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  • JustOneGodLessThanU Aug 20, 9:20 a.m.

    @batcave, is the mantra of churches to “do unto others” or not? It’s that simple.

    You could do all the charity work for all of the Dressage horses in the world (like Mitt Romney has done and gotten a tax break for), but it’s all for nothing...if you don’t do what you tell us that you do... Do Unto Others As You Would Have Done Unto You.

    It’s a good thing. Try it. Every day. The world would be a better place if more people followed this ancient rule that has been around since man invented the wheel.

  • kermit60 Aug 16, 11:40 a.m.

    Another program that is facing the reality of" there ain't enough money" to make everyone happy. Every group suffers from cuts to include, schools, social programs, medi-care, social security, military etc. This country has been just writing another check every time someone screamed we need more. The bank ran out so they borrowed. We are now 16 trillion in debt as a country and people still want to keep writing checks and borrowing. The next generation, our kids and grand kids have trillions they owe and have recieved absolutly nothing for it.

  • sherry13 Aug 15, 6:41 p.m.

    To honeymaroney - "Why does someone living at home require the same...medicade as a person in a rest home..."

    There are different types of "Medicaid." In a rest home, "Special Assistance" may supplement a resident's income to pay for room and board. It's also possible to receive a LESSER amount of Medicaid at home to help pay living expenses. This article isn't talking about that type of Medicaid.

    The article refers to Medicaid "Personal Care Services" funds which pay for HANDS-ON physical assistance. For example, whether you are at home or in a rest home, you may need someone to help you with toileting, bathing, dressing, eating.

    The article says the federal government thinks the NC assessment system makes it less likely for the person in-home to receive personal care services funds, than someone in a rest home or group home. To fix this, rather than increase assistance in personal homes (would cost the NC gov. too much) they are decreasing assistance in rest homes.

  • whatelseisnew Aug 15, 5:18 p.m.

    "On Jan. 1, thousands of disabled people in group or adult care homes will no longer qualify for the services through Medicaid because the state considers them functional enough to live without them."

    Ah yes your Federal government at work once again to FORCE everyone to don their jack boots and march to their music. I am not worried though. I am quite sure that all those lovely lefties will each bring one or two of these folks into their homes and actually personally do something for someone else, or I guess we should just turn all the rich people upside down and shake any money they have to fix the problem.

  • LambeauSouth Aug 15, 4:55 p.m.

    "wow, loss of anything coherent figures LambeauSouth"

    It appears you can't count either.

    gunny462
    what's up , your not yourself? I mean I enjoy the back and forth
    u ok? seriously.....

  • batcave Aug 15, 4:20 p.m.

    children. If you have children you cannot critize any program with the state cause you on welfare education yourself.

    So you think its a good idea to have an uneducated society. You benefit from public education , whether you have kids or not. easy argument to win. Education is the route to end dependency. I mean you gotta be kiddin me.

  • batcave Aug 15, 4:15 p.m.

    Where are the so-called "do unto others" people now?

    You have no clue as to how much charity work churches do. amazing, but then again may be not. Your are the one turning faith into a politcal football. atheist= the new belief pushers.

  • sherry13 Aug 15, 4:03 p.m.

    Again, from someone in the business, don't think seniors who receive government assistance to pay for assisted living don't pay anything themselves. To qualify for assistance to pay the basic rate in assisted living, your income must be very low - less than $1246 net per month (including pension, Social Security, and any other income) and you must have less than $2000 in the bank. These are people who have worked hard on the job, or raising children and caring for their families, all their lives. Their jobs just didn't pay well, &/or they received no pension, &/or health problems have used up all their money. After all those years of faithful service to society, they have total assets of less than $2000 and they must pay ALL BUT $66 of their small monthly income for their care. Out of that $66 per month they must pay for toiletries, clothes, co-pays on medicines and incidentals (anything from haircuts to eye glasses [Medicare won't pay for glasses anymore])

  • knockitoff Aug 15, 3:42 p.m.

    For those who have made comments to me directly:
    *I* PAID (not hte government, not any other tax payer but me, not a free program, not a service, for a disabled child (AND I WAS A SINGLE PARENT) to go to special education AND I WORKED, I work now and PAY for my disabled alcoholic fathers daily needs. So I AM PAYING...I've paid taxes, and I've paid for the healthcare and am STILL paying. So DON'T cry me YOUR river - take care of your OWN kids and stop crying river when the service or system isn't there for you. I don't want to hear it, I paid, and am still paying! I'm not complaining, I'm doing MY JOB as a daughter and a mother.

  • damauro Aug 15, 3:18 p.m.

    Isn't it amazing how cold some people can be? It is hard to believe that caring for our elderly folks in a loving humane way is even a topic for discussion.

  • gunny462 Aug 15, 3:17 p.m.

    "wow, loss of anything coherent figures LambeauSouth"

    It appears you can't count either.

  • LambeauSouth Aug 15, 2:51 p.m.

    So only rich families can get their children an education?

    aknowlton1499
    appearently so.......... now who is accusing who of Class warfare>

  • hazeyc Aug 15, 2:48 p.m.

    I know my mother-in-law lived longer because she was cared for at home. At the same time there may be elderly who die earlier because their family doesn't care well for them.

    It really does become a debate as to who should care for an elderly person, family vs state. I think family should care for their own, unless there isn't any family to care for them, or it can be shown the family is incapable of caring for them.

  • Reformed Liberal Aug 15, 2:45 p.m.

    "Our education system is no different. The people who have children dont pay their fair share of taxes. They get a nice federal and state income deduction for every child. The rest of us are paying to educate their children as well as helping feed them. I like to see the state and federal government cut all funding for education. It is past time for people to provide for their own children. If you have children you cannot critize any program with the state cause you on welfare education yourself."

    So only rich families can get their children an education?

  • LambeauSouth Aug 15, 2:41 p.m.

    Uhuh....

    gunny462

    wow, loss of anything coherent
    figures

  • sherry13 Aug 15, 2:40 p.m.

    Dear "Knockitoff." I just want to offer a perspective from someone who is in the business. Most people can't afford to stay at home and take care of their aging parent(s) 24/7. If you can, you are among the fortunate few. I certainly could not do that if one of my parents became ill. I've worked very hard all my life but I'm single, 55, and have no income but from my job. Most of the family members who have loved ones in the assisted living where I work cannot afford to quit work either. In that "way back in the day" you are talking about, stay-at-home wives were common. In this day, most families must have both husband and wife work to pay all their bills...not just their "wants" as you put it. Many adult children of aging parents, those on the younger side, are trying to provide for their children as well as care for their aging or infirm parents. If a single parent quits their job to stay home and care for an aging parent, then what...the whole family goes on Medicaid?

  • gunny462 Aug 15, 2:37 p.m.

    "what makes you think your paying for any of them? The measly sales tax? Property tax, love to hear it? alot are provided by private donations, ther are some grants and alocations of federal money but the cost or money you actually have paid is PENNIES"

    Properity tax, yes, state taxes yes... fed money? uuuhh you mean my tax dollars? yup. Now let's go with just your statement of measely pennies... let's see how many people pay taxes, 1 million? 2? 3? take a few pennies from each of us and how much is that? Or are you mad because obamas admin threw these people under the bus?

  • gunny462 Aug 15, 2:33 p.m.

    "we would rather not have anything from you or your kind, come the day of reckoning, all your repenting in the world will not save you"

    Uhuh....

  • LambeauSouth Aug 15, 2:32 p.m.

    We're PAYING to take care of your kid(s). That's why we can judge. Stop acting as if your hardship entitles or gives special privileges to you.

    storchheim

    what makes you think your paying for any of them? The measly sales tax? Property tax, love to hear it? alot are provided by private donations, ther are some grants and alocations of federal money but the cost or money you actually have paid is PENNIES!

  • LambeauSouth Aug 15, 2:28 p.m.

    I hope you never need help.

    snshine62d

    read it again.......slower

  • LambeauSouth Aug 15, 2:22 p.m.

    We're PAYING to take care of your kid(s). That's why we can judge. Stop acting as if your hardship entitles or gives special privileges to you.

    storchheim
    I truely fell sorry for you, I really do. I volunteer for the Miracle League and to be honest, we would rather not have anything from you or your kind, come the day of reckoning, all your repenting in the world will not save you!

  • superman Aug 15, 2:21 p.m.

    Our education system is no different. The people who have children dont pay their fair share of taxes. They get a nice federal and state income deduction for every child. The rest of us are paying to educate their children as well as helping feed them. I like to see the state and federal government cut all funding for education. It is past time for people to provide for their own children. If you have children you cannot critize any program with the state cause you on welfare education yourself.

  • Fireflies Rock Aug 15, 2:14 p.m.

    this is so sad...I guess we put as a high priority sending our military to foreign nations while our infirm and disabled are neglected at home. To those hearkening back the "good old days" when people were taken care of at home, please remember that (1) there was more than likely someone at home who could provide caregiving, and (2) modern healthcare allows people to live longer and survive traumas that would have killed them in an earlier time. Many people in a 2-parent household don't have the luxury of not working, and certainly noone in a 1-parent household does. What will happen to all those who have no family at all? This is sad on so many levels.

  • JustOneGodLessThanU Aug 15, 2:13 p.m.

    Where are the so-called "do unto others" people now?

    The group who seems to tout certain "family values" as being important to them...seem like they're the ones who so often don't give a hoot about the elderly, destitute, mentally ill...or anyone else who has need.

    If you value love & compassion...doing unto others...taking care of the needy... it's time to do what you say. Or, stop saying it...if you want people to take you seriously, that is.

  • storchheim Aug 15, 2:12 p.m.

    TriangleMommy and everyone else who uses this lame excuse, just stop with the "how DARE you judge unless you've experienced it." Would it help you if we all had disabled kids?

    We're PAYING to take care of your kid(s). That's why we can judge. Stop acting as if your hardship entitles or gives special privileges to you.

  • storchheim Aug 15, 2:07 p.m.

    animalluvr: "Instead of screaming about how you don't want to help, how about screaming at the fact that those who control the prices keep forcing them up."

    How about the weak stop reproducing? Why are there so many disabled kids? Could it be years of malnutrition, idleness, lack of sanitation? Ignorance? Teen mothers whose bodies aren't fully built yet, trying to nourish a fetus to term so they can get free cash?

    "How about understand that the value of things is a decision made by those who have the means and are deliberately making it hard on everyone who doesn't. "

    Didn't you just get through thrashing the rest of us who ASSUME things about the porch dwellers? Yet you KNOW for a fact that "those who have the means" are "deliberately making it hard"? You're nothing but a class envier. You want to help, do something to persuade the less fit and able to keep reproducing. That right there will decrease Medicaid expenditures.

  • knockitoff Aug 15, 1:13 p.m.

    Dear Trianglemommy - I have and I am, I have friends that ARE!
    People need to STOP looking to the Government to solve your woes, do it yourself. The government isn't responsible for us raising OUR kids.
    It was families that took on generations of care, the care did not end at the parents -
    I'm just sayin!! So don't tell I'm NOT and I don't "know". Thanks but no thanks, I "expect" help for no one but myself.

  • TriangleMommy Aug 15, 12:58 p.m.

    Actually Knockitoff - people used to institutionalize folks like this. It is only in recent years that families FIGHT to keep their children with profound disabilities home.
    And as a parent of a child with profound medical needs and intellectual disability, than I know and understand the problem. Who is supposed to care for these "kids" when they grow up. The parents are aging and unable to do so. Many have severe behavioral problems because of their disability.

    no one should DARE judge a family in this situation until you have walked in their shoes for a few years.

  • animalluver Aug 15, 12:57 p.m.

    I have read the comments and I am curious about how many of you know people who receive social services and what they have to prove to get it?
    You all spout like you know the people you see sitting on the porch certainly get government help or are you assuming they do? Do any of you know the requirements to receive help?
    Why parents get if for disabled children who live at home or the cost associated with having a disabled child? I have read the hate that is spewed and it is ridiculous. Instead of screaming about how you don't want to help, how about screaming at the fact that those who control the prices keep forcing them up. How about understand that the value of things is a decision made by those who have the means and are deliberately making it hard on everyone who doesn't.
    Ask yourself who sets the prices? Why are they so high? Stop making assumptions and find out the truth! I wish you would all realize we are in this together and stop the selfishness!

  • snshine62d Aug 15, 12:52 p.m.

    I guess this is Romeny's fault, oh wait, it bush's fault. Dang who can we blame?

    dont care The current NC GOP ran legislature that Opps left it out in the budget!

    Couldn't agree more...the legislature "accidentally" left out all that money.......sure I believe that. If that was the case, the would come back to fix the mistake. But again, the GOP does not care about the people. I hope you never need help.

  • knockitoff Aug 15, 12:47 p.m.

    Long before people depended on a system or the government (way back in the day). People depended on their FAMILY to tend to them, and their daily needs. Parents took care of disabled children, and FAMILY took care of the elders, sick and disabled family members. If everyone got back to the "basics" instead of the "wants" and "I deserve" FAMILIES would still be taking care of families.

  • atozca Aug 15, 12:22 p.m.

    "On Jan. 1, thousands of disabled people in group or adult care homes will no longer qualify for the services through Medicaid because the state considers them functional enough to live without them"

    Many of them can.... I know them personally. Also, many have parents with whom they can live. Instead, like the family I know, the parent takes guardianship, receives all the disability payments and lets the state and medicare/medicaid take care of the child. I know of one parent who collects this money on 2 children.... kind of like getting paid to have disabled children.

  • LambeauSouth Aug 15, 9:33 a.m.

    The State has created this mess "On Jan. 1, thousands of disabled people in group or adult care homes will no longer qualify for the services through Medicaid because the state considers them functional enough to live without them"

  • piene2 Aug 15, 9:11 a.m.

    Governor Perdue needs to move state funds around by executive order to assure everyone is properly cared for. Take the funds from other agencies and worry about working out the details later. Meanwhile those in need will continue to get the care they need.

  • mforbey Aug 15, 8:46 a.m.

    I agree with oleguy......if you take away the checks for people sitting at home doing nothing and are able to work, then we would have more money to help the ones that are more in need and may not have the family to help them.

  • Karma0784 Aug 15, 8:10 a.m.

    JohnnyVoodoo, go to http://www.ncdhhs.gov/dhsr/ and there is information on how to start a facility.

  • LambeauSouth Aug 15, 8:10 a.m.

    I guess this is Romeny's fault, oh wait, it bush's fault. Dang who can we blame?

    dont care
    The current NC GOP ran legislature that Opps left it out in the budget!

  • LambeauSouth Aug 15, 8:09 a.m.

    oleguy.........stay on point will ya....this is about displacing old folks in homes, nothing about drug users or dead beat dads, take off your Tea party hat and think for once in your life for others, P.S. It helps you get past St. Peter!

  • JohnnyVoodoo Aug 14, 7:42 p.m.

    I have a 1100 sq.ft home with 3 bedrooms and 2 baths. How do I go about converting it to a group home?

  • corey3rd Aug 14, 7:32 p.m.

    Can't you see that these old people are just faking being elderly.

  • chathamtalbott Aug 14, 7:30 p.m.

    Re. why family do not care for their elder's care; Group homes also provide services to non-elders who are disabled/incapable of caring for themselves. Residents possibly do not have any children, and or those family remaining have no resouces to care for that individual, and are still working themselves and or raising their children. Given health care costs, many middle class working people could not afford caring for a loved one in their home. This will be an increasing problem as people live longer, fewer people are having children, and divorced and fractured family systems compromise such support options.

  • Southern Discomfort Aug 14, 7:19 p.m.

    It's much easier to pretend the need doesn't exist and avoid it, then then tout how much money is being saved to the ignorant.

  • boneymaroney13 Aug 14, 6:44 p.m.

    What happened to the family taking care of our elderly? Something about this article just isn't making sense. Why does someone living at home require the same financial level of medicade as a person in a rest home with no family?

  • Strawberry Letter 23 Beth Wilson Aug 14, 6:28 p.m.

    Click on that picture and look at it. Thank God we have group homes. They are much needed, by many.

    Beth

  • gopack10 Aug 14, 6:18 p.m.

    The state needs to step up and provide these services. People like this deserve the money and services at any cost...take some of it away from the underserving chronic "welfare" lifestyle groups and we would have plenty!

  • rachel Aug 14, 6:17 p.m.

    not providing the services does not make the need go away-the government needs to realize this.

  • tayled Aug 14, 6:14 p.m.

    Much talk has been here lately about God's judgment because of how we voted on something or did not vote on something, but folks, if we treat our fellow human beings like dirt, as we are doing with our mentally and physically disabled, that, my friends, will be something we will have to answer to the Lord about.

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