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sweetums googoo Jun 29, 7:15 p.m.
Begging your pardon, but isn't the title of the article that these comments are for:
"NC lawmakers won't act on part of US health reform"
Thats me... uninformed.
Objective Scientist Jun 29, 7:07 p.m.
"How can our legislature refuse to follow federal law? Can't we arrest them for this?" - post by RedRobin - June 29, 2012 6:17 p.m.
They refuse to follow the law b/c they are Republicans... and I am a very INDEPENDENT independent - definitely NOT a Democrat! I just saw, on CBS Evening News, John Boehner state that the law that was just rules constitutional needs to be - in its entirety - "ripped out by the roots" and start all over. When the interviewer pressed him and asked - "Even the parts that are popular and there is some agreement on?" His response was the same - "ripped out by the roots" in its entirety! With all due respect to the Speaker of the House that is a statement indicative of a first class IMBECILE - or he is completely blinded by partisanship! I don't think he is an imbecile, you can't be an imbecile and achieve what he has, so it has to be the latter. This type of thing will be the ruin of our great country!!! Dems - Repubs - WORK TOGETHER!!!
IBnormal Jun 29, 6:58 p.m.
Democratic Gov. Bev Pedue: “This morning’s Supreme Court ruling will be welcome news for the approximately 95,000 young people ages 19 to 25 who will be able to stay on their family’s health insurance plan because of this law. It’s welcome news for the approximately 539,000 North Carolina children with preexisting medical conditions, because this law prevents insurance companies from denying these children coverage."
RedRobin and Dangerbob21, Get informed and stop the blame
sweetums googoo Jun 29, 6:43 p.m.
Please be aware, when it comes to actually helping the citizens of NC, our legislature will not act and in this case in particular will stall, obfuscate and mis-inform until they are either voted out or the threat of being voted out changes their minds. Doing something for the good of the people (without running it by a national "party" line) seems to be a thing for more civil minds... Not the current crop of legislatures.
RedRobin Jun 29, 6:17 p.m.
At least 17% of North Carolinians are uninsured. My two sons who work fulltime and attend college parttime -- in their early 20s -- cannot afford to either pay to stay on my insurance or pay for their own policies. They need access to affordable health insurance. How can our legislature refuse to follow federal law? Can't we arrest them for this?
Objective Scientist Jun 29, 3:19 p.m.
What's up with WRAL moderators? I have submitted several comments to this and other articles about the Supreme Court ruling that have not been posted. I never use profanity, I don't attack people personally, I am politically independent and have no problem questioning and critiquing BOTH Democrats and Republicans, etc. Yet... over the past couple of days I have had numerous posts... NOT posted. What gives?
IBnormal Jun 29, 3:01 p.m.
These Cadillac Rules will cause a majority of plans to be dropped, like mine,(except for union plans that received an exemption)
IBnormal Jun 29, 2:38 p.m.
What were the lies.....Could you give me one or two main ones that you were writing about? MakoII
“First of all, if you’ve got health insurance, you like your doctors, you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. Nobody is talking about taking that away from you.” Obama
“When I say ‘If you have your plan and you like it,… or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans,’” the president said after we asked him about this, “what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform.” Obama
No,but,if you have a so call "Cadillac Plan" the govt will tax your employer 40% for everything over $10,200 for offering a better plan. More than 60% of employer-sponsored plans will be classified as tax-incurring Cadillac Plans by the provision’s 2018 effective date. These Cadillac Rules will cause a majority of plans to be dropped, like mine,(except for union plans that received an
Disabled Veteran Jun 29, 2:35 p.m.
When I was stationed in Georgia, every time I was deployed I would cancel my car insurance because I wasn't using it. When I came back to Georgia my license would be suspended. If you don't keep insurance the state will penalize you for not doing so. Unfortunately they can mandate us. I assume this applies to this Reform as well
sweetums googoo Jun 29, 2:17 p.m.
There is no for-profit entity involved with health care that gives a darn about you (when it comes to accounting)! These entities will take profits for a bit until the markets evolve companies to compete on this new field and prices will eventually go down, bankruptcies due to health care costs will go down, insurance companies will get more policy holders, hospitals will be paid for services rendered and the newly insured can get a regular doctors visit to address a simple ailment for a fractional cost of really getting sick and going to the emergency room for care.
The overall cost for care will go down for everyone involved! This law is good for all involved. Now the for-profit health care entities need to do their part.
sweetums googoo Jun 29, 2:16 p.m.
It would actually be nice for the overdue and extended Bush tax CUTS on the wealthy to be used for healthcare. Benefit to all rather than benefit to those who really need it the least. This is (not the only but...) a purpose of government. Anyone lucky enough to currently have healthcare insurance is ALREADY paying a "unspoken" tax. Who do you think picks up the tab if someone goes to the emergency room with no insurance? Who...? Well the hospital eats a tiny fraction (supplemented by the GVT) and passes the difference to the insurance companies for people with health insurance (and start collections for the uninsured persons that lead to bankruptcy, foreclosures, litigations, et al ). The insurance companies then pass on the cost as premiums to all their policy holders. Does the government pick it up? Well, the local, state and federal governments pick up some of the costs if you meet their criteria.
So who pickups the tab??? If you are lucky to have health insurance .... you do.
sweetums googoo Jun 29, 2:04 p.m.
Oh yea, and saying "the law" cannot mandate you to buy anything for any reason is just plain incorrect, regardless of emperor's cut and paste... If you drive in NC you are required to have/pay for car insurance. The same applies with healthcare. If you don't have it you either don't use it (practically speaking, impossible with healthcare) or you carry the insurance and drive. Simple concept, stretch that noggin'... Try again.
Disabled Veteran Jun 29, 1:54 p.m.
The lies I'm referring to are President Obama saying that the upper class will no longer have (Can't think of the term)special taxes. And that the middle class will no longer get hit the hardest with taxes(still can't think of the term). The money for this Reform is going to fall right on the middle classes back as usual. The middle class will have to pay for those that can't afford insurance. Mostly because the rich will have private insurance and will be exempt from the tax. Still not bickering, just looking for understanding. I'm all for the Reform if someone can tell me how my tax dollars will not be affected by it. I have Blue Cross Blue Shield/ Federal
sweetums googoo Jun 29, 1:46 p.m.
I made no mention of "Free healthcare". But now that you did, single payer would be a godsend (even though it is not free, just comparatively much much cheaper, better, more efficient, inclusive etc... for everyone)
...And... So, currently paying for others, uninsured emergency room visits with my premiums is not the same (people don't or can't pay and society picks up the tab)? sounds like our current system is communist (even though your definition is incorrect and not really applicable in your example, I will play along)... OOOH... scary word communism. If you mean that the healthcare law (mandating that the uninsured are covered and not using society to foot the bills) is not the American way, you really could not be more incorrect. To expect a free anything service, seems silly and our current system is not the American way.
NCHighlander Jun 29, 1:18 p.m.
Oh really, emperor... Car insurance is going to an insurance company... it is mandated... by the state, but a mandate none-the-less... I guess we should nullify it in NC . Oops, just don't drive anywhere... or for the topic at hand... get sick... Really?..., tinfoil hats all around! Rangerbob21
Health care is a commodity like everything else. You have no God given right to a nice car, house, clothes, food, or any other. The idea that we can all sit around on our donkies and will have free health care is an idea of communism no matter how you see it. Somebody has to pay for everything we get. Rich people robbed aren't going to be enough comrades.
LambeauSouth Jun 29, 12:17 p.m.
We are concerned about the precedent that this will set in Congress’ ability to mandate other aspects of our lives, but we will move forward from today to continue to fight, harder than ever, for real health-care reform for our membership," Thompson said in a statement.
wow, maybe they should all get "Food Insurance" build bomb shelters....bunch of wacko's
sweetums googoo Jun 29, 12:10 p.m.
Oh really, emperor... Car insurance is going to an insurance company... it is mandated... by the state, but a mandate none-the-less... I guess we should nullify it in NC . Oops, just don't drive anywhere... or for the topic at hand... get sick... Really?..., tinfoil hats all around!
bill0 Jun 29, 11:59 a.m.
"You are ignoring the fact that someone will have to pay for those who can't afford to adhere to the law. That means taxes. And taxes always trickle down to the middle class."
Wrong again. The wealthy pay the bulk of federal taxes. The median earner in the US pays essentially zero federal income tax.
And BTW, someone IS ALREADY paying for those that don't have health insurance. Every person who has to pay for health insurance is being charged a premium to make up for the people who don't pay. Hospitals and doctors aren't taking a loss overall. They just charge the paying customers more.
WooHoo2You Jun 29, 11:48 a.m.
You are ignoring the fact that someone will have to pay for those who can't afford to adhere to the law. That means taxes. And taxes always trickle down to the middle class.-danimalfurry
1) That is what the penalty pays for. 2) We already pay for those who do not pay for medical care they have received….that is the point of the law!
MakoII Jun 29, 11:48 a.m.
What were the lies. I've followed this thing from the start and haven't observed lies. Could you give me one or two main ones that you were writing about?
WooHoo2You Jun 29, 11:47 a.m.
NC will not be able to expand healthcare because we can't even afford a decent raise for the teachers. Thank goodness, we can opt out.-Danny22
The GOP decided teachers don’t need raises however they have plenty of money to fight their social agenda laws in court…
MakoII Jun 29, 11:42 a.m.
So lawmakers for NC are being paid to not do their job.
In Private Industry, people get fired for not doing their job.
Aren't these the same lawmakers who want government to be like Private Industry?
Time for the crooked Democrats. Crooked as they were, they actually did their job.
Disabled Veteran Jun 29, 11:27 a.m.
I don't support Obama! But I do see pro's & con's to this reform. Mostly con's but What I don't understand is why he lied to the people to get this law in place. It makes me feel that he's trying to puul the wool over my eyes. His agenda was to have the rich pay more & middle class pay less. How is this reform going to achieve that? I'm not bickering, just looking for answers and understanding
Danny22 Jun 29, 11:27 a.m.
NC will not be able to expand healthcare because we can't even afford a decent raise for the teachers. Thank goodness, we can opt out.
Barely Jun 29, 11:25 a.m.
"The tiny percentage of people who are hard headed enough to not take advantage of the massive subsidy are going to get hit with a "stupid tax". Cry me a river."
You are ignoring the fact that someone will have to pay for those who can't afford to adhere to the law. That means taxes. And taxes always trickle down to the middle class.
bill0 Jun 29, 11:07 a.m.
"Now obama not only lied he broke a campaign promise of no taxes on the middle class. Now after 8 years of hearing bush lied every day you guys are going to ignore this? Really?"
So, giving middle and lower earners highly subsidized health insurance is a tax on them? That is some serious spin.
The tiny percentage of people who are hard headed enough to not take advantage of the massive subsidy are going to get hit with a "stupid tax". Cry me a river.
WooHoo2You Jun 29, 10:39 a.m.
Now obama not only lied he broke a campaign promise of no taxes on the middle class. Now after 8 years of hearing bush lied every day you guys are going to ignore this? Really?-casp3r
It is only a “tax” if you do not get health insurance. BTW, it is not the first time the government has altered income taxes to encourage something; I get a tax break for my mortgage however I pay much higher taxes because my wife and I do not have kids. Some look at that as a tax break but I look at it as penalty….
casp3r Jun 29, 10:36 a.m.
Not only a campaign promise, he lied to get the bill passed to begin with.
You have no problems with that? Really?this is a victory?
piene2 Jun 29, 10:14 a.m.
"Now obama not only lied he broke a campaign promise of no taxes on the middle class. Now after 8 years of hearing bush lied every day you guys are going to ignore this? Really?
Wow! Is this the first instance in recorded history of a politician broke a campaign promise?
Barely Jun 29, 10:11 a.m.
There's nothing illegal here. The law reserves states' rights to implement their own "shops". If they choose not to do so, then the Federal government will provide the system. I may not agree with the law, because of the costs, but NC declining to provide their own system is fully within their rights.
piene2 Jun 29, 10:10 a.m.
I had a bit of business in Raleigh the other day. I ran across a gaggle of collage students leaving the capitol and chatted with a few of them. It turned out that they were studying archeology and visited the capitol to see first hand how primitive societies operated.
casp3r Jun 29, 10:05 a.m.
I guess all the ones celebrating don't care that the entire country had to be lied to to get this thing passed.
Now obama not only lied he broke a campaign promise of no taxes on the middle class. Now after 8 years of hearing bush lied every day you guys are going to ignore this? Really?
bill0 Jun 29, 10:00 a.m.
"Any of you libs want to spin this one? Sounds like a heck of a job killer to me. But what do you care, if healthcare is free and no one is working and gets sick they dont have to worry about paying for it, it all pans out, right?"
Not really a "lib", but just because someone says something doesn't mean it is true. Actual small business owners are completely exempt from the requirements. They actually get big TAX CUTS if they chose to offer insurance. Medium size businesses are required to follow the regulations, but they are eligible for a bunch of TAX CUTS as well.
Frankly, that is why there is a cost to this plan. Tax dollars are going to go to business owners to subsidize employee insurance costs. Tax dollars are going to go to individuals who don't make enough money to afford private insurance. Tax dollars are going to go to high-risk pools to cover insurance for the sickest people.
The Contractor Jun 29, 9:53 a.m.
civil war? no... i'd be more worried about turkey's arms racing to their border or china's setting up arms over their disputed territory as they sell oil rights to the same oceans. This is just another unknown that people fear and dont know what the results will be. I for one think its a start but it hasnt gone far enough. we are "forced" by our govt to buy car insurance, why not health? NC has some of the lowest car insurance rates because we regulate what they can charge. the PPACA or "Obamacare" tries to do this and gets rid of the health insurance industry cherry picking who pays and gets covered and who doesnt. some of you complain that they are intruding on your lives but its no more an intrusion than we already allow them to do. you say its a job killer but how? explain please. also you can expect a refund if you health insurance cant contain costs to a 80%/20% split of costs/administrative so maybe these fat cat CEO's wont be making a buck off our children of familys health.
The Contractor Jun 29, 9:47 a.m.
how they're paying for the PPACA:
Here is the breakdown according to the Tax Foundation;
Main Components in Net Cuts to Medicare ($416.5 billion)
Reductions in annual updates to Medicare FFS payment rates = $196 billion cut
Medicare Advantage rates based upon fee-for-service rates = $136 billion cut
Medicare Part D “donut hole” fix = $42.6 billion increase
Payment Adjustments for Home Health Care = $39.7 billion cut
Medicare Disproportionate Share Hospital (DSH) Payments = $22.1 billion cut
Revision to the Medicare Improvement Fund = $20.7 billion cut
Reducing Part D Premium Subsidy for High-Income Beneficiaries = $10.7 billion cut
Interactions between Medicare programs = $29.1 billion cut
Main Components in Other Provisions ($149 billion)
There's more but wont fit in the 1000 char(s)limit. google
Oct Jun 29, 9:43 a.m.
At least this so called tax will be going to benefit our American citizens. It won't go to destroy and rebuild another country. I am so tired of our tax money being spent on other countries where they hate our guts and we have so many people right here in Raleigh living below poverty and wondering where their next meal is coming from.
Disabled Veteran Jun 29, 9:25 a.m.
Am I interpreting this right? North Carolina is refusing to abide by a law set fourth by the Government? I see this Health Care Reform plunging this country into Civil War.
Crumps Br0ther Jun 29, 9:20 a.m.
Small-business owners will now "face an onslaught of taxes and mandates," he said, which will force some to lay off employees and others to close altogether
Any of you libs want to spin this one? Sounds like a heck of a job killer to me. But what do you care, if healthcare is free and no one is working and gets sick they dont have to worry about paying for it, it all pans out, right?
mep Jun 29, 9:00 a.m.
unc70 "Polls have shown that while ACA/Obamacare as a whole and the individual mandate are viewed unfavorably, all the other pieces have very high approval rates (e.g. eliminate Medicare donut, lifetime caps, preexisting conditions). Even so, only about 30% want the ACA overturned or repealed".
Not true.... more than 50% of Americans want it repealed.
Sure... everyone wants all the so-called "free stuff" Obamacare offers up. No one wants to actually pay for it. Sadly, they will. There is no such thing as free. And considering the poor will have Medicaid and govt subsidized insurance, and the wealthy can already afford health insurance.... WHO will be left paying the bulk of the $1.2 TRILLION dollar part of Obamacare taxpayer expenses? The middle class of course. Not to mention the increases in premiums for those already with HC insurance. Get ready to start paying.
aetius476 Jun 29, 8:59 a.m.
"Since NC GOP has not implemented the required exchanges in NC, I can & will buy through the Fed exchanges." - unc70
Good luck with that. We have a long way to go to full implimentation.
You first have to make sure your pied piper of entitlements gets re-enthroned. If he does not, this will all fade away like a bad dream.
This monster of an entitlement imposes an $813 Billion dollar tax increase on the American people. Many will get a free ride, but others will pay dearly.
Interesting to see what actually happens, stay tuned...
Disabled Vet Jun 29, 8:57 a.m.
It's hard to believe that the heat has affected some (geosol) as early as 7:18 pm last night. I hate to think what this person will be like at the end of today.
catwoman2 Jun 29, 8:54 a.m.
I just don't understand for the life of me how so many people can be pleased about this being approved. Not only are these people saying they don't care that the government is now going to control another aspect of our supposedly "free" lives, but where do they really think the money to pay for this is going to come from? PLEASE....I guess they just think this is another bill for China to pick up....unbelievable.
Danny22 Jun 29, 8:36 a.m.
Obamacare has stunted the growth of small businesses nationwide and now Obama has levied the largest tax ever on the middle class workers.
unc70 Jun 28, 7:59 p.m.
After several $100 million in negative advertising regarding the "evil", unconstitutional Obamacare defining the ACA for many, with the SC ruling upholding it as Constitutional, the news and analyses and public discussions will shift to the details.
Polls have shown that while ACA/Obamacare as a whole and the individual mandate are viewed unfavorably, all the other pieces have very high approval rates (e.g. eliminate Medicare donut, lifetime caps, preexisting conditions). Even so, only about 30% want the ACA overturned or repealed.
The mandate penalty (individual and companies with 50+ employees) is not what I wanted, but it was the only way to get better coverage, limit the insurers to ONLY skimming 20% off the top (for admin, CEO bonuses, etc.), nearly all insured, and exchanges providing a level of competition. I am one of those unsure with pre-existing. Since NC GOP has not implemented the required exchanges in NC, I can & will buy through the Fed exchanges.
Emperor Jun 28, 7:34 p.m.
1. Some of the posters here need to go read the US Constitution. No where in Article 1, Section 8 nor under any 'taxing authority' does the Federal Government have the authority to force you to purchase anything. The Justices got it wrong AGAIN! Its the "mandate" that is unconstitutional.
2. The states still have the Constitutional authority to declare The Healthcare Law unconstitutional (or do nothing to help create it or enforce it). People need to educate yourselves on "Nullification". It was first used by Virginia and Kentucky around 1798.
I agree that The Healthcare Law has some good aspects about it that represent SOME solutions to our problems with healthcare costs. But people first need to educate themselves about the limited powers of the Federal Government AND how our current healthcare system (including the insurance companies role) currently does NOT operate as a free market which currently has various government controls and mandates that are too lengthy to list here.
geosol Jun 28, 7:18 p.m.
See you in court right wing REPUBLICANS!!!! Good to see that your failed ideology will result in increased costs and decreased quality of care for the citizens of our Great State! REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER AND VOTE AGAINST ALL REPUBLICANS IN EVERY RACE!!!!!
paulej Jun 28, 6:39 p.m.
My only objection to forced insurance is that a certain percentage of my money goes into the pockets of insurance companies. It's like being forced to pay service charges on bank accounts where my bank is earning money from both ends. I'd rather have as close to 100% of my money as possible go to the care of me and others.
I'd rather solve healthcare costs by getting rid of insurance companies and having the government set the prices for healthcare, drugs, supplies, etc. and serve as THE "insurance company", having all people contribute to the cost of healthcare through an insurance program is better than pushing all of the burden onto a subset and also leaving some with no care at all.
justinnc3 Jun 28, 6:26 p.m.
Is this report posted as an "opinion" article? The first paragraph is worded with a pretty obvious slant.
floydthebarber Jun 28, 6:21 p.m.
Who cares if the republicons want to be lazy on this? The Supreme Court and Obama have fixed the problem for us with the 2014 health exchanges and the stopgap Inclusive Health pool. Everyone can buy coverage now.
Whether we all can AFFORD it is another question... one I'm sure a Dem congress and president could easily fix with another constitutionally-sound law :)
archmaker Jun 28, 6:13 p.m.
holy cow - these health care exchanges were promoted by republicans and even part of their 10-point plan to "repeal and replace."
i guess we'd rather washington run our health exchange in 2014 rather than set up a north carolina plan?
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03