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  • mpheels Jul 20, 2012

    Sorry, gate fee, not landing fee. I'm not an aviation expert, just know what the SWA employee told me. SWA had the opportunity to move to Terminal 2, but opted to stay in Terminal 1 because it is less expensive. Once they move into the renovated section, their fees will go up.

  • jet2rdu Jul 19, 2012

    RDU, like most airports charge both a landing dee and terminal fees. I do not know the exact amounts today but back in '06 they were LF = $1.39 per 1000 lbs and TF = $88 sq/ft.

    Landing fees are based on weight of the aircraft while Terminal Fees on amount of terminal/gate space occupied.

    Most airports compute LFs at the beginning of each fiscal year by dividing the airlines’ share of projected "airfield" costs by the amount of landed weight the airport expects carriers to record in the coming year. By that formula, the cost per 1,000 pounds is raised if the total amount of landed weight is projected to decline. That’s what happened at RDU in 2008, when carriers made sizable service cuts in an effort to deal rising fuel prices.

  • Hill55 Jul 19, 2012

    the new terminal needs an ATM

  • seankelly15 Jul 19, 2012

    mpheels - "There is plenty of room in terminal 2, but RDU charges airlines a higher landing fee to be in terminal 2."

    What would the "landing fee" have to do with what terminal is used. There is only one set of runways. Gate fees make sense - landing fees don't.

  • DontVote4LiarsCheatsOrThieves Jul 19, 2012

    There needs to be more shops and restaurants BEFORE security so those leaving can have meals or drinks or whatever with loved ones before going through security. This is especially important in the case of military personnel whose loved ones may be seeing them off for long terms or to dangerous places.

  • mpheels Jul 19, 2012

    hp277 - the discount airlines chose to stay in terminal 1. There is plenty of room in terminal 2, but RDU charges airlines a higher landing fee to be in terminal 2. I actually asked a SWA gate agent about it, and he said SW is staying in terminal 1 to avoid the high landing fee, but they will have to pay it once the renovations are complete. Personally, I don't mind at all, and I fly SWA at least once a month.

  • jet2rdu Jul 19, 2012

    In case you might be interested in the history of aviation in Raleigh, even before the present RDU opened, you might want to read some history of Raleigh Municipal Airport and view the pictures. Raleigh Municipal Airport opened in 1929 and closed in 1972 and was Raleigh's first air transportation hub located at the present day location of the intersection of Tryon Road & U.S. 70-401. The Curtiss Wright Flying Service leased the property and built 3 runways.

    Here is the website:

    http://www.airfields-freeman.com/NC/Airfields_NC_Raleigh.htm

    It lists abandoned and little known airports here in NC. Just scroll down a bit to get to Raleigh Municipal.

  • NCSU84 Jul 19, 2012

    Post some artists drawings/renderings of the new update.

  • NotFromHere Jul 19, 2012

    "I used to watch planes take off as a kid on the observation deck. I'm guessing security issues are why they aren't used anymore. They still have a park area that you can watch planes come in on.Don't think they are passenger planes though."

    What kind of planes you think they are you're watching? You think they have different runways for non-passenger planes? Of course they are passenger planes. The outdoor observation area overlooks the main runway behind Terminal 2. It is a great facility to take the kids on a weekend.

  • hp277 Jul 19, 2012

    tired2 - Sure, it'll look nicer. For $68 million, it should. But when you're upgrading a 30 year old mobile home, there's only so much you can do.

    It looks like it will retain the corrugated metal exterior. That's a great look...

    But Southwest is my airline of choice, so mobile-home terminal it is!

  • tired2 Jul 19, 2012

    Tricky Dick is Not A Crook....problem is many people don't have the understanding to search the RDU website to see the plans for Term 1 really ready the N&O or WRAL (where these plans have been previously displayed). Only know and understand what they are told.

  • bubbafan66 Jul 19, 2012

    I'm confused, why did terminal 2 cost $570 million and terminal 1 is only going to cost $68 million. I guess they have no plans of making them look the same.

  • Thrall-Voljin 2012 Jul 19, 2012

    That'll be interesting.

  • tired2 Jul 19, 2012

    hp277....have you even taken the time to browse the conceptual plans on the RDU website? I suspect it will look even nicer when completed.

  • tired2 Jul 19, 2012

    ib27608 - did not know about the General Aviation deck - thanks!!!

  • tired2 Jul 19, 2012

    seankelly15 - Midway is the airport in Chicago Southwest and Airtran use. Want to get to Chicago for less money - fly SW. just got back on SW flights this week.

    NCPictures...do you have any understanding of airport design?? Term 1 main building has more gates than SW or Airtran require...further regeneration of the extreme south part of Term 1 and the area SW now uses after the refurb of the middle section would provide enough gates for 30 years of growth (especially given Term 2 is nowhere near capacity.

  • Tricky Dick is Not A Crook Jul 19, 2012

    LOL @ some of these comments. Almost like when you're stuck to that "seasoned" traveler on a flight to Las Vegas who's got to comment about everything and being on a really big place (even though it's only a 737)and telling you of all their once in a decade plane trips. Ugh.

  • stwatson Jul 19, 2012

    This is long overdue...

  • hp277 Jul 19, 2012

    The discount airlines get stuck with the discount-looking terminal.

  • lb27608 Jul 19, 2012

    "I used to watch planes take off as a kid on the observation deck. I'm guessing security issues are why they aren't used anymore. They still have a park area that you can watch planes come in on.Don't think they are passenger planes though."

    The Observation Park faces the longer of the two commercial runways at RDU, so you can certainly see passenger planes from the park - the largest passenger aircraft to land at RDU on a regular basis (the 767-300 that American flies to/from London) lands on that runway, in fact.

    You can also observe the other runway from the balcony in the General Aviation Terminal northeast of Terminal 1. It's open to the public.

  • seankelly15 Jul 19, 2012

    cwood3 - "I wonder where we would be without Southwest. Southwest restructured the entire fare structure for airlines when they came to RDU. I used to go to Chicago 2-3 times a year on business. Before SW, $350-500 roundtrip was the norm. SW came in at $160 roundtrip to Midway and boom!! All was different."

    First of all, why would you fly to Midway? Second, you have obviously not flown in a long time.

  • cynda-ur-way Jul 19, 2012

    I used to watch planes take off as a kid on the observation deck. I'm guessing security issues are why they aren't used anymore. They still have a park area that you can watch planes come in on.Don't think they are passenger planes though.

  • NCPictures Jul 19, 2012

    Obviously people, you have not been to too many airports. The prices for items at RDU are not out of line with other airports. You should try overseas if you want to complain. Terminal 2 is one of the best terminals out there! It has the amenities that many travelers are looking for: seats with power, internet, quiet areas, etc.

    Terminal 1 is a complete eyesore, and should be brought down.

    This city is one of the fastest growing in the nation. While I am not suggesting we will ever be like a CLT or ATL, we DO need to plan for the growth of this area. Therefore, IMHO a new terminal 1 is warranted, as long as the budget can be found. With all of the magical appearances of money coming out of the state these days, that should not be difficult.

    We have so many international vistors and business people coming here. Putting on a good first impression is very important.

  • SirWired Jul 19, 2012

    I'm not sure why so many people want to tear it down... T2 isn't large enough to accommodate Southwest if any room were to be left for any growth whatsoever. And building a new terminal from scratch would be way too expensive; if Cost Per Enplanement goes way up, service to an airport goes down. I like Terminal 2, but no so much that I want to give up our plentiful Southwest service to get another one.

    If you look at the plans and architect's drawings, we are getting a lot for our $68M; the renovated setup looks nice. And nobody can argue that it isn't sorely needed.

    Is it going to be as nice as T1? No. But for airlines looking to hold their costs down, it should be just fine.

  • cwood3 Jul 19, 2012

    Wish they could afford to make a new terminal 1. I'm sure the cost would be prohibitive.

    RDU has become a really good mid sized airport. WE have west coast flights. You can get anywhere you need from RDU.

    I wonder where we would be without Southwest. Southwest restructured the entire fare structure for airlines when they came to RDU. I used to go to Chicago 2-3 times a year on business. Before SW, $350-500 roundtrip was the norm. SW came in at $160 roundtrip to Midway and boom!! All was different.

    Concerning shops, prices are out of sight-yes. I have forgotten to buy kids stuff before, needed a snack(cause you get little or nothing on a plane anymore), ... What if your plane is delayed by weather or mechanical issues-they've got you. Pay it and move on!

  • burnstock99 Jul 19, 2012

    A cost effective and environmentally responsible renovation by keeping the older structure. I'm sure it will be great.

  • Bartmeister Jul 19, 2012

    Terminal 1 is still being used by Southwest and AirTran.

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    True, but with a tiny fraction of the Terminal 1 building being used. Hey, I'm all for more space for growth, just say'n it seems expensive right now.

  • tired2 Jul 19, 2012

    While it would be nice to create another Terminal 2, the economics just don't support it. Raleigh is not and never will be Charlotte or Atlanta form an airport perspective. you can recondition an older building with great success - many old warehouses have been refreshed; the office building opposite Crabtree Mall; Laurel Park Elementary was a manufacturing facility before Wake Cty Schools completely refurbished.....good for RDU - looking forward to a much improved terminal 1.

  • bigredtruckman Jul 19, 2012

    "ProzacDispenser", your broad generalizations are incorrect.

  • lb27608 Jul 19, 2012

    "RDU is surviving and apparently growing with only Terminal 2 being used." - Bartmeister

    Terminal 1 is still being used by Southwest and AirTran. SWA is by far the busiest airline at RDU in terms of passenger volume, too. They'll make good use of the new space in the renovated Terminal 1.

    Also, I believe the RDU Authority considered the option of tearing down Terminal 1 and starting from scratch. As I recall, they decided to renovate because it was much more cost-effective.

  • LuvLivingInCary Jul 19, 2012

    amazing at the people that want to wreck the place and build a new 600 million dollar space that doesn't even have a signed tenant.

    i think the airport is being smart. all the naysayers here probably are up to their eyeballs in debt and we wonder why.

  • Bartmeister Jul 19, 2012

    Ha, years ago we used to ride out to the airport to see "the" plane land on Sunday evenings. I think it was a Piedmont flight.

  • bigredtruckman Jul 19, 2012

    "The only renovation Terminal 1 needs is a wrecking ball."

    You've got that right! That terminal is an eyesore and no amount of remodeling is going to make it better. It is flawed and putting more money into it will be a waste. One of the baggage claims looks like it came from a 1960's high school and is an embarrassment to our city and state.

    It should be torn down and replaced with a modern terminal that matches the beautiful style of the new terminal.

  • dwntwnboy Jul 19, 2012

    I agree that the best thing that can happen to the old terminal is a match and a set of new blueprints! Still have memories of going to the rooftop observation deck at the Old Terminal to watch the planes take off- I think my dad was flying away on an Eastern Jet....yeah, it was a while ago! LOL Why don't they do observation decks like that any longer at airports? Would be kinda cool to go outside and watch the planes take off while waiting again.

  • Bartmeister Jul 19, 2012

    You would be surprised at the amount of money spent in an airport.

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    @dwntwnboy - Crazy isn't it? I'm not all that surprised really I guess. The amount of money they ask for some cheap items is what turns me away. Now, Brooks Brothers, PGA, and the likes I can understand. Heck the Atlanta airport international concourse has stores that rivals any mall most everywhere else.

  • cartman Jul 19, 2012

    They need to get rid of the blue box (terminal 1) and make it something similar to the new terminal 2, which I think is terrific.

  • itom68 Jul 19, 2012

    Water and a bag of nuts are 11 dollars

  • dwntwnboy Jul 19, 2012

    Bart- I used to work for the retail companies at the airport for several years. They did VERY well. You would be surprised at the amount of money spent in an airport. There was a Southern Season Shop, PGA Store, Brooks Bros, ACC Store, Brighton Handbags etc. Not to mention the money made at the news stands!! Water alone accounted for an obscene amount of money daily after the "no liquids" thing went into effect. I'm not a big airport shopper myself as I know the markups- but many people just like to shop- and it kills those 2 hours you have to wait for the plane.

  • lec02572 Jul 19, 2012

    Terminal 1 is just ugly. Looks like something from a 3rd world county. That thing should be demolished and replace with something that looks like terminal 2. It is currently just not attractive and does not reflect well on Raleigh/Durham.

  • hp277 Jul 19, 2012

    The only renovation Terminal 1 needs is a wrecking ball.

    RDU would be far smarter to tear it down and start over.

  • htomc42 Jul 19, 2012

    The best make-over they could possibly do would be to get rid of the TSA.

  • Bartmeister Jul 19, 2012

    RDU is surviving and apparently growing with only Terminal 2 being used. Is this wasted money to renovate 1? Aside from a $8 biscuit or a $4 cup of coffee, how many people really buy merchandise in an airport? I travel a fair amount and have never bought anything in an airport of a city I was visiting.

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