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  • superman May 3, 3:13 p.m.

    The school should not accept any new students for the next five years. No new schools for the next 5 years. Give them time to work out this new plan. You cant do much planning with new students being assigned or new schools being built. No more changes please.

  • ncteacher13 May 2, 6:02 p.m.

    So, what I have read on wake county website is that the teachers are getting a 1% raise of their supplementary pay, not their entire salary as this article leads you to believe. According to my paystub, I get $466 of local supplementary pay a month. Multiply that by 10 (10 month employee) and I make $4660 from local supplements. One percent of $4660 is $46.60.

    Before the pay freeze, almost 3 years ago, teachers (on average) made about $1000 more every year. Not counting our '1% raise' next year, we will have not received raises for the last four years. That means, on average, Wake county/NC has withheld $10,000 for every teacher that has worked there during those four years. (1st yr - $1000 + 2nd - $2000 + 3rd - $3000 + 4th - $4000 = $10,000). So, instead of my $10,000 and a readjustment of the payscale, they are giving me $46.60. Yippee!!!!

  • westernwake1 May 2, 5:50 p.m.

    "Hm, wonder how they justified the massive extra transportation costs for bussing kids to whatever school they want to attend? The new plan is ridiculously wasteful of our taxpayer dollars." - edith wharton

    The new school choice assignment plan allows Wake County to save over $10 million dollars each year in transportation costs. By creating regional assignment districts of schools, the average route is reduced in distance and time. This also enables 3 bus routes to be run each morning & afternoon by each bus. This new choice plan not only allows Wake to save on gas but is allowing the district to sell over 100 buses that are no longer needed.

    The average number of schools a neighborhood is bussed to is reduced under the choice plan. Under the old diversity plan children in my neighborhood were bussed to 8 different middle schools, under the choice plan this is reduced to 5.

  • bombayrunner May 2, 4:16 p.m.

    no one will complain, march, interrupt, ... they're democrats.

  • edith wharton May 2, 4:16 p.m.

    Hm, wonder how they justified the massive extra transportation costs for bussing kids to whatever school they want to attend? The new plan is ridiculously wasteful of our taxpayer dollars.

  • westernwake1 May 2, 4:01 p.m.

    "2) Constant reassignments were a real issue that the 2008 & earlier board did not address. Reassignments were driven by the huge increase of students and where new schools were built. The board did a bad job of explaining that." - babbleon

    What you are not stating is that the old Democratic school board stated very directly in a public meeting that the constant re-assignments were due to the diversity policy and not growth. Growth can be handled by assigning new neighborhoods to new schools permanently, and not switching the students to a different school every year.

    My children were forced to switch school nearly every year from K-12 under the diversity policy upheld by the old board in Wake. The diversity policy did NOT enhance or add value to education in any manner. Studies funded by Wake showed the policy did not improve outcomes.

    It was long overdue to eliminate Wake County's failed diversity policy.

  • injameswetrust2003 May 2, 3:04 p.m.

    "Still, he voted to approve it."

    I believe this is Mr. Hill's m.o. throughout his term as a board member.

  • babbleon May 2, 2:38 p.m.

    There was never a chance for the community based schools to come into play. What I find amusing is apparently lots of people forgot that there was zero guarantee of any child going to the nearest school under the old system. whatelseisnew

    Ok, let's get some facts straight:

    1) Under the 2008 (pre-Tedesco) board, > 85% of the assigned students went to a school w/in 5 miles of home; 98% went to a school within 10 miles. Bussing was never a real issue - it was made up by Art Pope & his cronies to play on racial fears.

    2) Constant reassignments were a real issue that the 2008 & earlier board did not address. Reassignments were driven by the huge increase of students and where new schools were built. The board did a bad job of explaining that.

    3) If we assign students to the closest school, many schools would be 100% or more OVER capacity, while others would be under 75% capacity.

    Keep these things in mind when you think about Wake Co schools, the budget and the new plan.

  • Jim Britt May 2, 2:19 p.m.

    If the name was changed from Wake County Public Schools to Wake County Armed Services, they would throw money at it.

  • me2you May 2, 2:18 p.m.

    I never knew sending your child to a public school could be so complicated.

  • bill0 May 2, 1:53 p.m.

    "Awakemom, you don't understand, that municipalities and the govt. agencies can't keep spending money like they do, something has to give, and taxpayers are the ones giving, and it is still not enough."

    Actually, taxation levels in the US are at historic lows for the modern era. We've typically paid a much higher percentage of our GDP in taxes. Of course, that fact isn't going to stop people from complaining about taxes being "too high".

  • bill0 May 2, 1:51 p.m.

    "you can do nothing and just stay where you are if you want to. so yeah it is kind of like a base school."

    Actually, no. That isn't a base system. That is just grandfathering in current students. Any child starting school next year has no base school and could be sent just about anywhere.

  • AWakeMom May 2, 1:45 p.m.

    I understand more than you realize. Let's name a few things that the 1.25 goes for. Heating and AC for 165 schools -- some of those year round, and don't forget the HR and M&O buildings that are also year round. Fuel and maintenance for the busses that everyone complains about. New construction (no one wants their child in a mobile unit.) and renovations (no one wants precious breathing bad air or be in a building that has asbestos). Notice we haven't even touched on the salaries of 300k+ employees yet. The grounds people (we need the grass cut), the bug people (we don't want fire ants on the play grounds). -- Lets talk supplies -- new technology needs to be integrated into the schools, or we as a society fall further behind. Then theres paper, pencils, books, erasers, crayons and glue sticks. NONE of it is cheap when you're taking the largest school system in the state. Be real folks.

  • outdoor592000 May 2, 12:56 p.m.

    Awakemom, you don't understand, that municipalities and the govt. agencies can't keep spending money like they do, something has to give, and taxpayers are the ones giving, and it is still not enough.

  • AWakeMom May 2, 12:21 p.m.

    outdoor592000 - Are you serious? You obviously don't understand business.

  • outdoor592000 May 2, 12:14 p.m.

    1.25 Billion dollars folks for teaching kids in Wake county. Where does all this money go? That is $8561.00 per student, based on 146,000 students.

  • ConservativeVoter May 2, 11:42 a.m.

    "Parents are unpleased with the "new" plan because it's the exact same plan as the "old" one. They just gave it a new name. I can't believe Wake County fell for the shiney new name given to an old solution. - AWakeMom"

    That's because the liberals and the NAACP would never let true neighborhood schools happen.

  • ConservativeVoter May 2, 11:41 a.m.

    The problems you have with Liberals is that they spend on their liberal agenda and then tell us we need a tax increase for the kids and the schools.

    Instead they should fund needs first and then wants. If they did this the schools would never be short of money.

  • wakemom May 2, 10:48 a.m.

    Well, maybe if you listened just once you would learn something. You are 100% wrong about how the assignment plan works. There are no more base schools. No student has an assignment until they apply for one and there is no assurance as to what that school will be. The republican majority promised "neighborhood" schools, but passed something incredibly different where EVERY student needs to apply for an assignment and NO student has a base school.
    bill0

    you can do nothing and just stay where you are if you want to. so yeah it is kind of like a base school.

  • whatelseisnew May 2, 10:46 a.m.

    "We need to spend this money before we ask (county commissioners) for more," said board member Debra Goldman."

    No what you need to do is maintain the reserve and cut your spending.

    "The republican majority promised "neighborhood" schools, but passed something incredibly different where EVERY student needs to apply for an assignment and NO student has a base school."

    That is because the ones that want to continue race based busing unlawfully interfered with meetings, brought law suits and on and on. There was never a chance for the community based schools to come into play. What I find amusing is apparently lots of people forgot that there was zero guarantee of any child going to the nearest school under the old system. Course the realtors that are complaining now, did not bother to explain that fact to potential buyers. The real solution is to get rid of traditional public schools and replace them, but too much money is up for grabs. We need vouchers.

  • AWakeMom May 2, 10:42 a.m.

    Parents are unpleased with the "new" plan because it's the exact same plan as the "old" one. They just gave it a new name. I can't believe Wake County fell for the shiney new name given to an old solution.

  • bill0 May 2, 10:27 a.m.

    "If I have to hear more people complaining about the assignment plan, I am going to go crazy. Everyone has a base school that they automatically get into. "

    Well, maybe if you listened just once you would learn something. You are 100% wrong about how the assignment plan works. There are no more base schools. No student has an assignment until they apply for one and there is no assurance as to what that school will be. The republican majority promised "neighborhood" schools, but passed something incredibly different where EVERY student needs to apply for an assignment and NO student has a base school.

  • superman May 2, 10:21 a.m.

    Mr. Tata thinks parents are pleased with the new plan. I suggest he provide proof by conducting a survey and then publishing the results. Same schools same students as last year. If parents didnt like some schools last year they are not going to like them this year. If no students are going to be reassigned in the future how are they going to assign the new students. Will students in southern Wake County be bused to northern Wake? This year parents had a choice but what are they going to call the program in the future? New residents will have to take what they can get. They wont have a choice and will have to take whatever is offered and available.

  • superman May 2, 10:15 a.m.

    We will not know if the new plan cuts transportation cost until we see proof. Spending their reserve is like using my savings and retirement money to pay for my cable tv, cell phone and house payment. You do realize that just because the board passes the budget that doesnt mean anything. It is up to the CC to fund and approve it. The state provides money for instruction supplies based on the first 20 days of enrollment. If parents dont like the amount available for supples--they are free to send money to the schools to supplement. The school budget is under strict approval and control by the CC throughout the entire school year. The school is required to submit a budget amendment to the CC whenever they spend money that is not in the budget or to move money within the budget. The current board has no conception of financial responsiblity. You remember the 3 million they wasted when they changed the location of a new high school.

  • ShastaDaisy May 2, 8:56 a.m.

    scotmac- There are no more base schools with the choice plan. Over 500 children were unassigned after the 1st choice round.

  • Daisygirlforever May 2, 8:04 a.m.

    How about that education lottery?

  • westernwake1 May 1, 7:58 p.m.

    "The new assignment plan costs all wake County taxpayers dearly for INCREASED transportation costs. How anyone can defend laying off teachers and aides and INCREASING transportation costs is beyond me." - edith wharton

    Your are wrong. The new assignment plan REDUCED transportation costs by 10 million. None of the school budgets in Wake including this one results in the laying off of teachers. Wake will be one of the few counties in NC this year giving teachers a 1% raise and other workers a $500 one time bonus.

    Good to see the Wake budget for this coming year passed.

  • rand321 May 1, 7:38 p.m.

    Wow...$6 million left in the rainy day fund. Lets hope that it does not rain on WCPSS!!!! they would be in for a big budget mess.

  • BANMD May 1, 6:39 p.m.

    Wake SUCKS big time!

  • wrx44 May 1, 5:52 p.m.

    People complaining forget how bad the previous Democratic school board was. Diversity and busing was their only objective. It was their holy grail, and people were fed up with it. You had no idea if you were going to be in the same school one year to the next. Good riddance!

  • bombayrunner May 1, 12:59 p.m.

    Note i did not say Black ,asian or hispanic origan I am talking about current citizenship NC schools are for those assigned here to work by the US goverment or work here and pay NC taxes
    sunshine1040

    Pretty vague, but one thing is true, Kids belong in school. Public school is just that 'public'. This means citizen or not, no matter what color or race ... they belong and will go to school. If we refuse to educate someone for some stupid reason, then a person is just left out -- is this really your value system?

  • bombayrunner May 1, 12:53 p.m.

    The assignment plan worked for us, but not some of our friends. The ones that can are moving out of the county (when you can't go to the school down the block why live there?).

  • wakemom May 1, 12:05 p.m.

    If you are African American then we do not pay for your education should be an Amerian citizen paying US taxes for free public education. If African then let Africa pay for your education
    sunshine1040

    do you know how crazy you sound? lol

  • sunshine1040 May 1, 11:57 a.m.

    Note i did not say Black ,asian or hispanic origan I am talking aboutcurrent citizenship
    NC schools are for those assigned here to work by the US goverment or work here and pay NC taxes

  • sunshine1040 May 1, 11:52 a.m.

    budget and assignment plan see school on map draw a square around it size based on population density that is where your child goes to school do not like it then pay for private school or move there are your three choices all you need

  • angelienna May 1, 11:03 a.m.

    scotmac - actually your base school that you 'automatically' can still greatly change your schedule i.e. change your track if you are year round. If you are moving schools i.e rising into middle school then you do not have the option for a base traditional school.

  • starletta May 1, 10:56 a.m.

    Can we PLEASE get over the whole racial issue? After all, it IS 2012! Let's just try and do what is best for ALL students. Today's children ARE the future for EVERYONE! Every time an article like this is posted I am saddened by the anger and hate.
    Remember: ANGER is just one letter short of DANGER

  • wakemom May 1, 10:46 a.m.

    scottmac says " If you are a lily white kid, your odds of getting into a charter or magnet school are slim. It is as simple as that."

    You do realize that most magnet schools are in predominantly black neighborhoods--right!!! and the African American students were being BUSSED to Cary and Apex so that the "lily white" students would have a seat in the magnet schools!!!! Obviously you haven't been paying attention!!!!
    2kidz1hub

    shhh no need to explain. this has been explained over and over and over again.

  • wakemom May 1, 10:40 a.m.

    The problem with this is the people need to be educated on what the selection criteria. They will never print it or state it because is has to do with demographics. If you are a lily white kid, your odds of getting into a charter or magnet school are slim. It is as simple as that. I have told friends they need to apply as an African-American. It is the State that has to prove that you are not. If scientists are correct and man did come from Africa first, then no one is lying. We can all be African-American and enjoy the benefits. If that is not acceptable, then the government has to declare it is all based on skin color and clearly identify tones.
    scottmac

    what in the HECK are you talking about???

  • 2kidz1hub May 1, 10:02 a.m.

    scottmac says " If you are a lily white kid, your odds of getting into a charter or magnet school are slim. It is as simple as that."

    You do realize that most magnet schools are in predominantly black neighborhoods--right!!! and the African American students were being BUSSED to Cary and Apex so that the "lily white" students would have a seat in the magnet schools!!!! Obviously you haven't been paying attention!!!!

  • edith wharton May 1, 9:55 a.m.

    The new assignment plan costs all wake County taxpayers dearly for INCREASED transportation costs. How anyone can defend laying off teachers and aides and INCREASING transportation costs is beyond me. My 3 children graduated (last one this year, thank goodness) from Wake County public schools. I had very few complaints about anything with the school system, but if my children were still in the schools we would have many complaints. I cannot understand why there was a need to change the system at all. If the vast majority of white kids cannot get into their first choice school, they may get a tiny taste of what non-white kids experience in every part of their lives. My white children were not discriminated against in any way, ever. We were passed over for magnet programs because we chose year round school and it's hard to switch programs midstream. Period.

  • scottmac May 1, 9:26 a.m.

    If I have to hear more people complaining about the assignment plan, I am going to go crazy. Everyone has a base school that they automatically get into. From there, you make choices of other schools you would rather attend if you are selected.

    The problem with this is the people need to be educated on what the selection criteria. They will never print it or state it because is has to do with demographics. If you are a lily white kid, your odds of getting into a charter or magnet school are slim. It is as simple as that. I have told friends they need to apply as an African-American. It is the State that has to prove that you are not. If scientists are correct and man did come from Africa first, then no one is lying. We can all be African-American and enjoy the benefits. If that is not acceptable, then the government has to declare it is all based on skin color and clearly identify tones.

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