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  • 12inthebox May 8, 4:39 p.m.

    "And the number of guilty that have gone free are countless I'm sure. Your point? Mine was those states don't seem to have a problem to pulling the switch, whats wrong with our verbiage in the laws? As far as expense, I've read both sides of that argument and that is not a totally true statement. The expense to the taxpayer can be more on a death penalty if the public defender's office is involved, not solely on the appeal process although that's the majority of it." -- Bartmeister

    In my mind, an innocent man being executed is much more repulsive than a guilty man going free. As for the expense aspect of it, what percentage of capital cases do you think are privately retained? Start the bidding somewhere less than .001%

  • lovelarvae May 8, 4:27 p.m.

    "Government cannot be trusted with the power to take someone's life. It is simply too open for abuse and the risk to the innocent is simply unacceptable."

    Exactly. You would think being anti-death penalty would be the default 'conservative' position on two counts: (1) a small govt shouldn't have the authority to kill its citizens, and (2) if you are truly "pro-life", then you'd be against the death penalty because (a) there is too much risk an innocent life would be taken, and (b) pro-life is pro-life, period. If you're concerned about a fertilized egg in a test tube being disgarded, then you ought to be concerned about the govt sanctioned killing of adults.

  • dcatz May 8, 8:23 a.m.

    "Texas and Virginia don't seem to have a problem with the Death Penalty laws."

    They also don't seem to have a problem with murdering innocent people.

    After the whole Gregory Taylor debacle, the notion that anyone could support the death penalty is truly mind boggling. Government cannot be trusted with the power to take someone's life. It is simply too open for abuse and the risk to the innocent is simply unacceptable.

  • Bartmeister May 7, 6:13 p.m.

    Cameron Todd Willingham would disagree - and he surely isn't the only innocent man that has been executed. 12inthebox

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    And the number of guilty that have gone free are countless I'm sure. Your point? Mine was those states don't seem to have a problem to pulling the switch, whats wrong with our verbiage in the laws? As far as expense, I've read both sides of that argument and that is not a totally true statement. The expense to the taxpayer can be more on a death penalty if the public defender's office is involved, not solely on the appeal process although that's the majority of it.

  • 12inthebox May 7, 5:52 p.m.

    "Texas and Virginia don't seem to have a problem with the Death Penalty laws."

    Cameron Todd Willingham would disagree - and he surely isn't the only innocent man that has been executed.

  • Bartmeister May 7, 5:16 p.m.

    Texas and Virginia don't seem to have a problem with the Death Penalty laws.

  • 12inthebox May 7, 5:03 p.m.

    It is waaaay more expensive to execute someone than it is to give them life in prison.

  • piene2 May 7, 4:51 p.m.

    "All we have to do is execute them---any liberals complain then let them leave our state---we have got to start punishing these criminals
    TruthTemple"

    It is as much our state as it is your state so why do you not get the heck out?

  • NomoreKoolaid May 7, 4:36 p.m.

    The Capital Murder trial that I served on in 1997 was an absolute waste of every juror's time because he still lives in a prison day room and watches TV from 7am till 11am and the victim is in the ground murdered unarmed in front of his two kids. He is given HOPE by insane liberals........ THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.

  • timtooltime777 May 7, 4:17 p.m.

    Those who opose the death penalty should be the ones who pay a tax to keep them alive !

  • RM24 May 7, 3:56 p.m.

    @RM24, so what do you do when there is proof that one group of people is getting a bum deal to compared to another group based purely on skin color bias?
    hereandnow99

    We can always have a second jury that never knows the criminals name/race/gender. Just the crime, details of the crime and the unanimous vote of guilty. Then that jury nor the criminal has no excuse. In the above post instead of using a group of people enter, a group of convicted killers, and see how that sounds? Once convicted of a crime such as first degree murder, again my sympathy fades away.

  • TruthTemple May 7, 3:54 p.m.

    All we have to do is execute them---any liberals complain then let them leave our state---we have got to start punishing these criminals

  • RM24 May 7, 3:48 p.m.

    @RM24, so what do you do when there is proof that one group of people is getting a bum deal to compared to another group based purely on skin color bias?
    hereandnow99

    We are talking about convicted murders or those convicted of a crime brutal enough to qualify for the death penalty. I don't have more or less sympathy for any race of people CONVICTED of Guilt for these type of crimes period. If you don't want to face the death penalty then don't commit these crimes. My sympathy for a murderer does not go very far. Reguardless of race or gender.

  • jurydoc May 7, 2:31 p.m.

    RM24 - There is no such thing as a "death penalty crime" in that there are NO crimes on the books for which a finding of guilt AUTOMATICALLY results in a sentence of death. The SCOTUS found automatic death penalties unconstitutional. Once a capital jury finds a defendant guilty of first degree murder, there is a second, sentencing trial during which evidence for and against a death sentence is presented. Then, the jurors hear "instructions" about deciding which is the "appropriate" sentence. During jury selection, potential jurors who are unable to consider a death sentence are excluded from sitting on the jury as are potential jurors who would automatically vote for death once a conviction is obtained. This sentencing procedure fits the SCOTUS requirements of "guided discretion" in sentencing. Unfortunately, it also frequently results in racially biased juries since many more blacks (compared to whites) are unable to consider a death verdict due to religious reasons.

  • JustOneGodLessThanU May 7, 1:51 p.m.

    @RM24, so what do you do when there is proof that one group of people is getting a bum deal to compared to another group based purely on skin color bias?

  • JustOneGodLessThanU May 7, 1:40 p.m.

    @cwood3, "zygote", "blastocyst". Look them up. Then, be glad you can't get pregnant & have outsiders telling you what you can & cannot do with your own body.

    But, I do understand why you are go gung-ho about killing other humans.

    I mean, you've got a handbook-for-living that describes, in detail, the execution methods and reasons to execute your fellow human beings. So, I can't blame you for not being able to think for yourself when you've got such good advice like that.

  • RM24 May 7, 1:25 p.m.

    I think the issues with the RJC is that no one is arguing the prisoners guilty. But that they were only sentenced to death because of race. If there is no doubt in guilt, and these crimes do qualify for the death penalty, then they should be put to death reguardless of race. It just appears to give special treatment to criminals only because of race, because if I understand it all correctly guilt is not under question and these crimes are death penalty crimes.

  • RM24 May 7, 12:54 p.m.

    § 15A 2010. North Carolina Racial Justice Act. “No person shall be subject to or given a sentence of death or shall be executed pursuant to any judgment that was sought or obtained on the basis of race. (2009 464, s. 1.)”

    http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/ByArticle/Chapter_15A/Article_101.html
    hereandnow99

    I totally agree. And at no point should there be special treatment for any race. NO one should ever be found innoncent NOR guilty based on race.

  • wayneuber May 7, 11:48 a.m.

    The Racial Justice Act was never an honest attempt to address racial bias or reform capital punishment. It was always meant to be used as a means for persons representing death row inmates to play the race card from the bottom of the deck to avoid the punishment they deserve using flawed and irrelevant information from unrelated cases to stall executions. Racial bias was always a valid cause for appeal. The RJA is redundant and unneccessary.

  • TeenDad2electricboogaloo May 7, 11:47 a.m.

    Our shady courts and prosecutors cant even convict the right people and people want to kill them?

  • rcrdngcountry May 7, 11:29 a.m.

    NORTH CAROLINA IS A PITFUL STATE WHEN IT COMES TO JUSTICE FOR
    COLD BLOODED KILLERS. WE COULD USE A LITTLE TEXAS JUSTICE. WHY
    DO WE MAKE IT SO MUCH EASIER FOR KILLERS TO MURDER OUR PEOPLE.
    SOME OF OUR LEADERS SURE HAVE NO LEADERSHIP. WE NEED TO CHANGE
    THESE PEOPLE, WITH SOMEONE WITH BACKBONE, THAT WILL CARRY OUT A
    LITTLE JUSTICE.

  • 414tater May 7, 11:09 a.m.

    Why can't we be like Texas and put in An express lane to the death chamber? the problem now is that the death sentence is not enforced which does nothing to deter others from killing because they know they willbe allowed to live out their lives unlike the lives of those they took. Disabled Vet

    I totally agree. why even put them on Death Row if youre just gonna let them live there forvever. take them in and then take them out is my theory ot simply get rid of the death penalty

  • JustOneGodLessThanU May 7, 10:47 a.m.

    @karolina919, I agree, let’s not make decisions about people (including conviction & sentencing) based on skin color. In fact, that’s exactly what the Racial Justice Act is all about. So, why would anyone, who doesn’t hate other races, be against ensuring equal justice for all races in our court system?

    § 15A 2010. North Carolina Racial Justice Act.
    “No person shall be subject to or given a sentence of death or shall be executed pursuant to any judgment that was sought or obtained on the basis of race. (2009 464, s. 1.)”

    http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/ByArticle/Chapter_15A/Article_101.html

  • pappybigtuna1 May 7, 10:46 a.m.

    Civilized people don't execute the criminal - "WHY"
    I got an idea, there are some island off the coast (south), let take all the convicted and given the death sentence and place them on a single island. No guards, only patrol boats circling the island, provide a food drop weekly. And let them live out their lives.

    One last thing, NO REPORTERS ALLOWED NEAR THE ISLAND, let it be their tropical paridise

  • LikeABadPenny May 7, 10:44 a.m.

    "If the person is clearly guilty, then eliminate them."

    How about tose times when someone was "clearly guilty" except for the fact that they weren't? Also, please address the racial disparity in DP scentencing.

  • LikeABadPenny May 7, 10:42 a.m.

    "The solution is to simply outlaw the death penalty on the federal level. I see no reason for the state to sink to the level of the criminal."

    I disagree. The DP servers a purpose. Just not the one the RW nutters are going to use as jsutification.

  • LikeABadPenny May 7, 10:40 a.m.

    "I am amazed that the left -and far left find it acceptable to murder the unborn all the time,"

    Abortion isn't murder. Stop lyuing to people.

    "yet-when it comes to the death penalty, we can do that-it's not fair!!"

    Big ole lie here. There are many Liberals who approve of teh DP.

    "Are they a little confused?? No they are not a little confused-they are alot confused!!! "

    Actually, it would be you who is terminally confused. hate that for you. It's all the spinning you are forced to do to support your bizzare positions.

    Incocent children-the future of the world-are murdered every day by government supported agebcies like Planned Parenthood-the local abortion mill!! Yet, we have not executed a murderer since 2006. What is wrong with this picture??

    If a person is found guilty-without a shaddow of a doubt, the appeal process should be given 12 months, MAX, then bingo-done. Get real folks, liberals and their lawyers cronnies are just clogging the system.

  • LikeABadPenny May 7, 10:39 a.m.

    Well, if we had proven that we could properly manage a DP System then we wouldn't be in this mess. Unfortuantely we did the exact opposite.

  • JustOneGodLessThanU May 7, 10:37 a.m.

    The Death Penalty is not a deterrent.

    Fact: Death Penalty states had 4.9 murders per 100,000 people, while non-Death Penalty states only had 2.8 murders per 100,000 people.

    www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state

  • cwood3 May 7, 10:20 a.m.

    North Carolina has become another liberal northeastern state (which happens to be in the south) thanks to all the liberal folks who have migrated south over the years. HOWEVER, the tide may have turned in 2010. We will know more in 6 monthes.

    I am amazed that the left -and far left find it acceptable to murder the unborn all the time, yet-when it comes to the death penalty, we can do that-it's not fair!! Are they a little confused?? No they are not a little confused-they are alot confused!!!

    Incocent children-the future of the world-are murdered every day by government supported agebcies like Planned Parenthood-the local abortion mill!! Yet, we have not executed a murderer since 2006. What is wrong with this picture??

    If a person is found guilty-without a shaddow of a doubt, the appeal process should be given 12 months, MAX, then bingo-done.
    Get real folks, liberals and their lawyers cronnies are just clogging the system.

    Let's return NC to where it belongs-low taxes and

  • CONUNDRUM May 7, 10:05 a.m.

    The issue is the inequality of the sentencing between races. Stam is basically saying "so what" this White guy did the same crime as the Black guy, the White guy shouldn't get as harsh of a sentence as the Black guy. Stam isn't stupid (that's why he has the job) and knew this whole time that his office and the office of other DAs were using this racist tactic to continue give Blacks a harsher sentence when all of those convicted deserved the same sentence. He's upset because his choice NOT to change or remove the racist practice now has consequence. Don't be mad at those who made a law the enforce the LAW of equality. Be mad at those who were supposed to enforce it from beginning and chose not to.

  • less_govt_is_better_govt May 7, 10:01 a.m.

    Yes, the NC judicial system is the biggest joke since the coyote bought another rocket from the ACME company and expected it to work.

    "In the 1990s, district attorneys were required to pursue the death penalty in all first degree-murder cases with aggravating circumstances. But in 2001, the General Assembly gave prosecutors the discretion whether or not to seek the death penalty for such cases.

    "Once that happened, there was a dramatic drop off in the number of capital trials," said Wake County District Attorney Colon Willoughby, Jr"

    Anything quoted by the biggest crime lord in the state who covers for former felon ex-governors cannot be trusted. The reason in the drop off is people like you (corrupt D.A.s) turn a blind eye to police misconduct during investigations and try and make a plea deal you snake in the grass! You get your long time friends to take sheriff's positions (wink wink Donnie Harrison) and never prosecute police crimes, then civil lawsuits abound as is now!

  • Nancy May 7, 9:55 a.m.

    We don't have a death sentence, one that isn't used does not equate to a death sentence.

    It's moot.

    And with the RJA, it's now become a joke.

  • dehowell2 May 7, 9:54 a.m.

    All of these sleazeballs should be put to death after one appeal. 20 years on death row is a joke; all this is going to do is to increase vigilante justice sooner or later. The problem is that these criminals do not seem to go after the politicians and therefore no seems to care

  • karolina919 May 7, 9:27 a.m.

    The judicial system in NC is a JOKE!!! This state loves to slap criminals on the hand and basically say "ok, don't do that again!!" The problem is everyone has to complicate things. If there was a crime committed, no reasonable doubt that this person did it, then why in the world are they still alive?? The state is paying $80 a day to keep up a person who had NO remorse when they committed the crime. Go ahead and take care of the problem NOW!!

    And as far as the Racial Justice Act....can we for once not make everything about race? Who cares what color a person is; they still committed a crime and should be punished. This country is so worried about stepping on people’s toes. Like Rep Stam said, “why would it affect the sentence and not the verdict?"

    Maybe if this state would stop trying to take care of everyone and start making people accountable for their own actions, people would think about the consequences before they did something.

  • fayncmike May 7, 9:15 a.m.

    The solution is to simply outlaw the death penalty on the federal level. I see no reason for the state to sink to the level of the criminal.

  • conservativepatriot May 7, 9:05 a.m.

    North Carolina has become a liberal state The inmates here are protected by many of these liberal groups.Inmates no longer see prison as a deterrent inside they have everything they need three hot meals medical care and a bed. In other states the death penalty is a huge deterrent Criminals in Nc. do-not even flinch at committing terrible crimes as they know they will be well taken care of in Nc. if caught why should the tax payers have to continue to pay this enormous fee for keeping them in prison

  • NoHopeOrChange May 7, 9:02 a.m.

    Stam is correct. If there is racial bias, it should affect the verdict as well, not just the sentence. If they are guilty and there is ABSOLUTELY no guestion of their guilt, we the taxpayers should not have to pay for them to have 3 hots and cot for the rest of their lives.

    The inmates should have a set time limit to appeal their sentences and then they should be put to death. It doesn't matter what their home life was like or if they were on drugs when they committed the crime, they should be put to death, just like their victims were. The victims had no choice in living or dying, so the inmates should not either.

    If they have to be sentenced to life, it should be in complete lockdown other than for 1 hour of exercize a day. No TV, no radio, no nothing. The victims don't get to watch or listen to TV/radio, so why should the inmates.

  • valleyGirl May 7, 8:17 a.m.

    Since we are talking about serving justice, it is a balance between the victim and the culprit. Unfortunately the culprit is often the only living participant so their "rights" trump the victim, which is not the way it should be. If the person is clearly guilty, then eliminate them.

  • Disabled Vet May 7, 8:14 a.m.

    Why can't we be like Texas and put in An express lane to the death chamber? the problem now is that the death sentence is not enforced which does nothing to deter others from killing because they know they willbe allowed to live out their lives unlike the lives of those they took.

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