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  • Offshore Aug 21, 8:31 a.m.

    Yes, droll atheistswillrule. The 30 acre minifarm I owned in Ohio, with the 50 acre farm to the west and the 200 acre farm to the right, I couldn't see my neighbors either. Yet I knew my neighbors very well. We often stopped by just to say "hi" as they did for us. I'm sorry you feel you have to live in a compound with gates to keep out the rifraf (neighbors).

  • Triumph Aug 20, 7:05 p.m.

    What's so good about living in Chapel Hill (and Orange County)? For starters, the highest per capita income in the state among all NC counties. The lowest unemployment rate in the state, the highest test scores among public school children, and a home mortgage market that didn't crash during the current recession. A cool place to live, work and raise a family, without the crowds (and crime) or Durham or Raleigh.

  • atheistswillrule Aug 20, 6:12 p.m.

    atheistswillrule 30 years and you only met your neighbor last year, do you come out to tell how many more weeks of winter we're going to have? offshore

    How droll of you. Where I am in Chapel Hill, I can't see any neighbors from my home. The back of my property is against botanical garden property, the land in front of me is part of a land trust and can't be built on. My neighbor to my left lives on 16 acres and has a gate, my neighbors to the right from what I understand, normally stay in Europe and only use the house when visiting relatives in the state. I have my own schedule and my property is not accessible to others either. It doesn't make me a hermit. I go out each and every day, just not with my neighbors.

  • Relic Aug 20, 6:01 p.m.

    Wait....are you telling me that places where people have very stringent zoning laws and keep their real estate values high are better and safer to live in? Wow. Who would have though?

  • Offshore Aug 20, 5:58 p.m.

    atheistswillrule
    30 years and you only met your neighbor last year, do you come out to tell how many more weeks of winter we're going to have?

  • smegma Aug 20, 5:49 p.m.

    "I love Cary and Chapel Hill...

    Chapel Hill 10th Cary-11th"

    and all we hear is "blahblahblahblahblah"

  • BlahBlahBlahBlahBlah Aug 20, 5:35 p.m.

    I love Cary and Chapel Hill...

    Chapel Hill 10th
    Cary-11th

  • atheistswillrule Aug 20, 5:19 p.m.

    I'd rather have a nosy neighbor who let the police know someone was breaking into my house than to have a neighbor I hadn't met in 30 years. hippiemom

    That madam, is why security systems were invented.

  • carrboroyouth Aug 20, 5:07 p.m.

    I love Chapel Hill.

  • BeenHereSince67 Aug 20, 5:03 p.m.

    Obamacare returns:

    Hmm, I quoted that from one of the earlier posts to this article which has now vanished mysteriously as stuff does on this board.

    Recent? How about the last 20 years? That would suit me. About that time (~1992), an article appeared in a magazine and/or was carried in the N&O, that stated that the population of the Triangle was going to TRIPLE from ~1992 till 2015. This was a stunning thing to grasp. Imagine the BIG metro YOU came from TRIPLING in population in 23 years! I'm native North Carolinian and have lived here since I came to NCSU in 1967. Really, the last 20 years of growth from intra-US immigration in the entire state, but especially in the Triangle, has changed NC too much, and not for the better in many ways. Not trying to hurt anybody's feelings, but most of us natives are unhappy with what the growth has done to our state. A very very few people have gotten filthy stinkin' rich off of it, & the rest of us have to deal with the consequences.

  • Hippy_mom Aug 20, 5:00 p.m.

    And Sumo Vita, that's a gross generalization. I know LOTS of people who have moved here because it's considered a conservative area. Think of all the past leaders of NC who built this state into what it is today. There were only a handful of Republicans. Most of them were Dems. Not all of us are red state right-wingers. It makes many of us natives weep to see the sea of beige condos and cookie cutter houses going up around us. One real estate agent even went so far as to post on her website that moving here doesn't even make you feel that you're in the South because you rarely hear a southern accent.

    How about this for a new chamber of commerce slogan: The Triangle—a great place to live except for all those pesky Southerners!

  • Hippy_mom Aug 20, 4:55 p.m.

    I wish all the towns in NC would drop off this list. We are growing too fast for the infrastructure we have in place. If you move here because you've heard it's friendly, there are jobs or for another reason, please don't complain when you can't find a seat in your preferred school or you can't find the perfect bagel or whatever. This area used to be friendly and genuine.

    As for respecting privacy, atheistswillrule, I'd rather have a nosy neighbor who let the police know someone was breaking into my house than to have a neighbor I hadn't met in 30 years. You can get to know your neighbors AND have respect for them.

  • atheistswillrule Aug 20, 4:37 p.m.

    Don't go to dollar movies, dollar stores, cheapest gas mart, fast foods, and have restrictive Zoning Laws...that's what Cary and Chapel Hill are good at, pricing out the poor & uneducated. djofraleigh

    Here in Chapel Hill we do not have a Walmart, nor will we ever. We don't do "dollar stores" ( whatever those are) We prefer to purchase from our own local businesses. We have excellent farmers markets with the very freshest produce ( i do have a guilty pleasure here...Trader Joe's & their black sea salt chocolate with caramel YUM). We have one of the safest cities around ( except when folks from Durham come over the county line like barbarians trying to sack Rome). I have lived here 30 years and only last year met my neighbor. ( we respect privacy). What is there not to love?

  • bdaughtry2 Aug 20, 4:29 p.m.

    > Really? So you're saying that they'd be accorded equal civil rights if only they'd ask nicely? - Sumo Vita

    Nope! I'm just saying that because of their nastiness, no one will even consider it. I really don't care what they do, but I am sick of hearing about it. What really burns me is we have more important things to worry about in this country, but they're also a selfish bunch.....they seem to care about nothing else.

  • djofraleigh Aug 20, 4:28 p.m.

    Well, you make a top ten list and make them proud and too, when you make that list, you make the rest of the towns feel left out and put down.

    Cary & Chapel Hill are both wealthy and white, and clean of dirty industry. Chapel Hill is flush with educated people insulated from most societal ills and insecurities. They both should rank high on anyone's list who can find jobs and afford to live there.

    Want to avoid the undesirable element?

    Don't go to dollar movies, dollar stores, cheapest gas mart, fast foods, and have restrictive Zoning Laws...that's what Cary and Chapel Hill are good at, pricing out the poor & uneducated.

  • Offshore Aug 20, 4:22 p.m.

    BeenHereSince67: The honest truth is that the only Native North Carolinians blah blah blah.

    Thankfully, where I'm from, we don't treat outsiders like you do. And I would be careful, I'm sure you don't speak for all the Native Carolinians as I know quite a few and we are great friends. Maybe because I treat them with the same respect I would want for myself.

    Thanks bdaughtry2.

  • Sumo Vita Aug 20, 4:19 p.m.

    "The gay & lesbian community should take note of their nastiness. Because it turns people off to their cause. They scream intolerance and insults at the top of their lungs at anyone that does not believe as they do.....and so they get push back like the resounding defeat in the marriage proposition."

    Really? So you're saying that they'd be accorded equal civil rights if only they'd ask nicely?

    And by the way, I have plenty of friends in the LGBT community and I've never seen or heard anyone "scream intolerance and insults at the top of their lungs" at anyone else. Were you attacked personally? And was it you that was the target, or your views?

  • djofraleigh Aug 20, 4:08 p.m.

    They name their magazine MONEY and they name Cary & Chapel Hill as good towns.

  • bdaughtry2 Aug 20, 4:04 p.m.

    > Sorry, that isn't the case any more. Big Agro is happy to ship in food from wherever in the planet they can grow and harvest it the cheapest. It's actually those terribly libruls in Chapel Hill that are most likely to buy local and sustainable.

    Oh, they buy it, but they can't grow it. When the price of gas reaches the same level here as Europe, then they want be able to ship food in from all over the world....then everything returns to locally grown again.

    The gay & lesbian community should take note of their nastiness. Because it turns people off to their cause. They scream intolerance and insults at the top of their lungs at anyone that does not believe as they do.....and so they get push back like the resounding defeat in the marriage proposition. They are their own worst enemies.

  • Obamacare returns Aug 20, 3:51 p.m.

    BeenHereSince67, define recent please.

  • Dan Cooper Aug 20, 3:50 p.m.

    Not mentioned, CH's town council is dysfunctional and the traffic is terrible for a town that size.

  • Sumo Vita Aug 20, 3:49 p.m.

    "Just remember, all those square corn fields and wheat farms near little towns with funny names and one traffic light are what supply you with the sustanance to live."

    Sorry, that isn't the case any more. Big Agro is happy to ship in food from wherever in the planet they can grow and harvest it the cheapest. It's actually those terribly libruls in Chapel Hill that are most likely to buy local and sustainable.

  • Sumo Vita Aug 20, 3:47 p.m.

    "By the way, please take your real estate agent, developer, AND builder with you as you go - they can always find more farm land to rape for a new over-priced sub-div built with Illegal workers there. "

    I heartily endorse that sentiment. Unfortunately, you native NC-ers tend to vote Republican, thereby assisting all those builders and developers with bringing in the best candidate that their money can buy.

  • bdaughtry2 Aug 20, 3:46 p.m.

    > As you well know, people of your ilk are NOT welcome here and we let you know that FAST.

    There you again....you and "your ilk" trying to tell people they are not welcome. Sounds like a line from Rahm Emanuel. But, just as he doesn't get to decide if Chick Filet can come into Chicago, you don't get to decide if I come to Chapel Hill.

  • Offshore Aug 20, 3:39 p.m.

    atheistswillrule:
    typical "chip on your shoulder" response. Just remember, all those square corn fields and wheat farms near little towns with funny names and one traffic light are what supply you with the sustanance to live. Once they are gone or God forbid, the apocalypse occurs, you and your friends will have nothing to eat. Looking down at "the little people" gets you nothing but a sore neck. Oh and thanks/credit to J.A.

  • BeenHereSince67 Aug 20, 3:38 p.m.

    "Good. All the recent transplants can move to ..."

    Back Where They Came From. Please, go back to wherever you moved here from, & then make YOUR home state a better place through your actions there. The honest truth is that the only Native North Carolinians who want lots of outsiders here are real estate agents, developers, & builders. If Raleigh is no longer on the list it's because of the wretched traffic, crowded everywhere, and lots of people with strange accents trying to tell us how they did it better in "Wherever, USA" they came from.

    Believe us when we say, "If you don't like the way we do things here, Delta is ready when you are. I guarantee!" (thanks Lewis Grizzard!) Move out of here, & we natives will toast your leaving. By the way, please take your real estate agent, developer, AND builder with you as you go - they can always find more farm land to rape for a new over-priced sub-div built with Illegal workers there.

    Thank You, and Have a Nice Day Somewhere

  • Sumo Vita Aug 20, 3:37 p.m.

    "As you well know, people of your ilk are NOT welcome here and we let you know that FAST."

    More power to you. It's one of the reasons that Chapel Hill made the list - it keeps the riffraff out.

  • bdaughtry2 Aug 20, 3:37 p.m.

    > I really wonder what sort hamlets all you Chapel Hill haters live in? What one stoplight town with a church on every corner and no business to speak of. Some greasy diner or combination gas station/ fast food joint as your " fine dining" establishment, and more people in the cemetery than in the town itself. Hate on haters! - atheistswillrule

    I don't hate Chapel Hill....just what has become of it. When I was at State, I had many friends in Chapel Hill, and spent as much time on Franklin St as Hillsborough St. But, people like you are an embarrassment to the City, the State, and yourselves and if you hate being surrounded by one-stop light towns, maybe you should avail yourself of those wonderful roads which YOU did not pay for.

  • atheistswillrule Aug 20, 3:31 p.m.

    See, that's the intolerance and name calling I was talking about. I didn't call you any names. I am tolerant of you because I pity you. bdaughtry2

    The feeling is mutual I assure you. Funny how when a liberal town like Chapel Hill denies right wing wing nuts the ability to come on campus and demean gays and lesbians ( you called us Sodom & Gomorrah earlier) THAT is considered intolerance. But your very calling us names is what? Your own petty and twisted personal truth? I really don't care. As you well know, people of your ilk are NOT welcome here and we let you know that FAST.

  • Sumo Vita Aug 20, 3:29 p.m.

    "I nick named it the city of gouls and goblins. Grass eaten weirdo's. Most of that crowd is just plum crazy in the head.They should be deemed handy cap and not allowed to vote at all."

    "Grass eaten"? So the grass eats people over there? Interesting. And what exactly happens when one is deemed "handy cap"?

    You know, you really need to present grammar skills better than your average third grader, and an IQ above that of your average houseplant if you wish to comment on who should (or shouldn't) be allowed to vote.

  • bdaughtry2 Aug 20, 3:22 p.m.

    > We have an excellent network of roads available for you to utilize to make that dream come true.. TODAY Bye-Bye bigot -atheistswillrule

    See, that's the intolerance and name calling I was talking about. I didn't call you any names. I am tolerant of you because I pity you.

  • Sumo Vita Aug 20, 3:21 p.m.

    Oh dear. Two super "librul" cities are the only ones to make the top ten in NC. No surprise there!

  • atheistswillrule Aug 20, 3:13 p.m.

    I really wonder what sort hamlets all you Chapel Hill haters live in? What one stoplight town with a church on every corner and no business to speak of. Some greasy diner or combination gas station/ fast food joint as your " fine dining" establishment, and more people in the cemetery than in the town itself. Hate on haters! Here in Chapel Hill we are having a great time. Get an education and you might as well.

  • Omar Little Aug 20, 3:10 p.m.

    "Why do you call your teams the Tar Heels, but, have a Ram for a mascot??? I'm confused..."

    "The origin of a ram as Carolina's mascot dates back to 1924. In 1922, the star fullback, Jack Merritt, was given the nickname "the battering ram" for his performance on the field. Vic Huggins, Carolina's head cheerleader at the time, suggested the idea of a ram mascot to the athletic business manager, Charles T. Woollen, and had the idea approved. Charles gave Vic $25 to purchase a ram. Rameses the First was shipped from Texas, just in time for the pep rally."

    http://bit.ly/PrOGbx

  • Coretta Scott Thing Aug 20, 3:10 p.m.

    Why do you call your teams the Tar Heels, but, have a Ram for a mascot??? I'm confused... offshore.

    No doubt. Since you can't seem to fathom the use of google to find answers to simple questions, let me inform you. Tar Heels ( nickname for North Carolinians) since it's the University of North Carolina. Rameses, our mascot began in 1924 due to our star fullback, Jack Merritt, who was given the nickname "the battering ram" for his performance on the field. Vic Huggins, Carolina's head cheerleader at the time, suggested the idea of a ram mascot to the athletic business manager, Charles T. Woollen, and had the idea approved. Charles gave Vic $25 to purchase a ram. Rameses the First was shipped from Texas, just in time for the pep rally.

  • Obamacare returns Aug 20, 3:06 p.m.

    Offshore, when you think of them as the Tar Holes, the Ram makes more sense.

  • Offshore Aug 20, 3:01 p.m.

    "Whenever someone is vehemently opposed to living in Chapel Hill its pretty safe to assume they didnt get into school there."

    Why do you call your teams the Tar Heels, but, have a Ram for a mascot??? I'm confused...

  • NCSU84 Aug 20, 2:29 p.m.

    I live in Cary.

  • tatermommy52 Aug 20, 2:12 p.m.

    A mile outside of Chapel Hill a Phd means post hole digger and that means real work.

  • Con Amor brings luv and laughter Aug 20, 1:50 p.m.

    They should change the name of that list all together. I mean it. It should be called the list of "Places appealing to city folks" or "Place people with lots of money can afford to live" or "Places you can hear your neighbor poot from the comfort of your own home". Something like that. But NEVER ever ever, should these places make a list of "Best Places To Live in America"!!

  • JohnnyMcRonny Aug 20, 1:43 p.m.

    What a dumb list. Define "best place". I used to live in TX, specifically in Bryan/College Station. It was ranked #2. It was an awful place. The locals used to say "if you don't like it, Highway 6 runs north and south out of here". All I could say was thank god. So I left and moved to NC. Only a few months after being here I found myself thinking that this is the first place ever in my life where I actually felt at home. But that doesn't have a financial aspect to it so I'm sure Money doesn't factor it in.

  • daughters of anarchy Aug 20, 1:43 p.m.

    Low crime? I spewed my tea!

  • daughters of anarchy Aug 20, 1:42 p.m.

    What's money?

  • Con Amor brings luv and laughter Aug 20, 1:38 p.m.

    They must be out of their minds!! To each is own I suppose. But living in any city, anywhere with street lights, or traffic jams, or noise other than wildlife or livestock.. with rules saying where you can & cant park own your own property, or rules about what you can & cant have in your own yard, or places where the children have to bypass schools close to home and be shipped off to 'way over yonder' so that they can be sure and mingle with children more upiddy and/or ghetto than themselves, where you cant hang your drawers out to air dry, or change your oil in your driveway, or put off mowing the grass a week or two, or smoke a cigarette without offending someone, or even spit for that matter (what do city people do? Swollow phlegm?).. Nope, not even at the bottom of my places to live, because I would never want to live in such places. Not Cary nor Chapel Hill would ever make the cut. I wouldnt live in either of those places, or anywhere on the entire list at all!

  • Screw WrAl Aug 20, 1:22 p.m.

    And with the case of Cary, the lies continue. They must buy a lot of ads in those publications.

  • smegma Aug 20, 1:16 p.m.

    people still read Money magazine?

  • Coretta Scott Thing Aug 20, 1:16 p.m.

    "Whenever someone is vehemently opposed to living in Chapel Hill its pretty safe to assume they didnt get into school there."

    also safe to assume they were smart enough to never apply to school there variousgood

    Oh yeah, with Durham Tech right down the road and all, why try to go to UNC?

  • smegma Aug 20, 1:06 p.m.

    "Whenever someone is vehemently opposed to living in Chapel Hill its pretty safe to assume they didnt get into school there."

    also safe to assume they were smart enough to never apply to school there

  • Lars Marson Aug 20, 1:03 p.m.

    Id place Raleigh at 12, Chapel Hill at 17, and Durham at 30(okay let me rephrase the suburbs of Durham), hehe

  • atheistswillrule Aug 20, 12:58 p.m.

    I'd rather move to NJ than live in Chapel Hill... bdaughtry2 Sodom and Gomorrah bdaughtry2

    We have an excellent network of roads available for you to utilize to make that dream come true.. TODAY Bye-Bye bigot

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