before anyone admitted that Spangler gave him the boot. This will come out, too. In about ten years. Bellar1
And I remember how I felt as a fan. I attended my oldest son's graduation at State and a red and white piper cub with a banner saying, "Fire Monteith" circled the stadium while Maya Angelo was speaking. I hope State never sees days like that again, and I sympathize with the Carolina fans and what you are going through.
dsalter Sep 17, 1:24 p.m.
It's a pity such a prestigeous university has this type of bad media...mainly due to bad decisions in football, and it all seemed to generate from the hiring of Butch Davis.
Bellar1 Sep 17, 1:22 p.m.
He was fired, no matter how they spin it. Those old enough to remember will recall that a certain NC State chancellor "resigned" as well. It was years before anyone admitted that Spangler gave him the boot. This will come out, too. In about ten years.
superman Sep 17, 1:17 p.m.
My wife and I both graduated from ECU and it makes our heart sad to see big bro in such deep trouble. I think the flagship has hit a big iceberg and is slowly but surely sinking. Not a single person there who has the nerve to do anything.
immaannoid Sep 17, 1:15 p.m.
Hope they cut his pay.
Grandpeople Sep 17, 1:14 p.m.
Glad to see him go but it should be today! He will get enough to live off of for the rest of his life.
Red Sep 17, 1:13 p.m.
It would seem many of you view UNC or any univeristy as nothing more than a means to a ball game. I'd go so far as to say you use it as a substitute for actually going to college.
shakennotstirred Sep 17, 1:10 p.m.
Forautumn... the last bastion of unc apologists. No matter how bad the unc story is, she just picks and picks at abc'ers who just keep egging her on. Only a masochist would repeatedly return to a beating, day after day after day while complaining about her partners eye-liner...
TsKaMF Sep 17, 1:00 p.m.
This sure is fun !
MarcoPolo Sep 17, 12:56 p.m.
Betcha Thorpe's resignation has less to do with all the payoffs (including his own) and more about UNC-CHeat being rightfully and now publicly recognized as a diploma mill school.
Wouldn't surprise me at all if their accreditation was being at stake with all the known academic fraud and agents in the classroom? Don't worry, I'm sure they will try and pay off SACS too.
Obamacare again Sep 17, 12:54 p.m.
What a messed up University UNC is.
And no NCAA sanctions. Go figure.
tony57 Sep 17, 12:51 p.m.
"don't throw me in the briar patch".....similiar pay, tenure, all is forgotten. Maybe Thorpe and the afroamerican studies retired professor's "punishment" is a joke.....
Deacons Sep 17, 12:51 p.m.
What a messed up University UNC is.
moomoo Sep 17, 12:50 p.m.
To obamacare again:
There are already 2 teams that don't play ACC football--Notre Dame and Virginia--maybe Carolina can be the 3rd.
Road-wearier Sep 17, 12:48 p.m.
Still waiting for the size 13 basketball shoe to drop on ol' Roy...and may God help them if Thorp's taking a fall to protect Roy.
beckerunc Sep 17, 12:47 p.m.
Scandals at UNC do not make NCSU more attractive.
susiesw Sep 17, 12:46 p.m.
Flagship of the UNC system - muahahahaha!!!
JustKeepingItReal Sep 17, 12:45 p.m.
WRAL, This story is getting very complex and to some it is hard to follow and understand. Could you please do a hour long special on this history of this scandal? It would be great if you could explain the role of the Board of Governors along with Swofford's role with the Africa studies program.
westernwake1 Sep 17, 12:44 p.m.
I believe that Thorp resigning and moving on at the end of the year is a good resolution to this crisis. This allows time for the Board of Trustees to select a new leader and perform a transition.
Keep in mind that Mr. Thorp is not accused of any wrongdoing; the real issue is that university needs better leadership than Mr. Thorp has been providing. These are not grounds for immediate firing; a plan involving a transition period makes sense.
issymayake Sep 17, 12:43 p.m.
Now is this one of those resignations where he moves laterally at UNC, keeps a big pay check and keeps rolling along!
He was already a tenured professor. Does he not deserve those 'big checks'? Big checks is relative anyway. A PhD with over twenty years of academic experience commands a higher salary than a custodian. That's how capitalism works.
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03