James O'Keefe is carrying on the tradition of sensationalizing pants-on-fire propaganda as "facts". Too bad he won't get help from Andrew Breitbart, he went to his reward back in March. I hope his vat of boiling Haterade is kept at a constant, cozy temperature of 675F. Yep, 'ol Andy has hacked his last election...;)

"Your examples represent an extremely small percentage of the population."

But not nearly as rare as, and as documented actually far more common than, the alleged fraud you are trying to prevent. That's the point.

"Any other time you're screaming about any expenditure of tax dollars."

This is tiny compared to what we spend on other items that are pure garbage.

"If they can't get out to get a free state ID"

Any other time you're screaming about any expenditure of tax dollars. Now you don't seem to care. A "free state ID" isn't really free. Once again, spend millions to try to solve a non existent problem.

WooHoo2You wrote: "So the elderly and poor represent an "an extremely small percent of the population?" Are you kidding me?!?!?! You claim otherwise any other time...." In response to a right winger's post. THANK YOU!!!!! THIS is exactly the point.

So the elderly and poor represent an "an extremely small percent of the population?"

The elderly and the poor who have absolutely no way whatsoever to travel by car or get out of the house is extremely rare. The vast majority of the elderly and poor are NOT in this situation. Those that are have friends and family. They aren't hermits. And most people who really can't get around that well still have bank accounts... which requires a valid ID.

So lets use your own rule and just not worry about them. If they can't get out to get a free state ID they probably weren't going to vote anyways.

"If you are elderly or very poor, will you bother to do this? When will they get their picture taken? How will someone without a car get there?"

Your examples represent an extremely small percentage of the population. Further, and these very problems have already been solved in other states. We can do the same. But, using your own logic, since the problem is so small (like voter fraud), why should we address it? Pass the voter ID law and lets not worry about these rare cases.-ripcord

So the elderly and poor represent an "an extremely small percent of the population?" Are you kidding me?!?!?! You claim otherwise any other time....

"If you are elderly or very poor, will you bother to do this? When will they get their picture taken? How will someone without a car get there?"

Your examples represent an extremely small percentage of the population. Further, and these very problems have already been solved in other states. We can do the same. But, using your own logic, since the problem is so small (like voter fraud), why should we address it? Pass the voter ID law and lets not worry about these rare cases.

Plenty-"and subsequently disenfranchising thousands of people"

Ripcord-"How does that happen? How does that work?"

You are simply creating another hurdle. Many people already don't bother to vote. If the state does pay for the ID's, will they mail them or will voters have to go pick them up at the DMV? If you are elderly or very poor, will you bother to do this? When will they get their picture taken? How will someone without a car get there? As I already linked to earlier, people are being turned away who have always voted in states that require photo IDs simply because they were unaware of the new law or misunderstood what proof of residency was required in order to get an ID, or because they needed more documentation etc. Some people wouldn't bother.

djofraleigh-Does anyone doubt that JFK had fraud out of Chicago and Mayor Daly helping him win over Nixon in 1960?"

Fraud? Yes. But investigations show that it probably didn't make a difference. There was much greater effect on voting in the south with literacy tests and poll taxes suppressing the vote.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history_lesson/2000/10/was_nixon_robbed.2.html

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-09-26-jfk-chicago-politics_N.htm

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